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Chris Brodin's avatar

"But don’t mistake Trump’s and Noem’s stupidity for harmlessness." In fact this makes them more dangerous especially when combined with their evil souls. We need to get rid of them ASAP!

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docrhw Weil's avatar

This sort of thing also shows tremendous fear by the authorities. A confident tyrant does not worry about complaints. They believe in themselves and know their power base is secure, and if people grumble at least they have an outlet. A good example is Friedrich William I, an 18th century king of Prussia. One day when riding he saw a poster calling him a dictator and listing what he had done to deserve that title. He carefully read it and then ordered his soldiers to take this down...and put it closer to the ground where people on foot could easily see it too. Can you imagine anyone at the top levels of the Trump or Netanyahu administrations having that kind of self-confidence and humor?

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Steve Ruis's avatar

With regard to your question: "When Did Words become a Crime?" Thoughts being criminal goes back at least to the founding of Christianity. You didn't have to do anything to sin, just think about it.

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Rohn Kenyatta's avatar

Outgoddamnedstanding, Steve. Succinct, concise and accurate. Brutally so, in fact.

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Mick's avatar

Brutality is fierce, conflicted discrimination meant to cower the offender. We are seeing this now, done by ghosts with usually no ID, no affiliation. Sometimes, as w/Padlilla, a gracious man, the IDs are obvious, having ben part of the setup for the Black Widow's next dog murder. Individually, this is nerve shattering and cathartic. But without catharsis, most 'murkans feel little, if anything, so numbed have they become via digital illusions and addictions. As much as I would wish that no person, ever, anywhere, being subjected to menacing intimidation and harm, it is apparent that without these incidents, including the remorseless murders of two real persons in MN, and the wounding of another and the huge fallout to their families and friends, the catharses needed to become 'woke' to reality will end in the enslavement of 80 percent of the 'murkan population. Now we have witnessed, for 3 years, the horrors of Ukraine and Gaza. Some smoke, some noise, some defiance, followed by almost instant subjugation.

'murkans are largely numb, stressed out, dumbed down, drugged up, malnourished, deceived, deluded, intimidated, coerced, threatened, lied to 60/60/24/7/365. Tight enough for your whities? 5% of dedicated resistance will destroy this stupid, inept, nasty, infighting, jealous, whimpering cabal. But they have to FEEL IT, in their bones and nervous systems. We must, as citizens, take charge of protecting each other and those public servants, like judges and political servants, and appointed servants, with boots on the ground surrounding them. I have no power, no influence, no money, no agency. But I have these words. Cannot 300 million humans get some shit together to save their sorry asses, as a GROUP? Just sayin.'

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Rohn Kenyatta's avatar

'Tis odd that this excellent treatise by a man I deeply respect deals with verbotten verbiage. Because, you see, this geopolitical revolt (and that IS WHAT IT IS) boils down to the global majority having said "Basta" to white supremacy. Given that I have the rather mild intellect to decipher the obvious, your observation so diplomatically articulated is ironclad truth.

However being the cretin that is I, allow me break it down for the rest of us dullards: until the world's minority (the so-called "white" European) sees its children die, its cities bombed, police (as in police-y) gun down its citizens, its economy devastated it will continue to ride the tiger.

Problem with riding a tiger is that if you get off...it will eat you.

Dwell, ruminate, cogitate and contemplate so that you might, in the end, compensate as you will...one way or another.

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Mick's avatar

My southern French European heritage, with some Polish and Scandanavian thrown in, has a long memory. Killers and slaughtered, within generations of each other. Turmoil, fear, terror, confusion, desperation, laced with vignettes of peaceful times, some blessed comfort here and there, some gleaning awareness of better ways to do old behaviors. Kenyatta, I have heard your words for years with Thom, always prescient and calmingly raw. The mostly melanin-less ethnicity of 'murka has yet to catch up to what has been transpiring for centuries around them, and in their midst. Denial is a bastard son of fear. It salts old wounds, evincing paranoia in the cortex, and the drama-trauma of norepinephrine boils hot in the blood, waiting for its dopamine cleanse. I have luckily had chances to meet my personal tigers, plural, and find that they are the least desirable of transporting savagery. They only eat when hungry, a dignified behavior all know of. I have often said, to voices filled with chagrin or worse, that being white skinned is a curse waiting to be exorcized, a demon that need not be carried like a sack of old bones. I do feel, and experience, that many of my bloodline have discarded this sack, and wish to bury the bones with some sense of sorrow and remorse. Right now, would be as good a time as any, que no?

