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Elizabeth Fenlon's avatar

They are both openly white supremacists, so this is fun for them. The devil lives in the US.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

The Devil. Note the capitalization.

What is the greatest sin? Blasphemy!

A new version of the first commandment has emerged over the past nine years: “Thou shalt have no other gods before Trump."

“I was saved by God to make America great again,” Trump said in his inaugural address at the Capitol in January. “It changed something in me,” he said in his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast at the Washington Hilton in February. “I feel even stronger.”

"I think he does believe he was saved to do great things as president,” Stephen Mansfield, the author of the 2018 book Choosing Donald Trump.

Yesterday, I've Had It compared the MAGA Mike cultists with Hamas. https://www.youtube.com/@ivehaditpodcast

They want to kill infidels who will not convert. They want to kill homosexuals. They want women to be submissive.

Where are the fire and brimstone preachers who call this out?

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Elizabeth Fenlon's avatar

You are exactly right! He’s out of control with unlawful power and the masses aren’t saying anything, the churches aren’t saying anything, and the media is not saying anything.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

It's the fire-and-brimstone preachers who espouse this every Sunday from the all-too-bloody pulpit.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

The guilty need to repent.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Solomon, unfortunately those "fire and brimstone preachers" approve of Trump.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

I am not a Christian but the founder of their cult had been a tax collector who was on the road to Damascus when....SHAZZAM.

Sinners may need an epiphany.

True believers should pray for them.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

An Eric Hoffer true believer or a kinder, gentler version?

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Porter's avatar

Daniel, glad to see you here and with such gusto and outrage. Good for you, brother!

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William Farrar's avatar

The real question is "Will we survive Trump?"

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Tom Halstead's avatar

MAGA: Make Apartheid Great Again. We have become a cruel, foolish, selfish, disgusting pariah of a nation, supporters of genocide, dictators and the morbidly wealthy.

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Porter's avatar

But Big Brother loves his ultra-right-wing white supremacist Afrikaners.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Do those 300,000 dead victims have families that can bring wrongful death suits?

Where is the balance sheet?

Heather Cox Richardson - "The acknowledgement in the New York Times that billionaire Elon Musk frequently used drugs during the 2024 campaign was only one weak spot in the administration.

"Musk had fought with other administration officials, leading to rumors about the black eye he was sporting in Friday’s press conference. Recently, he had spoken out against the Republicans’ omnibus bill, and after reports that his Department of Government Efficiency had actually cost the government money, President Donald J. Trump reportedly asked his aides, “Was it all bullsh*t?”"

It probably was. What does GAO say?

It looks like Musk committed virtually every tort. Aside from DOGE, Trump removed 19 IGs who were investigating Musk Companies. WAPO 2/25 says Musk and his businesses have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies and tax credits, often at critical moments.

As a contractor, he should have been baned from making political contributions. https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/federal-government-contractors/

According to CBS the bulk of Musk's 2024 spending to support Trump was through his own America PAC, to which he contributed $239 million. But filings also showed that Musk was also behind a political action committee using the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg's namesake — "RBG PAC" — in advertisements with misleading claims that Ginsburg held views on abortion that were similar to Trump's. WAPO said it was $288 million.

Today Google says Musk's net worth is $422.7 billion. However, today, at opening, Tesla is off 11%. He may not have enough to cover his litigation exposure.

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Porter's avatar

I read somewhere that it was 30,000 dead in Gaza, not 300,000, but the point is well-taken. Yes, a surprise attack caught Bibi's guys with their pants down and 1400 were killed with 250 taken as prisoners. Enough motivation for untargeted bombing of Gaza and making it a wasteland where no one can live or grow crops. How does this make sense?

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Not talking about Gaza. Thom mentioned Africans died due to Musk. Bill Gates accuses "the world’s richest man of killing the world’s poorest children” through misguided cuts to US African assistance.

As for Gaza, MSM and few anywhere note that the PA has been telling Hamas to leave or surrender and blame them for everything. Netanyahu will not acknowledge them, refuses to negotiate and is threatening them, too.

