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Robot Bender's avatar

There's a certain irony in RFK Jr. claiming to want to make America strong and healthy when he's a broken down heroin addict in terrible shape. He couldn't pass his own standards.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

We should hold Rep. Sen Cassidy responsible. -- in essence he made the call for the Seante.Cassidy, a doctor, was the swing vote on the Senate Finance Committee.

Now he wants to do oversight. But the deck is stacked. RFK Jr has diplaced the agency with anti-vax ideolueges.

"Cassidy needs to do more than oversight said Dr. Thomas Farley, the former top public health official in New York City and Philadelphia. “Cassidy now, I think, does bear some responsibility to stop (Kennedy) from causing more damage,” Farley said, arguing Kennedy needs to be fired.

Back in DC tomorrow.

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Robot Bender's avatar

No doubt about any of that.

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David's avatar

Robot,youn are right. When the name RFK Jr comes up,we should simply refer to hm as

Heroin Addict,adulterer and any other negative terms we can apply.As we now refer to Trump as a " Neo Nazi" we must find any and al degrading terms to apply to Kennedy.

Let's do the same to Stephen Miller.

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Chris Fox's avatar

A very scary time, for sure. Thank you for your clear-sighted take on what's happening in our beloved country.

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William Politt's avatar

It's not a neo-eugenics movement any more than swastika waving hoodlums are neo-Nazis. The neo- prefix is a weasel word and should be expunged in order to express the underlying reality.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Here in Baghad By the Sea, our governor and state legislature tried to make us the control group to combat COVID via survival by the fittest using "herd immunity". The result: more Republicans than Dems rejected vaccines and died as the control group.

Google: "Herd" COVID refers to the concept of herd immunity for COVID-19, where enough of a community is protected by vaccination or prior infection that the virus can't spread easily, safeguarding vulnerable individuals, such as those with allergies or compromised immune systems, who cannot be vaccinated. The goal is to reach this level of widespread protection, which reduces the overall risk of outbreaks and protects those who are not immune.

At one point, Desantis was accused of favoring one community over another, in a county where vaccinations have lagged behind the rest of the state, to create a control group. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/02/17/968714946/florida-governor-accused-of-playing-politics-with-covid-vaccine

DeSantis responded by threatening to take the state's vaccination distribution effort elsewhere. "If Manatee County doesn't like us doing this," DeSantis said, "then we are totally fine putting this in counties that want it. We're totally happy to do that."

During that period, being a Republican could be hazardous to one's health. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617

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shee-rah's avatar

There will never be herd immunity for Covid because the virus keeps mutating. Many people have had Covid multiple times.

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David Jordan's avatar

It does not mutate that fast or that uniformly. You clearly have no understanding of the process and should stop spreading lies.

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William Farrar's avatar

Correct, they are NAZI's, but when it comes to the eugenics movement, it fell into disrepute, but is now revitalized and thus new or neo.

Problem is eugenics is being propelled by the science of DNA. they have identified genes, strands on the DNA, that favor some characteristics, good and bad.

For instance they have found that a certain strand of DNA, a gene, that is inherited from BOTH parents, people whose ancestors survived the plaque though infected, protects them from AIDS, they have found genes that make one susceptible to breast cancer, ALS, MS and they have a tool CRISPR that can edit out those strands of DNA.And replace bad genes with good ones.

And soon they can prolong life, but only available to the wealthy, not to you and I, we must work, get used up and die.

And it is suggested that the bruises on Trumps hand are from infusions of blood from children because they have an abundance of human growth hormones. If they have to use his hands, and flebologists don't like to use hands because the veins in the hand roll and are hard to puncture, it is because they can't access the veins in his arms. Indicating that he has some health issues.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

You missed The Bell Curve: "In response to the controversial 1994 book The Bell Curve, the American Psychological Association (APA) formed a task-force of eleven experts, which issued a report "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns" in 1996.[60] Regarding group differences, the report reaffirmed the consensus that differences within groups are much wider than differences between groups, and that claims of ethnic differences in intelligence should be scrutinized carefully, as such claims had been used to justify racial discrimination. The report also acknowledged problems with the racial categories used, as these categories are neither consistently applied, nor homogeneous (see Race and ethnicity in the United States)."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

I spent many years trying and hearing discrimination cases, some described in my novel, Miami'90 .