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Rohn Kenyatta's avatar

Tranqui, whether providence or certain reality; a distinction without a difference for Que, Sera, Sera. The reckoning is upon us, Hubris of the arrogant deludes them into delusion and illusion. Had I said to you, on September 10, 2001, that some M.F.'s were going to use your own jets against you as missiles you would have deemed me insane. There is far worse to come and, the cold part, is your government knows it.

The aforementioned notwithstanding, I like your style and mind (concurrence of opinion is highly irrelevant). However, even though I have subscribed to your newsletter, I am not receiving notices. Something you may wish to investigate. Nonetheless, keep maintaining your intellectual honesty.

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Mick's avatar

i will be brutally honest. The am. of 9/11 events brought me back to what my dad participated in during WW2 - the bombing of Dresden. Innocents targeted softly, as deranged leadership so often enjoy doing. The allegedly powerful seem powerless to avoid futile repetitions of failures constantly repeated throughout time. So, no, I would not have deemed you insane. As to my govt., I am a mere citizen, and therefore, in principle, can choose to accept or reject what that entity practices. Unless Ice now needs fresh meat for some new and improved reading of The Preamble. As to Substack, I am at a loss as to how to manage it. Now you have put a monkey on my back so i will have to get it together.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Some are. 18 U.S.C. § 2385 - Advocating Overthrow of Government:

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof--

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

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This section prohibits knowingly or willfully advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government by force or violence.

It also covers publishing or distributing materials that advocate such actions.

Furthermore, it prohibits organizing or being a member of any group that advocates the violent overthrow of the government.

Penalties for violations can include fines and imprisonment.

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William Farrar's avatar

Daniel: Per 18 U.S.C. § 2385 , we are all guilty, including protestors.

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Fran Bull's avatar

Apparently, one of the main goals of DOGE was the compilation of a database on every American. Some very busy souls have now compiled a database on everyone it seems, particularly those with any kind of a bully platform. Sadly, none of this is surprising in the context of authoritarian rule. What makes me sad is the image of an America debased, shabby, mediocre, unkempt, its citizens, to quote Goethe: troubled guests on a dark earth.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

This is deja vu. E.G. After John Lennon moved to New York City in 1971, his criticism of the war and his activism led to a three-year deportation attempt by the Nixon administration. He was involved in a continuous legal battle with immigration authorities and was denied permanent residency in the US until 1976.

During the Cold War era, which encompassed the Vietnam War period, the US government used the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (also known as the McCarran-Walter Act) to exclude foreigners based on their political beliefs and affiliations deemed a threat to national security. This policy allowed for the exclusion of individuals associated with Communist or totalitarian parties or those whose entry could have "potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences" for the United States. The law was used as a political tool to deny visas to individuals suspected of promoting communism or other "subversive" views.

Graham Greene, also a brit, who I researched as a character in "Pitching Cuba", was a prolific writer, who was probably a British agent, was labelled as a commie. Greene was, in fact, briefly a member of the Communist Party when he was 19 years old. However, he left the party after a few weeks. Despite this, he was barred from entering the United States in 1952 during the height of the Red Scare, classified as "inadmissible to US because of membership in the Communist party of England". He was subsequently removed from the country. Documents indicate that his writing clearly demonstrated anti-communist sentiments, but the ban was based on his past affiliation. The State Department eventually recommended a waiver for him based on his prominence as an internationally known writer.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Solomon, I was expelled from the University of Michigan for my political views and from Central Michigan University for the same reason. My house and I were placed on a watch list by one of the intelligence agencies of the U.S. Government. I do not know for sure which intelligence agency; but I would bet it was military intelligence. My activities were repeatedly reported on by a particular agent whose first name was Richard, who was from Point Pleasant, New Jersey. I Knew him as Rich. He was employed by the military.

After I eventually graduated with a BA from Wayne State University; a truly liberal schooI, I was able get on with my education and my subsequent career as a professor. I was fired from my faculty position for political reasons and only got my job back because of the herculean efforts of the Michigan Education Association which won a grievance for me. I was the only faculty member in the U.S. [at that time] to ever gain tenure by winning a grievance.