The other complicating factor is the support for Druze in Syria at a time when Trump turns them into an ally. He does not have unilateral capacity to make treaties -- needs the senate.

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Douglas Paul Truhlar's avatar

That money is on paper meaning it’s stock etc. the number is not cash he is worth what the market says at that time, without any gov assistance his bloated P/E is based on that, and he is on margin (barrowed monies) when the hot air is let out and it is happening now it will hurt him. It all been discussed by him and he said it was all damaging. When he gets a normal car company it will be at a realistic P/E the earnings (reality) will be realistic for a overpriced stock.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Lots more than just Tesla.

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Bob Blackburn's avatar

This message needs to be broadcast far and wide, certainly in this country but also around the world. Democrats in Washington should be screaming to high heaven in opposition, holding hearings and forcing Musk and Rubio to answer to this. Do they have PROOF that this mass extermination is NOT happening?

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Blackburn, the Dems in Washington are afraid of the MAGA movement. They are corporate-supported cowards.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

There you go again....

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Bob Blackburn's avatar

And the Republicans in Congress are afraid of Trump. In either case this is not how government should work it seems to me.

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Tomonthebeach's avatar

Sadly, the evidence is all too clear. Racism in America is alive and well. It has just taken different forms. Africa is on another planet as far as most Americans are concerned. It is a country full of uncivilized people who run around naked with big baskets on their heads and live in grass huts. That is not surprising given that our own history has treated Black people as subhuman slaves. Even after our civil war, America has continued to cloister Black Americans in ghettoes to keep them separate from people with white skin. Thus, it is no wonder that only people who truly live like New Testament Christians seem to care about the fate of people living on a continent that America used to exploit for free labor.

It seems odd to me that American politicians condescendingly call Americans who care about their fellow humans as "liberals" (libtard for short), while smugly referring to themselves as righteous "conservatives." Based upon the behavior of the two parties, better labels might be "loving" vs "hateful." I had never heard the term "hateful" used in a sentence until I was transferred to Oklahoma - the buckle of the evangelical Bible Belt.

While in the checkout line at the grocery store, I saw a father grab his tyke by his little shoulders, and while shaking the tot, he yelled, "Stop be'n so hayteful." All the kid was doing was what all groceries encourage - trying to get mommy or daddy to buy him a candy from the huge displays full of the stuff at every checkout station. At the time, I thought referring to a normal kid as hateful was quite ironic. As I look at MAGA world today, "hateful" seems to be their demeanor. Making America Great Again clearly means making America white and Old-Testament Christian again.

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Elizabeth Fenlon's avatar

So Musk’s real complaint is that USAID ruined his family’s good thing that it had going in apartheid South Africa. It’s always about the money. What an effing baby.

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alis's avatar

Overlap

These reasons you listed are all likely. Add to that mixture one Steven Miller to see that the Nazis have truly taken over. And just like the Nazis, they will continue to find new and more cruel ways to have their "fun".

Sadists feel some sort of release when they see this kind of suffering and death. They can't take their eyes off it; indeed Kristi Noem loves being there and is always dressed for the part.

Gates hit the talk shows and he keeps repeating those exact words. Thom and Company are doing the same---let's keep it going. These psychos must know we are coming for them and that they will not escape the consequences when they are no longer in office.

Get those signs ready for the 14th. See you in the streets.

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Sir Okie Doke's avatar

Musk? A notch below a crackhead, a K-head who does not know his ass from ice cream.

Rubio's a whore, who knows that cruelty is the point in the GOP. Moreover, prepping for a presidential run, he thinks he can White-wash (pun intended) his self-perceived ethnic/height deficits.

Trump has orchestrated the death-by-virus of 1,230,000 mostly White Americans, so if he could care about human beings [he cannot], Donald could not care less about those in sub-Saharan Africa. After all, Papa Freddie trained him to hate ! Hate !! HATE !!!

