“The “Second Amendment” wink-and-nod-endorsing-violence politics isn’t new either; Sharron Angle campaigned on “Second Amendment remedies” in 2010 and Donald Trump suggested in 2016 that the “Second Amendment people” might have to step up to stop Hillary Clinton.”
~ Thom Hartmann
And don’t forget Trump INCITED, and Kirk SUPPORTED, the Jan. 6 INSURRECTION where Federal Officers were KILLED, MAMED, TORTURED and SPAT on with Trump’s permission. He sat in front of his TV and did NOTHING.
WHERE was this support for Rep. Horton after she was murdered by a Trump supporter? Did he go to HER funeral?
The hypocrisy could not have been better spotlighted. We've had to endure moment by moment reporting on the hunt for the shooter while the DOJ has the Epstein files with information on Epstein and other perpetrators but refuse to make them public in order to provide cover...not a thought about the victims....
Still working on the House. Need 1 more Republican vote to force every member to tak a position on the record.
With respect to Trump, the Mar a Lago spa is the site where, in 2000-2001, at least one victim, Virginia Giuffre, a minor at the time, worked. I keep askin' whether the police questioned her fellow workers at the time, the clients of the spa, her employer, etc.
Case prosecutor Marie Villafaña prepared a sex-trafficking indictment against Epstein in 2006 that was not filed. That indictment and the accompanying files should be subpoened.
State cops and the state's attorneys' office in Palm Beach also investigated. I get this stuff from the Miami Herald and Palm Beach Post.
Giuffre filed civil lawsuits or had actions involving defendants such as Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz. Her 2015 defamation suit against Ghislaine Maxwell was settled in 2017. A 2019 lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz also involved a countersuit from Dershowitz, but all of these cases were resolved through a global settlement in 2022. Her most significant civil case was against Prince Andrew, which was settled in February 2022. All of the discovery should be made available.
Epstein is dead, and all of his lawyers' files should be subpoenaed.
Daniel,agree 100%.Is the Kirk incident going to take all the attention away from the Epstein issue?Trump would love that ,as would Jamie Diamond and JP Morgan Chase,the best money launderers in the world.
Kash and other law enforcement are patting themselves on the backs because Tyler turned himself in. Bet they find out he's schizophrenic---no doubt his dad and the preacher are trying to save his life. Family is a bunch of gun enthusiasts. Introduced Tyler to guns early on. Mormons, father was law enforcement. That should spoil MAGA's story-line.
The survivors and the Epstein "book" will come roaring back. Truly believe it is making TRump sicker. Here comes JD.....
Turns out Tyler Robinson is NOT a Democrat -Reuters: "He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to voter records. He is listed as an “inactive” voter, which indicates he did not cast a ballot in last year's presidential election, when Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Kamala Harris."
Just saw that Tyler is a Groyper, extreme far-right Nazis that hate people who support Israel. Kirk was a staunch supporter.
There are documentaries on Groypers. There is also an excellent documentary on how that movement stole their frog symbol from cartoonist Matt Furie. It's called "Feels Good Man". You'd like it---he sues them.
Marlo, sorry about late response. Go to YouTube podcast called IHIP (I've Had It Podcast). The piece title is: IHIP News: MAGA SPIRALS INTO CHAOS. If you aren't watching these two ladies daily, you are missing out.
Big gun nut family, Mormons, dad in law enforcement. I'm guessing he has mental problems. Right age for schizophrenia. Tragedy on both sides. Bet dad and the preacher are trying to figure out how to save him from the death penalty.
Shameful, irresponsible President and his cult---sickening all their venom and lies. In other words, it's Friday.
Got this from another site: "He donated to Trump. I saw the receipt in Bluesky as a comment under a Meidas post. There are photos of him wearing Maga t shirt. Apparently he was a Nick Fuente follower who hated Charlie. They are eating their own."
Wait for the Big Beautiful Backlash closings and deaths---they will be munching even harder. Most popular phrase of the future will be "I didn't vote for THIS!".
Triangulate the push to have Canada, Greenland, all the way down to Venezuela with the crypto scam and with technology used to spy on us and control us and you will get M-U-S-K.
I keep begging people to go to WIKI and look up his grandfather: Joshua N. Haldeman. Follow the Technocracy and Technate of America links. It's all about resources, control, technology and it is exactly the game plan TRump is using from 1930's.
Jon, I'm so sorry for all of us that are paying the price. Getting fired is a huge trauma.
Thank you for expressing my sentiments better than I could ever had! And may I add, they instantly accused the "radical left" for the murder. It goes on and on....
I was at an Indivisible meeting yesterday. Folks there were centrists, Democrats, and Progressive Democrats. Centrists don't want to blame anyone, and frankly that is simply dishonest.
There were two young men there. This discussion was my exact point to them. Where and when the name-calling and violent rhetoric started is clear, and it was the PLAN. It worked and you and I watched the REPUBLICANS do it.
One of the guys thought it went back to the 70's and Nixon. The other said that he didn't get any info on it in the classroom. I let him know who published his textbooks. His reason for being there was touching. He wants to understand what he can do to help his LGBTQ+ and POC friends. His friends are scared and rightly so in our Red county.
Post this history, people. The truth is where we have to start. See you in the streets.
Curiously, American Pie played right after, Daniel. "Can music save your mortal soul?" "The courtroom was adjourned." "A generation lost in space." "The father, son, and the holy ghost---they caught the last train to the coast."
Dion says he was asked to take the fatal flight that killed Buddy, Richie Valens, Big Bopper. Says he was too cheap. Waylon Jennings was also on the same tour as a backup for Buddy.