How did I learn about the reasons for my educational difficulties? The Freedom Of Information Act and help from whistle blowers, one of whom was a member of the Michigan State Police Intelligence Agency. The head of the Michigan State police was one of those who was trying to silence me.

There is more to this story. But, enough for now. It is my final word here that I never advocated for overthrow of the U.S. Government. Never! My opinions were enough to get me into trouble.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Wow.

When I was in Vietnam, my mother's close friend, a deacon in the Presbyterian church, wrote an anti war letter published by our local newspaper, and had a similar experience.

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Steven Schneider's avatar

“The right to say wise things necessarily implies the right to say foolish things. The answer to foolish speech is wise speech and not force. The Republic is founded upon the faith that if the American people are permitted freely to hear foolish and wise speech, a majority will choose the wise. If that faith is not justified the Republic is based on sand.” Lincoln

It is the role of the educational system to create individuals, well rounded, who are able to discern truth from B.S. It is not happening, and I fear, has not happened for decades. That alone makes me pessimistic that we can halt this abridgement of our basic rights. It's like a rotting pier holding up a dock.

We always chuckled at Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" Answer, "A Republic if you can keep it"

It is slipping away, and it is so astounding that the Republicans are willing to be a party to this overthrow of our basic rights.

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William Farrar's avatar

Free speech for me, but not for thee. And that has been the bete noire of the free speech movement, because it demands free speech for itself, but boycotts and cancels speech with which it disagrees.

On the other hand the 1st Amendment does not guarantee free speech or assembly, it simply says that congress shall make no law abridging the right, it places no restriction on any other person, party, company, organization, state, county, municipality.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

I've been advocating that groups that advocate murdering other people should be outlawed. In Deutschland both the Nazi and Communist parties are verboten.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Defamation, fighting words and hate are not protected by the 1st Amendment.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Actually, in general hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. If not, half of what Trump says would be a violation to say nothing of the right-wing blogosphere; much of theirs would be as well.

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Rhonda L. S. Ovist's avatar

As fine as our American ideals may be, we have yet to reliably recognize & dismiss the false charges by those whose desire for more power, more money or just plain meanness makes a semantics mockery of any intelligent analysis of the meaning & use of words.

Personally I’ve always more concerned with the vulnerability of an audience than with the words of the speaker. In other words, I agree that we must do a much better job in teaching media literacy (which, under the current police state, would itself be seen as dangerous and inappropriate).

I’m not afraid of hearing the words of people I disagree with, I’m worried the people who haven’t the knowledge and skills to assess speech based on its strength of evidence; the substitution of emotional appeals in the place of facts & logic; the various interests of those implicated by such speech, and the probability of it representing an accurate view of reality.

As a college professor, media literacy & the necessary critical thinking skills that go with it were part of every course; I can’t imagine teaching on any subject without it. I warned students that once they learned these skills, there was no unlearning them, and it would open up their world view in ways that both useful and annoying (sometimes I wish I could just take a break from being so aware of the bigger picture all the time; it requires some additional new strategies for peace of mind, if only temporarily)

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Ms. Ovist, your words caught my attention: "...the substitution of emotional appeals in the place of facts and logic...." It is exactly the emotional appeals which count most to the voting citizen. This is more important by far than facts and logic. Arlie Russell Hochschild examines this topic in a brilliant book STRANGERS IN THEIR OWN LAND. It was the best, most important book I had read in a decade. Her new book STOLEN PRIDE, Loss, Shame, And The Rise Of The Right is turning out to be as good. I just read the first chapter. She is perceptive and original. If you have not already read her. I recommend it. I must confess; I am a biased in your direction.

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Rhonda L. S. Ovist's avatar

Yes, I too am a fan of Arlie Hochschild’s work; she has always been able to present sociological analysis in such a readable , excellent manner, that one doesn’t even realize one is actively learning. Her work on Emotion work is excellent; she played an important role in creating public awareness that for some people, emotion work is considered an essential part of their job, often part of what we call “invisible labor” that is seldom recognized or valued enough to pay extra for.

It’s notable how important the use of emotion is in political propaganda. Effectively provoking emotional responses is a very important strategy for propaganda. The availability of so much interpersonal data via the internet has only increased the effectiveness of this strategy.