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Solomon. The "Bell Curve" is one of the most misunderstood concepts among the slightly educated. If we as a nation spent more of our educational energies and priorities teaching simple mathematical concepts, there might not be such a mass misunderstanding, and these asinine discussions about "heredity," "instinct," and "genes" might fade into the intellectual background; where they belong.

When I taught inferential statistics for the behavioral sciences; I spent a great deal of my time and energy showing my students how the so called "Bell Curve" is an approximation to the binomial distribution. And as such it is imperative to understand the relationship between the area under the curve and the X [horizontal] axis.

The area under the curve bounded by the median and a vertical meridian located one standard deviation from the median is 34.13% of all the area under the curve. Move the meridian one more standard deviation away from the median and the area under the curve encompassed between the two meridians and the X axis, is 13.59%; and so on for those of us who know some math. This is the very definition of "mathematical normality." Because the "Bell Curve" is an approximation to the binomial distribution; a better name for it is the "normal" curve.

It was not exactly easy to get this across to my students. I attribute this difficulty to the inadequate job we Americans do while teaching math in K-12 schools. Once I was satisfied that my students understood the meaning of "mathematical normality", the class was ready to move on to the topic of the "null hypothesis" in empirical research. It was clear sailing from there.

If you have turned this subject into a novel; my hat is off to you. Where can I get a copy of it?

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David's avatar

Gerald,great post. I learned something new. Appreciate.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Sun and fun. Surf and turf. In Miami ’90 the turf is greyhound racing. The surf runs down the Intracoastal Waterway and out to sea... south to Cuba.

https://www.amazon.com/Miami-90-2Paths2-Murder-Novel-ebook/dp/B087HLWC4V

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Solomon. I just bought it. I can't wait to use it as an entertaining break from my academic reading. Thanks.

When I was in my middle years I took trips to Florida. Sometimes I would bring my wife, her mother or my son along. It was great fun and, while there I looked seriously into buying a cottage to retire into. Now I am glad I did not, as Florida seems to be in trouble because of weather, insurance, MAGA, De Santisism, etc. I am enjoying my final years, the best I can, on the Pacific coast. Most of the population out here seems to be distributed along the Interstate 5 freeway, and the political/cultural flavor suits me.

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William Farrar's avatar

Physiological differences are a fact, as are intellectual difference we are not all born with the same physics and capabilities, But that doesn't justify a political system that bestows favors on one group and penalizes or punishes another group.

The APA recognizes this from your comment:"he report also acknowledged problems with the racial categories used, as these categories are neither consistently applied, nor homogeneous "

If I recall correctly, you even mentioned something negative about the German mind.

We have a problem as a people,consider sports. Multi gold medal winner Michael Phelps has a biological advantage, height, when gives him an advantage swimming as one of his strokes is equal to 1 and 1/4 strokes of his competitors, thus he expends less energy and is slower to build up lactic acid.

You can extrapolate biological advantage across all sports. There are exceptions of course, Brian Hancock at 5'3" and Desiree Freier, who is described as "5-foot nothing" (presumably 5'0"), and both vaulted impressive heights for their stature. While height provides an advantage, exceptional speed, strength, and technique allow shorter athletes to be competitive, with some clearing over 19 feet.

Anyway genetics is problematic. Epigenetics has all of the ring of Lysenkoism

Inheritance of Acquired Characteristics: Lysenko's core idea was that traits acquired during an organism's lifetime could be passed down to offspring.

They have discovered, that the grandchildren of people who have starved as children, live longer than the average. Noticed in the Netherlands, whose inhabitants were starved during both world wars.

Drug companies and AHIP are interested in epigenetics, if you take the DNA test of 23andme (now bankrupt) you would have been pestered with irrelevant "health questions" like where was your father born, rural or urban?

Even familytreedna an ancestry.com have started asking "health questions" which they don't sell,but share with partners, partners being corporations that own shares or fund them.