Wiki: It has also been speculated that the song contains numerous references to post-World War II American political events, such as the assassination of John F. Kennedy (known casually as "Jack"), First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy ("his widowed bride"), and subsequent killing of his assassin (whose courtroom trial obviously ended as a result ["adjourned"]), the Cuban Missile Crisis ("Jack be nimble, Jack be quick"), the murders of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, and elements of culture such as sock hops ("kicking off shoes" to dance, preventing damage to the varnished floor), cruising with a pickup truck, the rise of the political protest song ("a voice that came from you and me"), drugs and the counterculture, the Manson Family and the Tate–LaBianca murders in the "summer swelter" of 1969 (the Beatles' song "Helter Skelter") and much more.
You reap what you sow. Charlie repeatedly argued that the random gun violence experienced every day in America was a worthy price to pay for an unrestricted right to bear arms.
Ya'll be careful. First they came for the immigrants, then....
The State Department yesterday said it would review the legal status of immigrants “praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Charlie Kirk’s shooting. Andrew Childers reports for Axios.
"The day after the fire, at Hitler's request, President Hindenburg signed the Reichstag Fire Decree into law by using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany, including habeas corpus, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the right of free association and public assembly, and the secrecy of the post and telephone.[19] These rights were not reinstated during Nazi reign. The decree was used by the Nazis to ban publications not considered friendly to the Nazi cause."
Well the right has a head start, red state by red state they are banning books, oppressing women, oppressing LGBT
Your thinking is like mine. The first thing I thought of when I heard about the shooting was "Horst Wessel." They have their martyr. I seriously think we're going to see mass shootings in the coming months targeting anyone not "sufficiently" right wing. Their calls about "war on liberals" and non-MAGA as we're deemed "domestic terrorists" is chilling. If you recall, back when Kash Patel was confirmed, he said that he was preparing for the biggest manhunt in history. There's only one thing that can mean.
We've been preparing for months because we anticipate things getting really bad. I've read my history over the years. We're in a deep red area, and I think we're going to see things we've not seen since the Civil War.
Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich while you still can.
I get so many reading suggestions these days. Then again we live in a world where there is so few critical reasoning skills and people don't seem to have a thought, until one is planted there.
What bothers me is how could Tyler Robinson inscribed (engraved) such lengthy messages on the casing of a 30.06. I don't think he could scratch his initials.
Something doesn't smell right.
Regardless Trump has his Horst Wessel, flags at half staff, the fascists are celebrating. Trump on Fox and Friends, announced his Jihad against the left.
The left being defined as anyone who isn't MAGA.Anyone who has a social conscience, anyone who can carry their own thought, anyone who has a functioning pre frontal cortex
I hesitate, for sounding tinfoil hat, but MKUltra does come to mind
The hit took a lot of planning, from 150=200 yards, and Kirk was in plain sight in relation to the shooter..
It wasn't spur of the moment, it was well planned and the shooter knew where Kirk would be standing. Then there is the matter of toting the rifle up to the roof, and instead of exiting the roof, he conveniently walked along the top and then hung and jumped.
Finally the question, how is it that he was filmed leaving the scene ? Where were the camera's and how is the camera was focused on that uninteresting location.
So, you can spread hate about women, minorities, the other party, conspiracy theories, but it is “protected free speech.” If somebody criticizes the things you have actually said or posted, THEY can be fired? It’s happened. But, if you are a teacher or professor teaching civics or factual U.S. history, you are “woke” or “indoctrinating” people…and be fired? So, only the left can “indoctrinate” by telling people the facts, history, the truth. But, the right can say or do anything they want and it’s “protected.” They can commit crimes and be convicted, but get “pardoned.” Right wing media (controlling about 90% of it) can lie, spread misinformation and conspiracy theories. If you are a Trumper, you can do no wrong. You get praise and honors. If you are a Dem, you get threats, diatribes, fired, cancelled, or like the Speaker of the Minnesota House, assassinated. Without thoughts, prayers, or national flags at half staff. No BOTH sides don’t do it. This is how we know we are in a right wing authoritarian regime, on our way to a dictatorship.
JFK was murdered when I was a sophomore. Just this year, some records from James Jesus Angleton were opened. Still waiting for the records from the Miami CIA office, Miami FBI. Still looking for the truth.
I was sent to Vietnam on my senior trip. After I was home, MLK, RFK. Cities on fire.
So ..Thom: "nobody in America should die for their politics."
Did Kirk want Congress to open ALL the Epstein files?
Both Sides Now was written by the brilliant Joni Mitchell but originally recorded by Judy Collins who first made it famous. Joni wrote this at the tender age of 21. This is the Joni version.
You know this, but it needs saying for the nth time.
The gop (deliberate lowercase) is not, that's N-O-T a political party. They are an F-Troop-type gang. [waaay too stupid/cowardly to be labelled a mob like, say, Capone's] This must be promulgated.
Ultimately, the gop should be abolished. Period. End of story. No reason to go on.
Great A+ piece, Mr Hartmann. I'd only add the Prez and Veep fanboying and getting wet over Penny who slow-choked and strangled dead a demented Black man on an NYC subway.
Oh, and may CK RIP in his segregated heaven. . . . Or hell, filled with fellow travellers..
Democrats readily accept the bogus burdens dumped on them by MAGATs. Without pushback, corporate media reinforces the gaslighting - MSNBC just fired Matthew Dowd for his honest, accurate observations about Charlie Kirk - while downplaying the incessant outrageous behavior of the mainstream right. We might want to consider a less self-destructive action plan.
Yes. Now the next step is to insist that the spineless Dems in Congress get on the TV, and stand up in the Congress Hall and declare there is no "both sides" in this matter.