Part of a political messengers tool kit is knowledge of what issues are most likely to produce the more intense emotions of anger or fear, and how to channel those emotions into the type of response the messenger hopes to persuade their audience to take. We see the same use of emotions in marketing messaging.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Awareness isn't the toxin, powerlessness is (not that I perceive you as powerless).

Facts and logic, or what passes for them, are not the domain of one side or the other. The MAGAverse strongly believes they have the facts and it's "our" side that denies the truth as they perceive it. Nor do they believe we have the capacity to see the strength and clarity of their logic.

It isn't as if our sources of news, aka "facts", aren't biased — they are. Assuming facts are even present in the first place: increasingly our "news" (sorry for all the the quotation marks) is littler more than opinions and spectacle. At this point, unbiased news would have an all but impossible task of trying to find financing.

As For an accurate view of reality, whose reality? I'm pretty sure yours and mine are not totally identical.

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Rhonda L. S. Ovist's avatar

I didn’t mean to say that awareness is toxic - it’s just uncomfortable with so much ugliness, predatory behavior, deception and outright meanness in the world that’s visible when one can see beyond surface.

It’s not about everyone being the same or “seeing” the same thing. For me, the question isn’t just what people perceive to be real, but rather why they see things the way they do. The real issues are usually found there, in the cumulative life experience that make up a person’s standpoint and subsequent perspective of reality. What’s interesting is that once you get to this point of understanding, you begin to see that most folks have similar or shared interests - those related to a decent life (of course, we would likely find somewhat different interests amongst a minority of the people in the US who have managed to accumulate a increasingly disproportionate share of all income earned through the labor of the rest of us and believe that they need even more if it)

I don’t teach media literacy or critical thinking skills so everyone will have the same perspective. In fact, the better those skills, the less likely everyone will be perceiving the world the same way.

When I have a problem that needs solved, the last thing I want is a bunch of people who think exactly the same way. I need as wide a range of experience, perspectives, ideas & knowledge at the table and a group of people who can set aside ego and the idea that it’s more important to be the one whose idea is chosen to solve the problem than to find the best idea to solve the problem (will likely be a combination of some part of our collective contributions, adapted to the specifics of the problems context.

If everyone has exactly the same ideas, or worse, offer up the same ol same ol ideas promoted by their Various factions, few problems get solved. Worse, when instead of finding the best solutions, the individuals involved compete not for the best idea, but to push the idea favored by their faction because it serves their interests, not because it makes life better and protects the rights of the people.

No, give me the discomfort of seeing through the propaganda and misinformation, but with clearer thinking and a better chance of having something useful to offer working with others to find a way clear of impending disasters.

I have been working with this kind of problem solving/collective action for years and I have had very positive and exciting experiences doing so. Through it, I’ve worked on an alternative form of leadership - a more horizontal organization of responsibilities as opposed to power - that is, those chosen to lead aren’t there to boss people around or make decisions in their own but rather to facilitate a groups collective self-empowerment, with the goal of supporting each members full and free participation. It also involves a lot of emotion work, in that one must encourage members to channel their strong emotions towards proactive, collective efforts instead of allowing them to churn up into hate and ego.

I’ve also had he opportunity to try these ideas out in a local, grassroots, nonpartisan political campaign, focused on earning the trust and support of voters by working WITH them on problems/issues that matter to them. Ultimately, we succeeded in winning a long shot election against a Republican Party supported candidate who spent at four times the money we did, the only non-Republican to win in a very Republican county that year. And we did it without using attack ads, misinformation, or partisan support, yet had the largest turnout of voters ever to participate in our city’s elections. It was a small test of an alternative approach, but it gave me hope.

So yes, let’s make media literacy and critical thinking a core part of our educational curriculum - this is what the founders of this nation meant by Liberty of the Mind (see John Adams, 1765) a quality they felt was essential for protecting our Rights and our Liberty. Let’s brjng our various expertise, life experience, knowledge to the table to provide the fullest array of possibilities for solving our problems. It’s likely the only way we can break free from the trap of the same ol, same ol which seems to lead to a downward spiral, and the end of Liberty.