The science of genetics is very helpful, it has beenused to develop medicines, but is also misused.

Science is neutral, it is man that misuses it. Britain became a world empire before France, because it founded the Royal Academy of Science in 1660, and produced things like ballistic tables for cannons. France didn't create their own French Academy of Sciences until 1666 by King Louis XIV,

Science is neutral it is man that uses science to oppress and kill other men, while also using it to help and improve man and his society.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Farrar. There is no doubt that innate, measurable physiological differences exist between individual human beings. Abdul Kareem Jabar and the Dinka Dunker are measurably different from Dr. Robert Reich. However, there is no evidence that inherent, innate mental capacities are measurably, significantly different. The mental difference between you and John von Neuman might be measurably different. But you were not born that way.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal......" Jefferson and Adams may have been referring to legal rights only. But Hamilton was not. He meant it literally. Hamilton was one of the small number of founders who were irrevocably opposed to slavery. A man way ahead of his time. Aaron Burr did the world a great disfavor. Who knows what Alexander Hamilton would have accomplished if he had lived into old age?

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William Farrar's avatar

But we are born that way Gerald, and denial is only fooling one self.

My favorite cousin, 1 remove, was born with Down's syndrome. A niece was born with Turner's syndrome, they both died in their 50's, but my niece as a GS-13, Systems Analyst. Kenneth was sweet and loving,Amy could be a hardcore martinet.

Look around you some people are born genius's some barely able to get by on their own.

Thing about Hamilton, he was a proponent of tariffs' and a unitary executive.

Not to say all tariff's are bad. The tariff's of Henry VII on raw exported wool and imported fine goods, kick started England's industrial rise. Henry killed Edward IV so he could steal a Kingdom that was the armpit of Europe, but with his tariff's he made it an economic powerhouse.

Take a look at the paintings of H7 compare to his son H8, H8 was so successful that he had to pass a Sumptuary Law forbidding commners to dress like the nobility. When H7 killed Edward, only the nobility had an education, if even then. By the time his son took the throne, they were graduating as lawyers, like Thomas Cromwell, who served as his privy advisor.

That doesn't mean tariff's are bad,it just means that Trump is an idiot, who knows jack shit

Anyway Alexander Hamilton is the hero of the Federalist Society, and they now have their unitary executive.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Farrar. Down's and Turner's are not only social/behavioral phenomena. They both have associated with them demonstrable lesions on the central nervous system. If I hit somebody on the head with my hammer; that will result in observable results in their social behavior, because of demonstrable lesions on their central nervous system. You apparently do not care about separating demonstrable biological facts from observable social phenomena. Thus, you are laboring under an unavoidable epistemological impasse. In other words: you will not make the leap of insight.

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Allen Hingston's avatar

"Inheritance of Acquired Characteristics: Lysenko's core idea was that traits acquired during an organism's lifetime could be passed down to offspring."

Offspring of Holocaust survivors show genetic changes. Study finds epigenetic changes in children of Holocaust survivors. https://www.research.va.gov/currents/1016-3.cfm

Holocaust Survivors and Their Children: A Search for Positive Effects

https://www.aaets.org/traumatic-stress-library/holocaust-survivors-and-their-children-a-search-for-positive-effects

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Hingston. Yehudi's research is deeply flawed. She does not show any epistemic correlation between "genes" and children's behavior. She engages in circular reasoning:

Children behave the way they do because they have a gene to do that.

How do we know they have that gene? Answer, they show that behavior.

She does not demonstrate the inheritance of acquired characteristics.

The exact opposite was demonstrated over a century ago by one of the two most important cultural anthropologists in American history; Franz Boas at Columbia. He did it by measuring the skulls of children. The study is famous. I do not propose to review the methods and findings of Boas here. But you can easily look it up in a good library, preferably a university library. The founder of American psychology, James McKeen Cattell supported boas, and, in fact brought him to Columbia from Clark, I believe, because of Boas's brilliance.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

"The parents were directly traumatized by their Holocaust and post-Holocaust experiences. The children were exposed not to the traumas themselves but to their parents' stories and their aftermath, including, among others, the message that the world is a dangerous place where the children must be on guard against threats, big and small."