Push them to tell it like it is... Since 2017 in Charlottesville we have seen a non stop run of right wing/fascist/racist violence against ordinary people.
Tell them to stop the B...s...t
Insist that they tell the news, TV, whomever they talk to: And that they point a finger at the GOP lackies, SCOTUS stooges and the MAGA monsters that whatever violence ensues from now, the cause is entirely with them.
Suggest they start by eliminating hooded and masked monsters from picking up innocent people off the streets. That is a good first step to having people calm down.
I have been writing to my reps since last night. They will just wring their hands and hide in a corner if they are not faced with our outrage at this "both sides" BS.
BTW the senate refused to order DOJ to produce the files. 51-49. Hawley and Paul voted with the Dems. Murkowski and Collins could have made the difference. IMHO they're scared shitless.
Schumer brought an amendment directing Bondi to release all Epstein-related files, but Republicans voted to table it.
"A cache of more than 16,000 emails from Jeffrey Epstein’s private Yahoo account paints a complex, and in many instances chilling portrait of a man whose enigmatic nature has only deepened since his death. The emails reveal Epstein’s unfiltered worries, odd sense of humor, and callousness toward the coterie of young women, many of them teenagers, who entered his world. The emails do the impossible: They bring Epstein back to life. Bloomberg's Ava Benny Morrison reports.
Names mentioned in Bloomberg's reporting
Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein's accomplice and a frequent contact in the emails.
Donald Trump: The emails contain references to Trump. In one email from 2006, Epstein instructed Maxwell to "remove trump" from a list she sent him.
Bill Clinton: Email exchanges indicate Maxwell met with "Clinton" multiple times between 2006 and 2008. Maxwell also used the Clinton Global Initiative to promote her ocean conservation nonprofit.
Peter Mandelson: The former British ambassador to the U.S. corresponded with Epstein in 2005 about arranging travel to his private island. Following the release of the emails, Mandelson was fired.
Jes Staley: Former Barclays CEO Jes Staley is mentioned in relation to a 2015 email exchange where Epstein attempted to use his connection with Staley for a potential business deal. Staley previously denied having a personal relationship with Epstein.
Jimmy Cayne: Former CEO of Bear Stearns, mentioned on a list alongside Trump and Staley in a 2006 email.
Ariane de Rothschild: CEO of Edmond de Rothschild Holding SA, was in contact with Epstein. An email from Epstein suggested a possible business arrangement involving Staley.
Doug Band: A former aide to Bill Clinton. He received gifts from Epstein, including a $35,000 watch.
Sergey Brin: The tech billionaire is mentioned in the emails.
Context for other names associated with Epstein
While the following names were not revealed in the recent Bloomberg email cache, they have been mentioned in other court documents and legal proceedings related to Epstein.
Prince Andrew: Associated with Epstein through Ghislaine Maxwell.
Alan Dershowitz: The Harvard law professor was named in lawsuits against Epstein.
Leslie Wexner: The billionaire founder of L Brands was a close associate of Epstein.
Glenn Dubin: A billionaire hedge fund manager whose wife, Eva Andersson-Dubin, was a witness in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial.
Jean-Luc Brunel: The former model scout was associated with Epstein.
This is the problem, too many people see politics through the lens of a sport. My team vs your team. Personality over principle.
stay in the game, prove your steadfastness, your loyalty, be patient,pay your dues, garner requisite experience (credentials) and then the DNC will lead you to the starting gate
That is why we lose and keep losing, no fire in the belly, a lack of authenticity.
It is not party vs party, it is a democratic republic vs tyranny.
We have been playing the same old game, while they have been playing by their rules, and look where we are. We need new blood, an invigorated party, like AOC, Mamdani, Murphy, Pritzker,. Out with the old, in with the new if we want to save our freedoms, the government we all knew is kaput, killed in 100 days.
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame the moment, stoking the fire. It is he and Kirk that traded in violent rhetoric. They monetized it like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us when a fire breaks out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring the gasoline on the fire. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
And the plan is to marry the grift to a Technocracy that goes all the way from Canada, Greenland down to Columbia and Venezuela. This is a movement from the 30's that Musk's grandfather belonged to. WIKI: Joshua N. Haldeman
Musk introduced them all to DOGE Coin, and now the whole damn Trump family is cashing in on crypto.
You are so right about this and the way you show the timelines of the GOP’s extreme politics and demonization of anything left of Pat Buchanan shows just how far they have gone. What is happening now didn’t just happen. It was been brewing since Rush Limbaugh began stirring his Hexenkessel of Hate in the 1980’s and became mainstream in the GOP with Buchanan and Gingrich. The “two-sides” idea is horseshit. It hasn’t been the Left weaponizing speech and inciting political violence, that is the Right which revels in hate, and it has become more frequent, extreme and violent since Trump hit the campaign trail in 2016.
Thank you for all that you do and please watch your six.
The underlying assumption here is that the public, i.e., we the people are simpleminded dunces whose thoughts, opinions, and beliefs can be easily molded and contorted by selected language and rhetoric. It shines a bright light on the real problem. That assumption happens now to be much more true than any of us in this space want to believe. The right is already screaming about a new report on education which reveals dismal facts and stats about the intellectual and academic achievement of students in our traditional schools. Unfortunately, the report reflects quite accurately on how poorly students perform on all measures of learning and knowledge acquisition. Blame must be assigned to where the actual fault lies, instead of on scapegoats, such as teachers, parents, or even lack of adequate funding. The fault is in a badly flawed paradigm based on the attempts to legislate and coerce education, rather than to discover what is needed and to provide it without strong-arm tactics and big brother or big father. There is an opportunity now to increase the vote in favor of democracy and Democrats by young people and young parents by moving rapidly to set children free from oppressive conditions, control, indoctrination by super-moralists from the right, and obsessive measurement and destructive scrutiny. The promise of authentic education to replace the charade which is now the authoritarian bureaucracy called public school would have instant appeal to the current and most recent victims of this defective paradigm. Or we can stick with faulty assumptions and myths and nostalgia about a golden age of schooling before Reagan. Leadership could make the difference.