As Kurt V. wrote: "And so it goes.", reflecting the Tralfamadorian philosophy that time is non-linear and that death is just another moment in existence.

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Sophia Demas's avatar

I believe the answer is pretty simple. USAID was America's philanthropic arm to the world. Is it any surprise that trump and musk, the least philanthropic people on earth, would choose USAID as the first program to kill?

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Judith Green's avatar

The connection between USAID and the end of apartheid in South Africa explains a lot to me about Muskian viciousness. His drug use also accounts at least in part for his manic hyperactivity and total lack of judgment and social/cognitive restraints in destroying our government. Even if he's capable of feeling any remorse (Trump is not), the cognitive dissonance would be too great.

How Rubio became such a Nazi is perplexing. He sure drank the poison!

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Docliz's avatar

Older privileged white men, jacked up on drugs, intoxicated with power that they use to deny their mortality. Cruelty is part of the dynamic and becomes an enjoyable way to demonstrate that they are fundamentally different from the weak ones they torment.

They are wrong. In the end they share the same humanity. In the end.

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Ari Luntz's avatar

Don't overthink it. It is a win at every level for the king and his minions. They are racists to their core, fake Christian idols, and now Musk provides the oxygen to light the flames of action.

The king adores the American white supremacy clan (always has!) as they heap praise upon his throne. They act now with the speed of light to destroy America and kill millions worldwide. They accelerate social and economic chaos in hopes they live to see the world degrade into fiefdoms and serfs where the morbidly rich rule and carve up the remains before the Earth becomes inhabitable.

Thom is correct. We must engage at warp speed now!

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

In Trump's case logic has nothing to do with it. Based on his actions it is fair to say that he is devoid of the ability to think logically (consider tariffs). He holds intelligent people way more in contempt if they don't fawn over him, the subtext being that he holds everybody in contempt — gotta protect that fragile l'il ego... As for his vaunted super intelligence, one of his college profs stated 'Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had!' Perhaps he tempered his assessment. In the end, I think Trump allowed it to happen because he was pointed in that direction and pushed, but that he didn't consider (due to his narcissism, couldn't consider) the actual consequences of his actions.

Contrary to Trump, Musk knew exactly what he was doing, there was no way he didn't. He didn't take drugs to help him cope with his actions (I believe he was the primary pusher), which can only be called genocide: he doesn't care. Along with his underlying racism there was perhaps a certain degree of glee at the extinguishing of "superfluous" humans, taking out the trash as it were.

Mario... Perhaps I'm being overly kind but I think there is a degree of distress he feels but that his need for approval from a stronger male figure outweighs it.

As for surviving apartheid, why should racism now be a threat to our survival, considering that it has been happening for millennia? I don't know that we are hardwired to automatically distrust and hold animus toward the "other" but it certainly has been a useful tool to develop intragroup cohesiveness and aid in the amalgamation of power by unscrupulous want-to-be tyrants.

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Douglas Paul Truhlar's avatar

It’s in the family.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Which family: Trump's, Musk's, or humanity's?

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Chris Brodin's avatar

For far too many people money and power are diseases that can turn their brains into a vehicle for evil. My guess is that these individuals have a high level of insecurity and low level of self esteem. But even this amount of cruelty is beyond belief. The TMR trio needs to be brought to account, and soon.

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Carol A. Heasley's avatar

Right. Hitler's evil was only one part of creating the Nazi regime. Some were willing to advance their particular evil causes. Hitler needed them and let them take the decimation of the Jews to a level of cruelty he had not planned on.

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Carol A. Heasley's avatar

I received a like from a nurse, MaryPat, on this comment of mine, where she coded it at 2:39. This slander is an insult, as she doesn't even know me, only that she is collaborating with those who are nurses for a particular reason. I call it out for what it is.

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Patrick Beattie's avatar

Racism and white supremacy is at the core of their actions. Musk is likely getting his revenge. It’s easy to sell it to their blue collar cult as an unnecessary waste of their taxed income. Dictators have supported mass killings throughout history. This is who we are now.

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