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Allen Hingston's avatar

Thank you. I continue to learn

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Twin studies demonstrates a significant component of behavior derives from nurture.

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William Farrar's avatar

Wow, are they genetic or cultural? Looks like cultural. I don't see any mention of physical effects.

I get this from the first link:

"She and her colleagues showed for the first time in humans that epigenetic changes caused by exposure to trauma can be passed on to children born after the event—in this case Holocaust survivors and their adult children. Epigenetic processes alter the expression of a gene without producing changes in the DNA sequence and can be transmitted to the next generation."

Your second link talks about the survivors not their children

This is validating Lysenkoism and thus Lamarkism.

We have a lot to learn about epigentics, but the pharmaceutcal industry is already on top of it, and AHIP as well. Maybe in the future when applying for health and life insurance they will ask you about your father, mother and grandparents.

Yet the holocaust has traumatized an entire culture

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Farrar. Yehuda's findings are deeply flawed. You are correct in your supposition: "Looks like cultural," Please see my response to Mr. Hingston.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

You slandered me again.

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William Politt's avatar

The eugenecists of a century ago misused the best science of their time, and today's eugenecists misuse the best science of our time. It erases any distinction in my mind.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Politt. You are correct. In fact, the man who gave birth to inferential statistics, Francis Galton was a screaming racist and developed the mathematical method in an effort to prove his already accepted racism.

Galton was a wealthy British aristocrat and playboy who, in his youth, leisurely traveled the world in pampered luxury. Everywhere he went he saw Englishmen dominating other, largely, nonwhite human beings. When he returned to England he set about to develop a theory of human behavior which justified England's dominance. He did this by demonstrating the inherent inferiority of non-English people. The Brits were evil racists long before the german Nazis.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Some Brits, as did some Americans, as did _______________.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

My ol' pappy attended Geneva College in the 1920's, when eugenics was a required course. He hearned that our people were feebleminded, had criminal tendencies and couldnt possibly benefit from a liberal education.

Guess who was valedictorian?

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Let me guess: It was an Aryan. You know, blonde hair, blue eyes,, straight teeth. Preferably a heldentenor, ready to inseminate as many mädchens — all willing — who could be found. For the betterment of the race. Of course it was an Aryan! And Elon carries on that noble tradition, even though he isn't a blond.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Solomon. I love it!

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William Farrar's avatar

How are scientists misusing genetic science? I really want to know?

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

I don't think that when it comes to humans eugenics is no longer considered science.

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William Farrar's avatar

Eugnics: the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.

Genetics is the biological study of how inherited characteristics are passed from parents to offspring, encompassing genes, DNA, and chromosomes, which carry the instructions for development and function in living organisms. This field investigates the molecular basis of heredity, including how genes, segments of DNA, express themselves to produce proteins and influence traits and diseases. The application of genetics spans various areas, from understanding family health to advancements in medicine

Two different things.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

I firmly reject that what they are doing is science. I, without reservation, accept and support genetics, I really do know the difference.

Interesting that both Galton and Shockley made critical discoveries in other fields and yet were seduced by the vileness of eugenics. Indeed, without Shockley we wouldn't be typing away on the World Wide Web. Also interesting — at least for me — is that Galton did truly important work in statistics while Shockley used it to support racism.

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alis's avatar

Because it's Labor Day

Watching the Federal employees stand up to the TRump Regime should inspire every worker in this nation. Seeing their co-workers applaud them on the way out was very heartwarming. These agencies are supposed to protect us from disease, disasters, and prevent what opportunists do. Instead, the Psychopath in Chief has appointed a Killer Cabinet and incompetent officials to finish off anyone they choose. And, they didn't stop making money off it for even a minute.

This murder, corruption, and the abuse of our work force will be not go unpunished. The villains will be in the history books. We know who the REAL weaklings are---they are the ones who like to hurt instead of help. WORKERS OVER BILLIONAIRES! See you in the streets.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

I worked for DOL for about 20 years and every year, even after retirement was asked to celebrate the day by watching the parade from the roof of the Main Labor building.