Sophia,it is done.There will be no critical thinking for our kids and many others in the future.The father of AI Geoffrey Hinton has warned on several occassions including on 8/18 what the future of AI could look like. In June.apparently 27,000 job losses were a result of AI. CNBC comments about how many people will be replaced by AI.They view this as a good thing. There is no compassion for those who are displaced by AI,only an increase in the stock value of cos like Microsoft,Nvidia,Meta,AMD tech. I think we should fully understand that the purpose of AI is create a society where 40-50% of the population is unemployed,the tech billionaires sit back and talk about all the peons they have destroyed,how backing a " Neo Nazi" like Trump has eliminated all the guard rails for employed Americans. "Big Tech is Not your Friend"
Well, one of our daughters is homeschooling our grandsons using a secular, science based program. They have a pullout one a week to do things like gym and lab work. So there's some hope...
But how do you police that your grandson doesn't use AI to do his science homework? My husband asked AI what is the essence of one of my books and the response was incredibly relevant--I'm both amazed and terrified....
Agree. The techniques described in Thom’s report illustrate how the American public are and have been herded with rhetoric, sometimes overtly, sometimes subtly, but continuously in the media. These techniques are encouraging us to be more and more divided, hard hearted, and cynical.
Hope you are passing it on, Doctor Annor. I've been doing so on Facebook, and I sent it to my local Democratic Committee. As these young Dems take over, they have not been educated on this history.
"Here’s the hard truth that the bullshit-embracing “both sides” punditry won’t say out loud: calling for Democrats to “tone it down” has become a permission slip for Republicans to keep stoking hate, flirting with violence, and treating fellow Americans as enemies rather than opponents."
From my window to the world:
The GOP is a 1950's pissed-up three-martini lunch husband who beats his wife because she dares to say "stop hitting me".
I think if the shooter is depicted as a MAGAt, it could shut them up...and maybe for good.
Someone has to develop the documentation. Can't rely on MSM to report on it. I saw a Meidas program, but they don't have reporters interviewing Robinson's roommate, canvassing his acquaintences, lining up witnesses. There are several comments on Bluesky, but not authoritative.
According to Google, in mid-July 2025, after the Justice Department issued a memo stating no "incriminating 'client list'" was found, Kirk expressed frustration with the Trump administration's handling of the files. He urged the administration to act and pushed for greater transparency, reflecting the anger felt by many in the MAGA base who had long demanded the files' release.
Reversal after speaking with Trump
On July 14, 2025, Kirk received a phone call from Trump. The next day, on his podcast, Kirk declared he was "done talking about Epstein for the time being". This sudden reversal generated confusion and criticism among his followers, prompting his communications director to clarify that the "ball is in the administration's court" and Kirk was not entirely abandoning the issue.
Was there any discussion about the Epstein records on the day he was shot?
Unfortunately we are in a trump world, just like the Germans were in a Hitler world. He is going to keep pushing the envelope as far as he can, until he gets what he wants.....TOTAL DEVOTION OF THE PEOPLE.....Please someone tell me I'm wrong, I want to be wrong. But the way he's dismantled so many check balances in his favor, makes me scared he's going to declare himself president for life (on a side note he's not got many good years left anyway, which is a blessing) Will we be able to tear down the maga world after he's gone? I'm hoping and praying KARMA gets him , just like it got Kirk.
HYPOCRISY Once Again -
“The “Second Amendment” wink-and-nod-endorsing-violence politics isn’t new either; Sharron Angle campaigned on “Second Amendment remedies” in 2010 and Donald Trump suggested in 2016 that the “Second Amendment people” might have to step up to stop Hillary Clinton.”
~ Thom Hartmann
And don’t forget Trump INCITED, and Kirk SUPPORTED, the Jan. 6 INSURRECTION where Federal Officers were KILLED, MAMED, TORTURED and SPAT on with Trump’s permission. He sat in front of his TV and did NOTHING.
WHERE was this support for Rep. Horton after she was murdered by a Trump supporter? Did he go to HER funeral?
The hypocrisy could not have been better spotlighted. We've had to endure moment by moment reporting on the hunt for the shooter while the DOJ has the Epstein files with information on Epstein and other perpetrators but refuse to make them public in order to provide cover...not a thought about the victims....
Still working on the House. Need 1 more Republican vote to force every member to tak a position on the record.
With respect to Trump, the Mar a Lago spa is the site where, in 2000-2001, at least one victim, Virginia Giuffre, a minor at the time, worked. I keep askin' whether the police questioned her fellow workers at the time, the clients of the spa, her employer, etc.
Case prosecutor Marie Villafaña prepared a sex-trafficking indictment against Epstein in 2006 that was not filed. That indictment and the accompanying files should be subpoened.
State cops and the state's attorneys' office in Palm Beach also investigated. I get this stuff from the Miami Herald and Palm Beach Post.
Giuffre filed civil lawsuits or had actions involving defendants such as Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz. Her 2015 defamation suit against Ghislaine Maxwell was settled in 2017. A 2019 lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz also involved a countersuit from Dershowitz, but all of these cases were resolved through a global settlement in 2022. Her most significant civil case was against Prince Andrew, which was settled in February 2022. All of the discovery should be made available.