PS

I always get a kick out of the idea that as a college professor, that I’m somehow indoctrinating students; it’s all I can do to get students to do their reading and show up for class. It makes me wonder if the adults who claim people like me are indoctrinating their kids have actually spent any time with young people; I’ve never had the experience of a group of students who simply embrace every word/idea I present to them. Thank goodness.

Its the fact that they are learning critical thinking skills, and how to ask good questions, that makes the profession of teaching so fulfilling: I’ve lost count of how many times discussions with a classroom of students has led me to new ideas, new approaches, to my work. In fact, I have to give students credit for my current approach to leadership, community organizing and campaigning.

I’m not saying that the students (or even I) have all the answers; I’m saying that once students have begun to master the skills of higher levels of analysis and develop their knowledge of the discipline (in my case, Sociology), they bring their unique questions, observations and perceptions to the table, which taken together in a collective analysis, can sometimes lead me/us to unexpected ideas that have the potential of advancing our understanding of what goes on. At the very least, we may have new questions to be examined through (scientific) research.

The whole idea of typical teachers indoctrinating students presumes a rather negative view of our student body - one that ignores their unique perspectives, independence of thought, self-awareness and intelligence, never mind the myriad of interactions & experiences they’ve had when they begin a class. Our kids are not “empty buckets” waiting for adults to fill them up with knowledge. They are quite active, at times resistant, to whatever ideas adults are trying to impress upon them. Teaching would be a lot easier - and so boring - if that were true. I don’t want to ignore the possibility that some adults may have the means to have a disproportionate or problematic impact on students, but please, let’s not do so by Infantilizing students when examining the teacher/student relationship is not accurate, respectful nor helpful.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Actually, I said toxin which is a noun whereas toxic is an adjective. The latter describes a quality whereas a toxin is a substance (my apologies for being pedantic); There can be a volitional quality to toxin in that if you know what it is you have to choose to take it. Awareness doesn't require an emotional response but again offers a choice (hopefully): how you react to that awareness arises, at least in part to either a sense of personal power or of powerlessness. Yes, the world can be ugly and predatory but that ugliness is not immutable; you probably aren't going to make it go away but that doesn't mean you can't make the world a little more beautiful. Not everybody has the opportunity to effect positive change — I think/am haunted — by a photo of a young child, old enough to understand, that I saw. I can't alter his state — I believe that he is probably dead anyway — but I can support organizations that directly try to provide shelter and sustenance. I f realize this is probably Sisyphean but in the face of that ugliness that is how I choose to act.

There are inimical forces that strive to warp reality so that it is more in accord with their intent to further a viewpoint in order to seduce either an individual or a group; turn on the news and you see little else. At what point is consensual reality actually reality or is it ever — are they mutually exclusive?

I don't know that most people, other than on the surface, have shared interests because overarching political alignments, at least currently, force groups apart. of course they share a certain Maslovian commonality in that both (for the sake of argument) agree on the iower individual hierarchical levels, but as we move up from the basic physiological needs how we view them and act upon them begins to vary, sometimes wildly. A good example has to do with safety and security: we both desire it but how we go about procuring it are radically different. By the time we get to safety and security the divergence is extreme; it could be argued that the far right (and perhaps the far left) does not view parts of this level as necessary or desirable. The defining qualities are confidence, achievement, respect of others, the need to be a unique individual. Respect of others patently does not exist for them and an argument, perhaps overly harsh, can be made that they are more intent on being a part of a greater machine, part of a cult-like group where individuality is subsumed into the group gestalt.

I have tome on at this point, Rhonda. I have familial responsibilities and I have managed to vaporize this response twice. Luckily, after the first erasure when I had progressed sufficiently I copied my second effort, which is fortunate because shortly after I managed to make it disappear again. See you around.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

There was a decision to that effect, but if violence is implied like shouting fire....

Defamation is not cond=sidered as speech.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

AGREED

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Joan P. Jorgensen's avatar

I am in my 90's but remember the '50's too well. My great-uncle, a Scottish painter and sculpture of some renown, was denied entry to the United States for a lecture tour because he was a Socialist.

If this interference with free dialogue is allowed to stand, and I fear it will be, we will be just another autocracy. I have already told my grandchildren to leave the states.

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William Farrar's avatar

Joan, what do you mean WILL Be another autocracy. Are people self blinded? We are already there. Do you think that Noem's comments about tarring and feathering the governor of California could be made in a free country, a democracy?