Not this year. The Secretary has put Trump's face on the damn building. https://www.newsweek.com/department-labor-trump-portrait-2119185

This week we have another chance to ask some Congressional Republicans to stop this. Only need a few. Many Congressional Republicans privately admit Trump is crazy.

Brian Fitzpatrick is the prototype. https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/

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alis's avatar

Hope the Nazis are protecting that banner. Something just tells me they should if there are sandwich shops nearby.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

The best sandwich shop is inside the building.

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alis's avatar

We're old, but we're still funny, dang it! 🤣

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Humor is wasted on the young.

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shee-rah's avatar

Should be fun to see what creative folks do to those banners.

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Charles Wagner's avatar

They control the past. They control the present. They control the future.

They write the history books.

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alis's avatar

Not this time, Charles. The evidence is in the hands of literally millions of reporters. It will live on, but they will not. Times up.

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alis's avatar

Super article, thanks William. Knew some of the work they were doing. Now I understand the possible end game better.

Knew a lot about former AG Rosenblum because of our pipe-fight. She's so smart and dedicated---the real deal.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Her father, Vic, was one of my mentors. https://dailynorthwestern.com/2006/03/27/archive-manual/law-prof-won-legal-cases-students-admiration/

Ellen and I were officers of the ABA at one time.

Vic had been Chair of the ABA Administrarive and Regulatory Law section.

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alis's avatar

Quite the family. Shame that he didn't get to see her become our first female AG.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Thank you Mr. Farrar for this Armitage article. Interesting.

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Charles Wagner's avatar

I hope you are correct!

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Tomonthebeach's avatar

In my hundreds of chats with the rich and powerful, Ann Rand often comes up as a subtle validation of their self-made-man world view. They got money and power because they worked harder for it than all those losers out there. They often leave out, "Once I took over daddy's business," or"After grandma co-signed my start-up loan."

When you are more powerful than most people, it seems logical that you might start thinking you are, in a moral sense, better than everybody else, and thus, that you know better than everybody else. That is likely what spawns egomaniacs like Trump and his ilk. My close friends who are rich are humbled by their successes and know that their achievements depended on mentors and employees. Yet, it is difficult to walk three paces today without encountering people who validate the egotist stereotype of the wealthy.

I suspect that Trump keeps Wormbrain around because every day he tarnishes the democratic party progressivism of JFK, which delights the Heritage Foundation creeps. Besides, he thinks, "Who needs those out-of-shape loafer welfare queens, dopers, and street beggars?"

Emeritus Columbia U. Professor Bob Paxton, who wrote The Anatomy of Fascism, reminds us all that fascists do not want to GOVERN - they just want to RULE. In time, their empires implode as their governments disintegrate for lack of attention. Orban and Erdogan both have decaying economies, Putin and Maduro too. America's is already crumbling around the edges under Trump.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Great comment Tomonthebeach. But may I just add one thing? The annual GDP growth rate of Russia under the hated, evil, and feared Putin is greater than that of the U.S. It is a mistake to equate the qualities of the national leader with the economic metrics of the country. Russia under Putin may be suffering from many problems, but a bad economy is not one of them, since she helped form the BRICS. India's growth rate is more than twice the U.S. It is inevitable that China shall be number one, eventually. with India number two. While Russia and the U.S. will be competing for the number three spot. Frankly, I am glad I will not live long enough to see this.

Incidentally, I ordered Paxton's book. I am waiting for it in the mail.

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Tomonthebeach's avatar

GDPs are approximately $30.51 trillion for the USA, around $4.19 trillion for India, and roughly $2.02 trillion for Russia. I have not read any economic reports that the economy of RU is in anything but rough seas due in part sanctions. But neither country is in our league economically speaking..