Epstein is dead, and all of his lawyers' files should be subpoenaed.
Daniel,agree 100%.Is the Kirk incident going to take all the attention away from the Epstein issue?Trump would love that ,as would Jamie Diamond and JP Morgan Chase,the best money launderers in the world.
No, the distraction is temporary--the interest in the files is too far and wide to go away....
I'm afraid that of the vote results in the demand to release the files, Trump will declare martial law in an attempt to prevent it.
Declare martial law on what grounds? That Mexican rapists and drug lords who have invaded our country are posing an emergency??
By whom?
Kash and other law enforcement are patting themselves on the backs because Tyler turned himself in. Bet they find out he's schizophrenic---no doubt his dad and the preacher are trying to save his life. Family is a bunch of gun enthusiasts. Introduced Tyler to guns early on. Mormons, father was law enforcement. That should spoil MAGA's story-line.
The survivors and the Epstein "book" will come roaring back. Truly believe it is making TRump sicker. Here comes JD.....
And Hartmann is right now reading a list of people getting fired for saying how they feel about Kirk and his vile politics.
Good thing Thom is self employed!
Turns out Tyler Robinson is NOT a Democrat -Reuters: "He was a registered voter but was not affiliated with a political party, according to voter records. He is listed as an “inactive” voter, which indicates he did not cast a ballot in last year's presidential election, when Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Kamala Harris."
Just saw that Tyler is a Groyper, extreme far-right Nazis that hate people who support Israel. Kirk was a staunch supporter.
There are documentaries on Groypers. There is also an excellent documentary on how that movement stole their frog symbol from cartoonist Matt Furie. It's called "Feels Good Man". You'd like it---he sues them.
If true, will MSM report it, will MAGA accept it?
Can you please supply the link?
Marlo, sorry about late response. Go to YouTube podcast called IHIP (I've Had It Podcast). The piece title is: IHIP News: MAGA SPIRALS INTO CHAOS. If you aren't watching these two ladies daily, you are missing out.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DrKQ1Y8-j2lE&ved=2ahUKEwjmgPSl5dSPAxVeI0QIHflIEu4QFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0C8iDPTmEc8MBVrbwY52lH
I'm still questioning this bit about engraved 30.06 ammo. One can barely scratch their initials on the casing, much less a sentence
His parents are Republicans.
Big gun nut family, Mormons, dad in law enforcement. I'm guessing he has mental problems. Right age for schizophrenia. Tragedy on both sides. Bet dad and the preacher are trying to figure out how to save him from the death penalty.
Shameful, irresponsible President and his cult---sickening all their venom and lies. In other words, it's Friday.
Got this from another site: "He donated to Trump. I saw the receipt in Bluesky as a comment under a Meidas post. There are photos of him wearing Maga t shirt. Apparently he was a Nick Fuente follower who hated Charlie. They are eating their own."
Wait for the Big Beautiful Backlash closings and deaths---they will be munching even harder. Most popular phrase of the future will be "I didn't vote for THIS!".
lot's of folks getting fired around here too..
so much for the free speech "absolutism" preached by scammers like musk. guess it only applies to them and other very special people.
Triangulate the push to have Canada, Greenland, all the way down to Venezuela with the crypto scam and with technology used to spy on us and control us and you will get M-U-S-K.
I keep begging people to go to WIKI and look up his grandfather: Joshua N. Haldeman. Follow the Technocracy and Technate of America links. It's all about resources, control, technology and it is exactly the game plan TRump is using from 1930's.
Jon, I'm so sorry for all of us that are paying the price. Getting fired is a huge trauma.
Thank you for expressing my sentiments better than I could ever had! And may I add, they instantly accused the "radical left" for the murder. It goes on and on....
Thank you for this through-line, Thom.
I was at an Indivisible meeting yesterday. Folks there were centrists, Democrats, and Progressive Democrats. Centrists don't want to blame anyone, and frankly that is simply dishonest.
There were two young men there. This discussion was my exact point to them. Where and when the name-calling and violent rhetoric started is clear, and it was the PLAN. It worked and you and I watched the REPUBLICANS do it.
One of the guys thought it went back to the 70's and Nixon. The other said that he didn't get any info on it in the classroom. I let him know who published his textbooks. His reason for being there was touching. He wants to understand what he can do to help his LGBTQ+ and POC friends. His friends are scared and rightly so in our Red county.
Post this history, people. The truth is where we have to start. See you in the streets.
Reprise: Dion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwn8hIyiHvI
Curiously, American Pie played right after, Daniel. "Can music save your mortal soul?" "The courtroom was adjourned." "A generation lost in space." "The father, son, and the holy ghost---they caught the last train to the coast."
Still works on so many levels.
Ah...
Dion says he was asked to take the fatal flight that killed Buddy, Richie Valens, Big Bopper. Says he was too cheap. Waylon Jennings was also on the same tour as a backup for Buddy.
Wiki: It has also been speculated that the song contains numerous references to post-World War II American political events, such as the assassination of John F. Kennedy (known casually as "Jack"), First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy ("his widowed bride"), and subsequent killing of his assassin (whose courtroom trial obviously ended as a result ["adjourned"]), the Cuban Missile Crisis ("Jack be nimble, Jack be quick"), the murders of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, and elements of culture such as sock hops ("kicking off shoes" to dance, preventing damage to the varnished floor), cruising with a pickup truck, the rise of the political protest song ("a voice that came from you and me"), drugs and the counterculture, the Manson Family and the Tate–LaBianca murders in the "summer swelter" of 1969 (the Beatles' song "Helter Skelter") and much more.
I've been taking courses in this stuff. OSHER.
