There is one other ancient warning Trump is ignoring, and that is the warning against hubris, the overwhelming arrogance and pride that would anger Zeus and the other ancient deities.
Yes, and human nature hasn’t changed since Sophocles’ era. I recall Antigone from high school. She carries out her duty to offer honorable burial to her father Oedipus despite the death sentence she gets from her uncle Creon.
I doubt if human nature has changed in 50,000 years! There was an old “Dragnet” TV show where hippies steal supplies to build a commune and have a perfect society. The police are sympathetic to their aims but explain they’ll never achieve them because, “You don’t have perfect people”. So yes, those who claim they are creating a “new man” or going back to an ideal time ignore the reality of who we as a species are.
Oh yes, Trump has no honor, no loyalty to others or his country, deep values the Greeks and Romans--in fact most societies--held high. But to my mind the attack on Iran does have a close historical parallel, the Japanese one on Pearl Harbor. And even then Tokyo meant to deliver a declaration of war first, but its peace commissioners were slow typists. We don't have that excuse. Finally, regarding guests, read the July 20th "New Yorker" article, "Locked Away", if you can stomach it. Life within an ICE concentration camp in Texas. Whatever the arguments for deporting some people, it is a place of hellish sadism leavened with incompetence. And that seems to be the point.
"In the Jewish tradition this pairing became foundational to hachnasat orchim, the welcoming of guests, and it’s why later rabbinic thought treats Sodom’s real sin as cruelty to strangers." Perhaps, Sensei, given your considerable influence you might manifest this message to Nut-and-Yahoo as he intoxicates himself, and the nation of Israel, in the lustful throes of genocide and murderous racism.
All the systems of peaceful civilization rest on a fundamental trust; government and law, commerce, education and science, journalism--everything. Not to be fools--trust but verify--but nothing gets done without trusting and being trustworthy. Trump/Putin/Netanyahu have despoiled all of that, and so they provide no future but endless war.
Ours is a Manchurian tale of a gift within a gift.
"The Apprentice" was the Trojan Horse NBC gifted to a gullible America.
Donald was inside said gift, being himself a KleptocRAT, conman, Mafioso-like, anti-American Trojan Horse oozing out of the bowels/colon of the Kremlin's laboratories run by one Dr. Putinstein.
The monster is lethal, crazy, and altogether out of control.
#VOTE this inhumane abomination and his cultish, so-called party O-U-T
Wow! Thank you for this. As a kid I saw the movie 'Helen of Troy' (I think that was it) where the people in the Trojan Horse were the victors/good guys (ok I was a kid then so maybe it was my interpretation). Your version makes a lot more sense and gives a warning to trump (and to the people of the US) -- which trump will, of course, ignore, because he lives in LaLa land and understands nothing. But hopefully, the people of US will learn enough to elect a president w/brains and integrity and a moral code. And with his/her cabinet will work to gain back a reputation of not being a country of cruelty and idiots -- .
I plan on seeing the Odyssey this week. My feelings about all that is happening right now is the repeat of ancient times. We forget and then we are reminded!! So I'm hanging in here and knowing it will turn around. Maybe not in my lifetime (76) but it will turn around. The United States of America has lost its way temporally! Peace to all.
I take this opportunity to inform fellow readers that the genitive case for Zeus is Διός (Diós): also the son of Zeus. I also point out that the signet for Dionysos was IHS, Dionyos, the god of wine, whose trick was turning water into wine, means son of God. The Latin and Spanish word for God is Dios or Zeus.
IHS in Greek is Iota Eta Sigma, to which a male ending of "us" is added and you have Iesus, that there is no J in Latin, and the I at beginning of the word has a J sound, the Iulius became Julius and Iesus became Jesus, the translation from Latin to French is responsible for the J, replacing the I.
The cult of Rome has come up with it's own explanation for IHS, as it has for the Chi Rho, the Papal signet
In fact the Chi X superimposed over the Rho (P), was the signet of Astarte, a fierce warrior goddess, and in a brilliant display of psychological warfare, Constantine had the Chi Rho painted on his legions shield at the battle of the Milivan bridge, which demoralized the legion of Maxentius and set them to flight.
People of the Eastern Mediterranean seem to have shared a lot of the same stories, which explains why many stories of the Old Testament are so remindful to me of the stories of Greek mythology. I appreciate the depth of your knowledge of classical civilizations.