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Yes Tomonthebeach, the U.S. economy is much larger than the Russian economy. However the U.S. economy is growing at 2.8% while the Russian economy is at 4.3% it will not take long for the Russians to catch up. The formula for calculating the size of the economy in the future is: the present economy [in this case 2.02] multiplied by e to the (in) power. where i is the rate of growth [in the Russian case 4.3] and n is the number of years into the future you are predicting, while e is a transcendental number [about 2.7]. If this continues and one were to graph the size of the economies over a number of years, the values reveal themselves to be exponential in growth with the Russian outgrowing the U.S. You can find a table with the values of e to the various powers, in a CRC Chemical Rubber Tables handbook. Of course, both the Russian and U.S. economies could change dynamically in the future. But I doubt that will happen to any great degree.

All of this can be calculated for the Indian economy as well, and it will reveal itself to outstrip the U.S. economy in far less time than it will take the Russian economy to catch up, because the Indian economy is growing at greater than twice the rate of the U.S. economy.

I regret that I cannot use a black board to properly display these mathematical figures. My computer does not allow me to do so, as I did for my students when I was still teaching.

One must also take into account the three most important and fundamental components in economics when attempting to measure these things:

1)raw materials

2)labor

3)markets

The population and available natural resources are extremely important in gauging these figures. India's population is about 1.4 billion. The U.S. is about 340 million. The Russian population is about 145 million. So one can see that the Indians have an overwhelming advantage in size of labor force. While the U.S. is ahead of the Russians in this component. The third component, natural resources, overwhelmingly favors the Russians, as it is huge. The largest country on earth, by far. The U.S. is about the fourth largest in area, just a pinch behind China and therefore has an advantage over India here.

When we come to consider markets. The Russian and Indians have a great advantage over the U.S., because the BRICS make up about 55% of the world's population and about 44% of its purchasing power.

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Tomonthebeach's avatar

At RU's growth rate, it will take over half a century just to get near the US GDP at is value today. You are comparing grapes with watermelons.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Tomonthebeach, I just checked the table of Naperian logarithms in my CRC manual. It will take about 3.5 years. Unless something fundamental changes in the area of raw material or markets. Please, remember we are talking about an exponential change in size.

Your analogy of grapes to watermelons is apt currently. But soon it will not apply very well.

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William Farrar's avatar

Based on behaviors alone. I am thinking that maybe Trump., RFK, the tech bros, Homan, Kristi Noem and the whole cabinet are actually aliens that are working to make this planet uinhabitable and to kill off humanity.

RFK alone will unleash pandemics that will kill tens, maybe hundreds of millions, he and Marco Rubio are in the process of deopulating Africa, for starters.

1996 I saw a sci fi movie, The Arrival, aliens who could assume human form that were warming the planet to make it habitable for it's species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film)

That isn't good enough they have to depopulate the earth of humans., and RFK Jr is doing his bit.Maybe that is why he has a gravelly voice.

I am only half tongue in cheek.

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Sophia Demas's avatar

Years ago I made a personal vow to not wish ill on anyone. However these warped examples of humans are making it hard for me not to break it....

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David's avatar

Sophia,have abandoned that idea a while back. Could anyone not wish ill to rump,Kennedy,Miller,Lutnick and others.

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William Farrar's avatar

There is a solid reason Sophia for not spending your time in hatred.

The mind body connection, it weakens the immune system if you are consumed with hatred.

I know a woman who hated her mother, she was consumed with that hate and it festered, She was pestered with a long series of illnesses, finally died of brain cancer at age 69, her sibling lived into their 80's. Her siblings were not obsessed with hatred of the mother.

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Eva Seifert's avatar

So how are POS, his family, Steven Miller, most of the Cabinet still alive? The Administration is filled with people living and breathing hatred every day. I agree that hatred is corrosive but all too often it badly affects the victims of that hatred and not the hater.

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William Farrar's avatar

Because they are psychopaths Eva, and psychopaths are wired differently, their deeds flood them with serotonin. They aren't acting out of hate, they are getting rewards.

Their base on the other hand act out of hate, and if you check statistics, MAGAts are very unhealthy.

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Sophia Demas's avatar

Actually, I'm letting karma deal with them....

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Sandra Greer's avatar

Anecdotes ain't data.