The Chicago 7 trial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95kk6NVCo4 Abby Hoffman.
Another reference is to Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues. Dylan. 1965. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPzP4KjyFts
The Byrds. 8 Miles High.
Thank You, sadly, Daniel.
You reap what you sow. Charlie repeatedly argued that the random gun violence experienced every day in America was a worthy price to pay for an unrestricted right to bear arms.
Ya'll be careful. First they came for the immigrants, then....
The State Department yesterday said it would review the legal status of immigrants “praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Charlie Kirk’s shooting. Andrew Childers reports for Axios.
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-shooting-immigrants-state-department
The man was a hate monger, now he is a martyr. Trump's Horst Wessel, this was his Reichstag moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
"The day after the fire, at Hitler's request, President Hindenburg signed the Reichstag Fire Decree into law by using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany, including habeas corpus, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the right of free association and public assembly, and the secrecy of the post and telephone.[19] These rights were not reinstated during Nazi reign. The decree was used by the Nazis to ban publications not considered friendly to the Nazi cause."
Well the right has a head start, red state by red state they are banning books, oppressing women, oppressing LGBT
Your thinking is like mine. The first thing I thought of when I heard about the shooting was "Horst Wessel." They have their martyr. I seriously think we're going to see mass shootings in the coming months targeting anyone not "sufficiently" right wing. Their calls about "war on liberals" and non-MAGA as we're deemed "domestic terrorists" is chilling. If you recall, back when Kash Patel was confirmed, he said that he was preparing for the biggest manhunt in history. There's only one thing that can mean.
We've been preparing for months because we anticipate things getting really bad. I've read my history over the years. We're in a deep red area, and I think we're going to see things we've not seen since the Civil War.
Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich while you still can.
I don't have to read it. I've read it.
I get so many reading suggestions these days. Then again we live in a world where there is so few critical reasoning skills and people don't seem to have a thought, until one is planted there.
What bothers me is how could Tyler Robinson inscribed (engraved) such lengthy messages on the casing of a 30.06. I don't think he could scratch his initials.
Something doesn't smell right.
Regardless Trump has his Horst Wessel, flags at half staff, the fascists are celebrating. Trump on Fox and Friends, announced his Jihad against the left.
The left being defined as anyone who isn't MAGA.Anyone who has a social conscience, anyone who can carry their own thought, anyone who has a functioning pre frontal cortex
Some parts of the story don't sound right to me, either. We may never know the truth.
I go to the range once a week to practice. I may up that.
I hesitate, for sounding tinfoil hat, but MKUltra does come to mind
The hit took a lot of planning, from 150=200 yards, and Kirk was in plain sight in relation to the shooter..
It wasn't spur of the moment, it was well planned and the shooter knew where Kirk would be standing. Then there is the matter of toting the rifle up to the roof, and instead of exiting the roof, he conveniently walked along the top and then hung and jumped.
Finally the question, how is it that he was filmed leaving the scene ? Where were the camera's and how is the camera was focused on that uninteresting location.
Doesn't anyone ask questions?
So, you can spread hate about women, minorities, the other party, conspiracy theories, but it is “protected free speech.” If somebody criticizes the things you have actually said or posted, THEY can be fired? It’s happened. But, if you are a teacher or professor teaching civics or factual U.S. history, you are “woke” or “indoctrinating” people…and be fired? So, only the left can “indoctrinate” by telling people the facts, history, the truth. But, the right can say or do anything they want and it’s “protected.” They can commit crimes and be convicted, but get “pardoned.” Right wing media (controlling about 90% of it) can lie, spread misinformation and conspiracy theories. If you are a Trumper, you can do no wrong. You get praise and honors. If you are a Dem, you get threats, diatribes, fired, cancelled, or like the Speaker of the Minnesota House, assassinated. Without thoughts, prayers, or national flags at half staff. No BOTH sides don’t do it. This is how we know we are in a right wing authoritarian regime, on our way to a dictatorship.
Willkommen im größeren 4. Reich
Well said, Indie!
When I think of the 60's, this is the song I hear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXr2EFomFkU. Might be Judy Collins, but this is the original.
I've looked at life from both sides now
From win and lose and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all
JFK was murdered when I was a sophomore. Just this year, some records from James Jesus Angleton were opened. Still waiting for the records from the Miami CIA office, Miami FBI. Still looking for the truth.
I was sent to Vietnam on my senior trip. After I was home, MLK, RFK. Cities on fire.
So ..Thom: "nobody in America should die for their politics."
Did Kirk want Congress to open ALL the Epstein files?
Both Sides Now was written by the brilliant Joni Mitchell but originally recorded by Judy Collins who first made it famous. Joni wrote this at the tender age of 21. This is the Joni version.
Yes, he did. Very loudly.
You know this, but it needs saying for the nth time.
The gop (deliberate lowercase) is not, that's N-O-T a political party. They are an F-Troop-type gang. [waaay too stupid/cowardly to be labelled a mob like, say, Capone's] This must be promulgated.
Ultimately, the gop should be abolished. Period. End of story. No reason to go on.
Great A+ piece, Mr Hartmann. I'd only add the Prez and Veep fanboying and getting wet over Penny who slow-choked and strangled dead a demented Black man on an NYC subway.
Oh, and may CK RIP in his segregated heaven. . . . Or hell, filled with fellow travellers..
Democrats readily accept the bogus burdens dumped on them by MAGATs. Without pushback, corporate media reinforces the gaslighting - MSNBC just fired Matthew Dowd for his honest, accurate observations about Charlie Kirk - while downplaying the incessant outrageous behavior of the mainstream right. We might want to consider a less self-destructive action plan.