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alis's avatar

First & Fourth Amendment be Damned---Hand It Over

When any citizen or foreigner tries to enter the United States, they must surrender their electronics for inspection. If you don't give them your password, they will likely just keep your device.

This means your email with the latest Hartmann Report could be a problem. Now is the time to think about leaving your computer and phone at home. I've seen articles advising use of "burner" phones.

We are so past "1984" territory with Palantir and license plate readers. Join the resistance. Speak the truth. But don't forget to take out the trash and wipe your search history if you are going anywhere!

Putin may not have been at the G7 in person, but I would bet he was listening-in over Trump's phone. I'll be exercising my free speech rights in the streets, and I can only HOPE Putin and his puppets are listening.

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William Farrar's avatar

People who can't burn their trash, such as moi, need to buy a shredder. I don't have a cell phone, but I do have a digital trail on substack (Robert Reich's and Thom Hartmann's) but I am 86 and 10 years past the average life expectancy.

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clay hipp's avatar

A friend from New England recently crossed into Canada and on her return was stopped and asked “how do feel about the president”. When she chose not to answer she was detained for 15 minutes before being allowed to go (to check her record and writings?)

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

In January, a man returning to the United States from Nicaragua landed at Miami International Airport, made it through customs and waited for his luggage at baggage claim. By the time he left the airport, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials had revoked his Global Entry status.

In April, a social-media travel-content creator was also detained at MIA for hours as officers looked through her social media accounts and asked about her father’s immigration status.

And just weeks ago, a Miami intensive-care nurse who travels to and from Cuba often said he was stopped by Customs to have his bags checked — along with everyone else on his flight.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article307367761.html#storylink=cpy

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Roy Shults's avatar

My ancestors fought in every war in which we have been involved from the French and Indian War to Vietnam. Probably more, as my extended family is large and not close. At 77 and ill, I can’t travel much beyond doctor’s offices and occasionally church. But if I did go again to Europe, as I did when younger, despite my family’s military tradition and very white make-up, I would be surprised if I were not detained and interrogated for hours, given my unremitting, years-long tirades against all things MAGAt, especially the felon in chief.

Since I can’t travel, guess all I can do to prepare is exercise those Second Amendment rights those folks so revere. It may be time for us who oppose them to show them that WE are the true “arsenal of democracy”. They sure as hell aren’t.

I hope it doesn’t come to that, because I think they want that. But if they try cancelling the elections next year with a fake emergency and martial law declaration, there may be no other option. Which will be our end, no matter the outcome. Never forget: WE DID THIS TO OURSELVES, THOSE WHO VOTED FOR IT, AND THOSE TOO PUT OFF OR TOO APATHETIC TO VOTE. Never, ever forget that.

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Terrance Ó Domhnaill's avatar

Any of us whoa re actively disparaging Trump and his government are probably on a watch list somewhere by now. It's only a matter of time before they move inward from the borders to the rest of the country. Speak now or lose the right later. This is were Americans are right now.

It's time to speak out while we still can, to call all of this out. If enough people take to the streets, as they did at the end of the Vietnam War, change can happen. Some people may get hurt or even die but liberty is not free. It has to be fought for over and over again in order to hang onto it.

This is another one of those times. We have to fight back for our liberties as granted in the constitution now, before Trump and company do away with the constitution altogether.

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William Farrar's avatar

Thy doth speak Truth. The time in which to stop a crime is in the planning and organizaing stages, in the early stages like now. Project 2025, and that is what is driving this, Russell Vought and his plutocrats and theocrats, are in the learning stage.

One must crawl before one walks, and crawlers fall off tables and bump into hard objects.

Mariners would say, that they are getting their sea legs. Testing the boundaries, what they can get away with, and it looks like they can get away with anything. Not just immigrants, but elected officials, you and I

Want to keep your job, your social security pension, your retirement pension, your military pension, then pledge fealty to Il Duce, Der Fuhrer, Dear Leader, Comrade Supreme Commander.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

I've been monitoring the reaction to Trump/Iran today in right wing circles.