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William Farrar's avatar

If you want data, do your own research, don't have the resources? there is always google,

As regards anecdotes, we live and make decisions on the basis of anecdotes. Anecdotes, myths, heresay and don't say that you don't, you would be lying.

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Sandra Greer's avatar

Uh, no, I don't. All those are superstitions, like wearing a lucky baseball cap. There is plenty of data out there, but RFK Jr avoids it (maybe he thinks it is unlucky). Correlation isn't causation. And plenty of nasty people live to a ripe old age.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

There is now a Death Mark on you, William. The Reptilicans are slithering out of Mt Shasta as I type. You are toast. They just love toast.

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William Farrar's avatar

LOL. I'm 86 in remission from lung cancer, i hope, and have type 2 diabetes, so they better hurry if they want my skinny ass.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

Well, I don't have a skinny ass, for mine is muscular, and as of Saturday last, 80 as well. So's the rest of me. My skin has a lustrous golden sheen, just like that covering Trump's metacarpals. Oh, wait, that area was bruised by all the hand shaking. I guess it's the price of being so loved. Poor guy. Maybe Melania will kiss his boo boo and make everything okay.

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Mariana Kramer's avatar

Terrifying

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docrhw Weil's avatar

As Thom says, this administration seems to have gone back to the worst 19th century views of a dog-eat-dog world. But perhaps that is all we can expect from scientific illiterates who see the world as a terrifying place where one has to be “strong” in the worst possible way. It’s a bit like a man I knew, born in 1900, who though alcoholics had "weak characters" and deserved little or no help or sympathy. But perhaps that was a step up from the earlier belief that certain immigrant groups brought in diseases (such as associating cholera with the Irish), though linking COVID and Orientals shows how little progress has really been made.

We've had quite a fall since 1961 when JFK said in his inaugural address:

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." And followed that by,

"To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge--to convert our good words into good deeds--in a new alliance for progress--to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty."

May America rise again, and truly be strong in the only way that a nation can long survive. Cooperation at home and abroad is not weakness, it is strength.

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alis's avatar

Sure had good speech writers, but he did know how to pick them and deliver it.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Weil. Those words of Kennedy, a promise really, are what got him assassinated by the haters in Amerika.

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docrhw Weil's avatar

Oh gosh I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of what really happened, Gerald. Though a lone gunman still isn't out of the question. But you are right, he was hated by a lot of people for many reasons. I lived through the period--was just a kid but used to go over to the Carlyle Hotel and watch him come in and out (Truman walked through the neighborhood too) and there was real hope for a better future. In retrospect there were some real problems that were being covered up or ignored, and maybe people were more credulous then, but it just seemed to be a happier time. The only national candidate since who has reached out to everyone with a bit of hope that things would improve (not just hang on to what they have) was Obama, and he didn’t do much of that...until Trump figured out how to key into people who were desperate. But we know what his promises are worth. And he knows how to use the haters.

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gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Weil, in my humble opinion we must apply the age old ancient Roman saying: who benefits? Who benefits from Kennedy's death?

When a new law was proposed in the ancient Roman Republic Senate; the first question always asked was: who benefits. This is still the first question all good criminal investigators ask, to this day.

The more I learn about the pentagon and the DARPA [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency]; the more convinced I am that the pentagon and CIA assassinated Jack Kennedy and his brother Bobby and made a failed attempt on Teddy at Chappaquiddick. It was apparent that Kennedy intended to kiss and make up with many South American neighbors, especially Cuba. He said so publicly and was taking Spanish language lessons. When Jack Kennedy said "Ich bin ein Berliner" while he was in Deutschland; the Germans went nuts as they exploded in wild joy and love for JFK. He intended to repeat that performance in South American countries. I have no doubt he could have repeated that display in our neighboring countries to the South. He was a formidable performer and opponent.