If you think MSNBC is the "left," you need to "re-orientate" your map.
I didn’t say MSNBC is the “left” - I said they’re corporate media. Psy ops.
MSNBC is corporate media. Morning show is center right, evening shows have left of center hosts, and very left of center guests.
Yes. Now the next step is to insist that the spineless Dems in Congress get on the TV, and stand up in the Congress Hall and declare there is no "both sides" in this matter.
Push them to tell it like it is... Since 2017 in Charlottesville we have seen a non stop run of right wing/fascist/racist violence against ordinary people.
Tell them to stop the B...s...t
Insist that they tell the news, TV, whomever they talk to: And that they point a finger at the GOP lackies, SCOTUS stooges and the MAGA monsters that whatever violence ensues from now, the cause is entirely with them.
Suggest they start by eliminating hooded and masked monsters from picking up innocent people off the streets. That is a good first step to having people calm down.
I have been writing to my reps since last night. They will just wring their hands and hide in a corner if they are not faced with our outrage at this "both sides" BS.
D.
As usual, you attack the wrong guys.
Attack Republicans.
you're right... How dare I ask them to do the job we voted for them to do... To clearly and fully represent our values.
In case you have not noticed... The "let's all work this out, together" approach has not been working very well... for, say, the last 40 years.
You apparently have no clue what they are doing.
Daniel,what are they doing?.I have noticed very little pushback from Dems with the exception of AOC, Chris Murphy,Bernie,Gavin Newsome.
Posted last night.
BTW the senate refused to order DOJ to produce the files. 51-49. Hawley and Paul voted with the Dems. Murkowski and Collins could have made the difference. IMHO they're scared shitless.
Schumer brought an amendment directing Bondi to release all Epstein-related files, but Republicans voted to table it.
Later, however, emails were released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbVWGXyhk6M.
"A cache of more than 16,000 emails from Jeffrey Epstein’s private Yahoo account paints a complex, and in many instances chilling portrait of a man whose enigmatic nature has only deepened since his death. The emails reveal Epstein’s unfiltered worries, odd sense of humor, and callousness toward the coterie of young women, many of them teenagers, who entered his world. The emails do the impossible: They bring Epstein back to life. Bloomberg's Ava Benny Morrison reports.
Names mentioned in Bloomberg's reporting
Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein's accomplice and a frequent contact in the emails.
Donald Trump: The emails contain references to Trump. In one email from 2006, Epstein instructed Maxwell to "remove trump" from a list she sent him.
Bill Clinton: Email exchanges indicate Maxwell met with "Clinton" multiple times between 2006 and 2008. Maxwell also used the Clinton Global Initiative to promote her ocean conservation nonprofit.
Peter Mandelson: The former British ambassador to the U.S. corresponded with Epstein in 2005 about arranging travel to his private island. Following the release of the emails, Mandelson was fired.
Jes Staley: Former Barclays CEO Jes Staley is mentioned in relation to a 2015 email exchange where Epstein attempted to use his connection with Staley for a potential business deal. Staley previously denied having a personal relationship with Epstein.
Jimmy Cayne: Former CEO of Bear Stearns, mentioned on a list alongside Trump and Staley in a 2006 email.
Ariane de Rothschild: CEO of Edmond de Rothschild Holding SA, was in contact with Epstein. An email from Epstein suggested a possible business arrangement involving Staley.
Doug Band: A former aide to Bill Clinton. He received gifts from Epstein, including a $35,000 watch.
Sergey Brin: The tech billionaire is mentioned in the emails.
Context for other names associated with Epstein
While the following names were not revealed in the recent Bloomberg email cache, they have been mentioned in other court documents and legal proceedings related to Epstein.
Prince Andrew: Associated with Epstein through Ghislaine Maxwell.
Alan Dershowitz: The Harvard law professor was named in lawsuits against Epstein.
Leslie Wexner: The billionaire founder of L Brands was a close associate of Epstein.
Glenn Dubin: A billionaire hedge fund manager whose wife, Eva Andersson-Dubin, was a witness in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial.
Jean-Luc Brunel: The former model scout was associated with Epstein.
This is the problem, too many people see politics through the lens of a sport. My team vs your team. Personality over principle.
stay in the game, prove your steadfastness, your loyalty, be patient,pay your dues, garner requisite experience (credentials) and then the DNC will lead you to the starting gate
That is why we lose and keep losing, no fire in the belly, a lack of authenticity.
It is not party vs party, it is a democratic republic vs tyranny.
We have been playing the same old game, while they have been playing by their rules, and look where we are. We need new blood, an invigorated party, like AOC, Mamdani, Murphy, Pritzker,. Out with the old, in with the new if we want to save our freedoms, the government we all knew is kaput, killed in 100 days.
Daniel,thanks for the update. Quite a list,are there other names yet to be revealed.Think Trump can escape his involvement.
Merkley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocaCc3ib0_0
Lacklustre, milquetoast Democrats need to have the fear of "god" put in them, just like the Republicans are terrified of their base.
Too many Mancins, Sinemas, Menendez in the party, do nothings that have dragged us down and led to Trump
We need fire breathing left wing populists, the only fear breathing populists are on the right.
None of the above are around.
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame the moment, stoking the fire. It is he and Kirk that traded in violent rhetoric. They monetized it like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us when a fire breaks out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring the gasoline on the fire. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
And the plan is to marry the grift to a Technocracy that goes all the way from Canada, Greenland down to Columbia and Venezuela. This is a movement from the 30's that Musk's grandfather belonged to. WIKI: Joshua N. Haldeman
Musk introduced them all to DOGE Coin, and now the whole damn Trump family is cashing in on crypto.
