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Jacobs-Meadway Roberta's avatar

Nothing will bring down the Trump Administration before there is a Democratic majority in the House and in the Senate and even then nothing is certain since even if the House votes to impeach there have to be enough Republicans willing to vote to convict. If they did not have the balls after 1/6 to vote to convict, there is not a high expectation that the corruption and the bigotry and the economic batshit idiotic policies and the compliance with Putin’s wishes and the betrayal of our now former allies or gutting of the civil service and the disregard for due process and the First Amendment will suddenly matter enough.

William Farrar's avatar

The Trump regime knows full well, that a Democratic majority in Congress will end his regime, and for that reason he will use every tool at his disposal, including martial law to make sure that doesn't happen.

And if anyone has any memory at all, they will remember that he was not going to leave the White House in 2020, but lacking control of the militaryand paramilitary forces, he decided he had no choice.

Things are different now, he has full control of the paramilitary (in the government and civilian community) as well as in the Department of Defense, with lickspittle generals and officers and enlisted that have taken an oath to obey the orders of the president and officers appointed over them, as if they needed an oath, given that the majority come from "rebel" states and the bigoted and brainwwashed rural communities.

Stuyvesant Bearns's avatar

You under rate the integrity of our military. I served in the USMC for three years. I took an oath to defend the Constitution, not the sitting president. Remember, every person in the military is sworn NOT to obey illegal orders. That is a tough one in a close call as to what is illegaal. But Trump will command something that is illegal beyond doubt, and that is when the military will revolt against him.

William Farrar's avatar

I an a retired Regular,not reserve,officer a Mustang of 26 years service, most of it in Special ops,and no i don't under rate anything.

I am intimately familiar with the mentality and ethos of both enlisted and officer ranks.

And I don't pull punches because "i belonged" and that is the source of my identity.

The oath of enlistment is to obey the orders of the President and officers appointed over me.

And the oath of officers is to protect and defend the Constitution. and they are not doing their job, they are killing people without trial, civilians, on the high seas, they have engaged in murder of civilians, without a declaration of war.

Whiskey Pete and Trump, debased and harangued 800 of them in an auditorium at Quantico, and they sat there and took it like grade schoolers, even after Trump invited them to get up and leave if they didn't like what they heard.

Not one did, afterwards about five of them submitted their retirement papers when they saw that Trump and Whiskey Pete were committing crimes, but the only ones that have left since, have been fired by WP, the good ones, the ones that honored their oath would have left the auditorium that day, at least the ones that had any self respect or dignity.They stayed because they were either careerists or ideologically motivated. (Dominionism has made health inroads into the Service acadamies and places like VMI and the Citadel)

Your three years as a brainwashed gyrene doesn't stack up to my 26 years as enlisted and officer.

BTW my father, for whom I am named, retired a 2d Lt, 20 yeas, battlefield commission, validated by being commissioned after completing Platoon Leaders Class at Quantico in 1945, in preparation for the invasion of Japan.

He was the adjustant for the 1st AirNaval Gunfire Laison Company in the liberation of the Marshal and Marianna Islands. wounded at the Hwanchon Dam in 1950, recuperated and died of open heart surgery in 1982.

So quite familiar with the ethos and mentality of US Marines.

MaryPat's avatar

There's that (or, more correctly, those), sadly. So, vote for that Democratic majority.

Stuyvesant Bearns's avatar

It will not be outright removal that will gut trump's last two years.

Instead, he will be drowned by investigations and subpoenas fro the House. Moreover, since the House holds the money, Trump might find himself without the funds he needs to push his agenda. He is going to have a trainload full of trouble in his last two years. BRAVO!

William Farrar's avatar

Yesterday, on Global Gambit substack/podcast,I heard, for the first time, Robert Pape,he has his own substack/podcast.

I learned from him. This is what I learned. Regimesare not takendown by demonstrations or revolutions, they follow the implosion of regimes.

Regimes are taken down, internally, by it's own contradictions, by its failure, by discontent from within.

Qadaffi wasn't taken down by the Arab Spring or popular resistance, but because there was rot and discontent from within.. Regimes rely on a state police force like the VIVAK in Iran,GESTAPO, the KGB/FSB, and DHS/DOJ (ICE) to maintain power.

The Czarst regime of Nicholas II fell because of incompetence, corruption stupidity and internal conflicts among the nobility and courtiers, which created fertile ground for a popular uprising, co opted by the Bolsheviks, but it had already fallen apart

The same can be said of the French Revolution, many of the revolutionaries were themselves of the nobility. The Marquis de Lafayette of American revolution fame, was himself both nobility and revolutionary.

The American Revolution was not a revolution, because there was no regime change. it was a mixed war, a war of the government against it's own citizens, and the government had declared war on the citizens of the colonies by restricting commerce, enforcing a monopoly of the British East India Company, and by discriminatory taxation..

In other words treating the colonies and people like shit, as compared to those living in the rest of the empire. The people of India and other non English were not citizens of England,but subjects, servants, slaves without rights or consideration. The few English that lived there were overseers,not colonists.

docrhw Weil's avatar

And the same conditions for non-regime change were true in Latin America. A white, Spanish-speaking landowning nobility with close ties to Spain was replaced by exactly the same kind of people with closer ties to their home countries. Of course even when there is a regime change you still end up with a new group on top who enjoy having their perks and the cycle eventually repeats. (See China's history.)

And a lot of revolutions go through two stages--a milder initial shift and then a harder one when more radicalized people take over (and then get comfortable). Shay's and the Whiskey rebellions show the second phase that the U.S. missed, but France, Russia, Iran all went through that process.

I think the tipping point in a revolution comes when the troops and police won't fire on their own people. That is certainly what happened with the Duvalier regime in Haiti, and with the last czar and kaiser their armies and navies mutinied and went home. But a large part of that was due to the terrible and endless war they were both in. I really don't know what would happen if Trump tried to use large scale armed force against citizen protestors, it would be a terrible position to put the Guard and regular army forces into.

Stuyvesant Bearns's avatar

I lived in Canada for some years for parts of the year. Just do a superficial comparison of their healthcare system and ours, and you will be angry about ours. We chose insurance comapnie over the government to run ours? BAD CHOICE.

MaryPat's avatar

Looking forward to our Nuremburg trials. Although a good friend of my father's was stationed in the court for the Nazi's trials and said you never really recover from it.

Tom Halstead's avatar

Again: Democratic “pragmatism” is appeasing capitulation disguised as reasoned negotiation, reasoned politics. It avoids doing the right thing. It guarantees entrenchment of the status quo. It justifies leaving the old guard in place. It is an unjustified luxury we can no longer afford.