In one of Barbara Tuchman's books she tells how Kennedy held a final briefing with his cabinet. But for some reason LBJ did not attend. At that meeting JFK said he had to stop the violence in Vietnam before it was too late. But he qualified that wish by saying he wanted to wait until he won re-election to a second term and was more certain of success in ending the violence. He also said he intended to destroy the CIA and scatter their parts to the wind. Somebody in that meeting betrayed JFK to the pentagon and CIA, and conspired to assassinate him. It could not have been LBJ, because he was not at that meeting. Somebody in that meeting also broke confidence and informed Barbara Tuchman. I do not remember which of Tuchman's books I found that info. in, because I have read all of her stuff. The last thing JFK said in that meeting was "We must make sure I am re-elected."

The conspirators knew that JFK would be impossible to defeat in his re-election as might his brothers, subsequently. The conspirators were afraid that the three Kennedy brothers would produce a twenty-four-consecutive-year period of pacifist policies. A dynasty of peace. The only way to stop them was to kill them all. The bastards got two of the brothers and effectively neutralized the depressed, despondent Teddy. Limiting his career to the senate.

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Oregon Larry's avatar

My amateur reading of paleontology tells me that empathy, caring, and group cooperation were the secret homo sapien sauces that made us the "fittest" surviving homo species.

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JP Connolly's avatar

RFK jr is no advertisement for healthy living. He looks dreadful. He's so ignorant it's painful to read. And his terrible ideas are going to kill an awful lot of people.

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shee-rah's avatar

And if he’s so concerned about the health of the American people, why doesn’t he start his crusade with the morbidly obese, barely-able-to-walk President?

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Charles Wagner's avatar

What horrible people are running the government.

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Eva Seifert's avatar

I suspect that if Bob Kennedy, the billionaires in the Cabinet, the Trump family, Elon, etc. were in a fast food place, a sweatshop, the nearest farm, etc. few of them would last a week. Pity COVID didn't take them instead of the people who worked hard for a living, raised caring families, and despite their lack of billions lead good lives. Ironic of Abbott to be there, given that he's in a wheelchair.

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Julie Lewis's avatar

As I watch in shock the (too many to name) horrors the current administration is unleashing on the American people and the world, I can only arrive the single conclusion, which is: they want people to die, only certain people. A friend, a longtime European living and working legally in the U.S., raising a family, paying taxes, etc. expressed her fear that if she publicly criticizes the administration she might be deported. I fear they will work their way up the tree, first picking off the low hanging fruit, and eventually getting the fruit that is harder to reach and pluck. This may well eventually mean deporting people like my friend (who is a fair-haired, white skinned Scandanavian) and eventually to native born Americans. Will we be forced into concentration camps where will many will die of neglect or worse, or will we be deported to Uganda and South Sudan? I listened to an obnoxious tech bro I had never heard of expound his enthusiasm for A.I. and how it will in relatively short order wipe out many jobs. Jobs are already gone. Never a comment about what we will do with these potentially millions of displaced workers who can no longer earn a wage and support themselves, not a concern to a man who is making millions, even billions from this effort. Where do these people go? How do they feed themselves and their families? This is only one piece of the picture that deliberately creates a huge underclass of "untouchables" that will feed the narrative that America is overrun with violent criminals who prey on the rest of us.

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Elizabeth Fenlon's avatar

Thank you, Professor Hartmann, for your stirring and factual rebuttal to the big guy and RFK’s bs agenda. Let’s put you in charge. We’d have a much better country than we have now.

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chev_chelios's avatar

this abominations father and uncle are spinning in their graves.

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Eva Seifert's avatar

The Kennedy family has been vocal about him. He doesn't care. His new family consists of scientific illiterates like him.

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Robert Herreshoff's avatar

America! Where any quack or buffoon can rise to the top! (As long as they are not women, African-Americans (I hope that's. not too WOKE), Hispanics, etc, or anybody else actually qualified for the job.

There is a bitter harvest ahead, one that will target the young and the old. The old folks (I think that's most of us who post here) won't be cause for much concern — after all, we're old: Old people die. However, when people's children start dying of diseases the parents themselves had never heard of because as children THEY HAD BEEN VACCINATED!!! (yes, I'm shouting), there will be a rage and a fury that will sweep across this land that will tirelessly seek out the evil perpetrators and punish them. At that time the MAGAverse will rest easy, knowing it was all Joe Biden's fault.

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