I think they want all of South America.
Thom,
You are so right about this and the way you show the timelines of the GOP’s extreme politics and demonization of anything left of Pat Buchanan shows just how far they have gone. What is happening now didn’t just happen. It was been brewing since Rush Limbaugh began stirring his Hexenkessel of Hate in the 1980’s and became mainstream in the GOP with Buchanan and Gingrich. The “two-sides” idea is horseshit. It hasn’t been the Left weaponizing speech and inciting political violence, that is the Right which revels in hate, and it has become more frequent, extreme and violent since Trump hit the campaign trail in 2016.
Thank you for all that you do and please watch your six.
Steve Dundas
The Germans have all the best words.
But... but... but what about Joe Biden's physical and mental decline?
I can tell I'm tired, because this made me laugh, William.
The underlying assumption here is that the public, i.e., we the people are simpleminded dunces whose thoughts, opinions, and beliefs can be easily molded and contorted by selected language and rhetoric. It shines a bright light on the real problem. That assumption happens now to be much more true than any of us in this space want to believe. The right is already screaming about a new report on education which reveals dismal facts and stats about the intellectual and academic achievement of students in our traditional schools. Unfortunately, the report reflects quite accurately on how poorly students perform on all measures of learning and knowledge acquisition. Blame must be assigned to where the actual fault lies, instead of on scapegoats, such as teachers, parents, or even lack of adequate funding. The fault is in a badly flawed paradigm based on the attempts to legislate and coerce education, rather than to discover what is needed and to provide it without strong-arm tactics and big brother or big father. There is an opportunity now to increase the vote in favor of democracy and Democrats by young people and young parents by moving rapidly to set children free from oppressive conditions, control, indoctrination by super-moralists from the right, and obsessive measurement and destructive scrutiny. The promise of authentic education to replace the charade which is now the authoritarian bureaucracy called public school would have instant appeal to the current and most recent victims of this defective paradigm. Or we can stick with faulty assumptions and myths and nostalgia about a golden age of schooling before Reagan. Leadership could make the difference.
I'm worried about what's going to happen to these kids' critical thinking development with the use of AI....
Sophia,it is done.There will be no critical thinking for our kids and many others in the future.The father of AI Geoffrey Hinton has warned on several occassions including on 8/18 what the future of AI could look like. In June.apparently 27,000 job losses were a result of AI. CNBC comments about how many people will be replaced by AI.They view this as a good thing. There is no compassion for those who are displaced by AI,only an increase in the stock value of cos like Microsoft,Nvidia,Meta,AMD tech. I think we should fully understand that the purpose of AI is create a society where 40-50% of the population is unemployed,the tech billionaires sit back and talk about all the peons they have destroyed,how backing a " Neo Nazi" like Trump has eliminated all the guard rails for employed Americans. "Big Tech is Not your Friend"
Ugh....
Well, one of our daughters is homeschooling our grandsons using a secular, science based program. They have a pullout one a week to do things like gym and lab work. So there's some hope...
But how do you police that your grandson doesn't use AI to do his science homework? My husband asked AI what is the essence of one of my books and the response was incredibly relevant--I'm both amazed and terrified....
OH...
This is a consequential report, Thom!
Agree. The techniques described in Thom’s report illustrate how the American public are and have been herded with rhetoric, sometimes overtly, sometimes subtly, but continuously in the media. These techniques are encouraging us to be more and more divided, hard hearted, and cynical.
Hope you are passing it on, Doctor Annor. I've been doing so on Facebook, and I sent it to my local Democratic Committee. As these young Dems take over, they have not been educated on this history.
This sums up the moment-
"Here’s the hard truth that the bullshit-embracing “both sides” punditry won’t say out loud: calling for Democrats to “tone it down” has become a permission slip for Republicans to keep stoking hate, flirting with violence, and treating fellow Americans as enemies rather than opponents."
From my window to the world:
The GOP is a 1950's pissed-up three-martini lunch husband who beats his wife because she dares to say "stop hitting me".
I think if the shooter is depicted as a MAGAt, it could shut them up...and maybe for good.
Someone has to develop the documentation. Can't rely on MSM to report on it. I saw a Meidas program, but they don't have reporters interviewing Robinson's roommate, canvassing his acquaintences, lining up witnesses. There are several comments on Bluesky, but not authoritative.
According to Google, in mid-July 2025, after the Justice Department issued a memo stating no "incriminating 'client list'" was found, Kirk expressed frustration with the Trump administration's handling of the files. He urged the administration to act and pushed for greater transparency, reflecting the anger felt by many in the MAGA base who had long demanded the files' release.
Reversal after speaking with Trump
On July 14, 2025, Kirk received a phone call from Trump. The next day, on his podcast, Kirk declared he was "done talking about Epstein for the time being". This sudden reversal generated confusion and criticism among his followers, prompting his communications director to clarify that the "ball is in the administration's court" and Kirk was not entirely abandoning the issue.
Was there any discussion about the Epstein records on the day he was shot?
Unfortunately we are in a trump world, just like the Germans were in a Hitler world. He is going to keep pushing the envelope as far as he can, until he gets what he wants.....TOTAL DEVOTION OF THE PEOPLE.....Please someone tell me I'm wrong, I want to be wrong. But the way he's dismantled so many check balances in his favor, makes me scared he's going to declare himself president for life (on a side note he's not got many good years left anyway, which is a blessing) Will we be able to tear down the maga world after he's gone? I'm hoping and praying KARMA gets him , just like it got Kirk.
Ms. Jeannine, I think MAGA and the Big Beautiful Backlash are going to dismantle it for us.
One can only hope!