Republican hawks vs Maga isolationists: the internal war that could decide Trump’s Iran response. - Andrew Roth. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/republican-hawks-vs-maga-isolationists-the-internal-war-that-could-decide-trumps-iran-response

Trump's Most Favorable Pollster Warns It Could Be 'All Over for MAGA'

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-pollster-warns-all-over-maga-iran-israel-2086637

MAGA supporters split on whether Trump should follow court rulings

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5353865-maga-supporters-split-on-whether-trump-should-follow-court-rulings/

Poll: Americans overwhelmingly want Trump to obey court rulings, but MAGA Republicans are split

Eight in 10 respondents believe the Trump administration shouldn't ignore a federal court ruling the White House doesn't like, per the new NBC News Decision Desk Poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/poll-americans-overwhelmingly-want-trump-obey-court-rulings-maga-repub-rcna212783

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William Farrar's avatar

I don't see any indications that Trump pays attention to public opinion. do you?

Trump and his handlers know that regardless of any internal conflict, like between those of the neo cons and the isolationists, that at the end of the day they will still vote MAGA, because for them the thought of a liberal government is intolerable. They have spent all of their energy and money, beating down the feminists, the queers, the blacks, the atheists, the Muslims, the Jews and what, throw it away over a trifle like war. (Sarcasm)

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Pays attention to bribes. Flattery.

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William Farrar's avatar

That;s a given, want something from Trump shower him with praises and shekels, he laps it up like a dog.

There are some who think Trump has been ccompromised (compromat is the word I think), could be, but if that were the case you would have sensed resentment. If someone is being blackmailed, they will have to go along, but they will be resentful, and it is quite obvious that Trump has an affection for Putin, though sometimes testy, but then that happens often between family members doesn't it.

One might have a MAGAt relative, but that doesn't mean that they will go to war with that relative.

I have to haul myself in, for it was customary that when a Sultan died, the son that heard of it first, would gather his troops, his Janissaries, and run through the palace killing all other sons. And If I am not mistaken, much the same thing happened in Europe and England, even sons deposing fathers. Brothers contra brthers, Richard cour de leon vs his brother John Lackland of Robin Hood fame.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Right (or rite) of primogeniture -- only the oldest son would take. All other sons sent into the world to seek their fortunes.

Appeared at G7 as Putin's agent. Takes credit for Israel's success in Iran... the entire story is bullshit. Never had a conversation about assassination. During his middle east trip, he took multiple tributes -- and sold out Israel by granting Syria a get out of war card, at a time when Israel was protecting the Druze. Did a "deal" with the Houthis, who immediately sent missiles into Israel. His vision for Gaza is another Trump resort.

Reverse Robin Hood. Robs from the poor -- takes all he can get.

My wife and I watch Persian (don't call them Iranian) TV. They are hoping that there will be an internal uprising to kick out the mullahs. There are competing versions -- one by the prince in exile.

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Docliz's avatar

People should really be getting wise to the genuine peril they face in travelling to the US, even white people who have never committed even a minor infraction, even people whose visa status is absolutely in order. Tourist-dependent areas plead for visitors but they will face further loss of their incomes. And resident American citizens, if they have ever voiced even mildly dissident opinions, would be better off getting out now. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/16/why-a-professor-of-fascism-left-the-us-the-lesson-of-1933-is-you-get-out

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Margaret Park's avatar

The only free speech allowed by this administration is by the right wing. They can preach hate all they want to. Our country is in deep trouble.

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Sophia Demas's avatar

This is beyond outrageous! It presents a very dicy dangerous moment. We all truly ARE in trouble. Who's next to be denied returning to this country, Bernie Sanders?

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Rohn Kenyatta's avatar

Certain words have ALWAYS been "thought crimes" in the "US." And no one knows this better than the Black Person in the United States, but let us, for the sake of objective debate, forget that specificity and make a more generalized observation.

Say anything negative about Israel.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

As if propagandized antisemites haven't committed murder -- against Jews and Blacks.

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Rohn Kenyatta's avatar

While you constantly troll me, tell me, given your commentary, how to you discern "Jews" and "Blacks" from the many Black Jews from Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana and Nigeria. How are they different from what you blanketly reference as "Jews?" How are they treated by the "real Jews" (let your ilk tell it)? I would guess similar to you "real Amerikans."

Thrill me, white boy.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Falasha. I identify with them. Same DNA.

You obviously hate Jews. All Jews.

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Reality Seeker's avatar

This is absolutely scary shit. Any determination of validity or legality of free speech can only be made the courts.

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