What we call western civilization, culture and politics have their origin in that region we now call Iran.Which itself was fertilized by influences from the Indus valley
Even the Abrahamic religions, arose from Zoroastrianism.. Genesis, the flood, all gleaned and borrowed from the library of Babylon, which contained the cylinder strolls and clay tablets of the Sumerians via their successors the Akkadians.
Then about the time of Rameses II, the Tigris and Euphrates met the culture of the Nile and from that. the cross fertilizaion,arose the Abrahamic udeologies
It would be great if the parallels here were drawn and made clear to all of the people who see the film as well as to those who do not have that opportunity. The great thing about the best dramas and their raison d' etre is that people often intuitively or unconsciously make the connections and get the message without having it articulated. This may have more effect and influence than we realize. We can only hope.
Our system of government has been grounded in an assumption of integrity, a handshake if you will, a belief that however we may disagree on policies our (noble?) selves will be driven by core shared belief in its ideals, and trust that integrity will ultimately prevail. Even Nixon stepped down when the time came, what ever his delusions. The countless betrayals of POSOTUS, his minions, the entire Repugnican Party, even the Supreme Court, have forever shattered any inclination to trust any of them again. They have shown us who they are.
Very provocative. Will definitely see the movie this weekend. We reep what we sow. A couple issues though. The European policy has been to accept migrants, and of course, business agrees because a workforce that will work for less is to their advantage, but the people of Europe seem to be rejecting that openness while the Left condemns them for heartlessness, and the Right takes advantage by alligning their conservative policies with anti-immegration sentiment. I think the Left needss to wise up and listen to the people. Europe (or the US) cannot and need not be the recipient of the populatins of all the failed nations in the world. And it is not necessary. The US supports undemocratic, Latin American countries that create unlivable conditions in these countries, and which drive their populations to emigrate, and then treats them like dirt when they are forced to try to come here. We cannot create popular movements for democracy in these failed states, but we can support them when and where they occur, and we can stop supporting heartless dictatorships. Honduras has had governments that ruled by death squad, and we sent them military money. For shame! Shea Foote @ Substack.com
Overview Of Cheeto’s Deliberate Election Interference
By now it’s no secret that Cheeto has lied to WE the People in order to stay out of jail in the 2024 election and has spent the last 18 months trying to undermine free and fair elections going forward so that in collusion with the Nazi Republican party(aka CNPP-Christian Nationalist Pedo Party) will have full control of elections going forward. Putin has been mentoring Cheeto and their conversations are bent on helping Cheeto turn the country into a fascist state.
As part of our group discussion our chapter of Indivisible had a talk on summarizing thus far Cheeto’s public display of election subversion and interference(set forth in the slides bit.ly/4faC4qy). The steps thus far identified along with evidence are:
1 Federalizing/nationalizing all elections so there is central control/manipulation of all elections
2 Tightening voter restrictions
3 Mid decade gerrymandering
4 Cutting election security
5 Undermining faith in the elections
6 Punish those that have worked against election denialism
WE the People have tremendous power to protect the elections…WE just have to organize at a grassroots level to guarantee free and fair elections. The first step is to not vote for any Nazi Republican running for any office and then take steps as on the slides to thwart the Nazi effort to destroy the country’s government.
I saw the Odyssey as an anti-war movie. I did see the parallel between the Trogen Horse and what we did to the Iranian leaders. The law of Zeus was "updated" by Christianity because you must be kind to others, not because they may be a God and hurt you or help you, but because everyone has intrinsic value. (my opinion)
To me, it seemed that Odysseus had PTSD and the lotus was substance abuse to forget that may have caused hallucinations, lol. It was a good movie and mostly true to the Odyssey, except for the history lesson at the very end.
There is one other ancient warning Trump is ignoring, and that is the warning against hubris, the overwhelming arrogance and pride that would anger Zeus and the other ancient deities.
Or as Sophocles wrote in "Antigone", "Evil seems good to him whose mind the god is driving towards disaster".
Yes, and human nature hasn’t changed since Sophocles’ era. I recall Antigone from high school. She carries out her duty to offer honorable burial to her father Oedipus despite the death sentence she gets from her uncle Creon.
I doubt if human nature has changed in 50,000 years! There was an old “Dragnet” TV show where hippies steal supplies to build a commune and have a perfect society. The police are sympathetic to their aims but explain they’ll never achieve them because, “You don’t have perfect people”. So yes, those who claim they are creating a “new man” or going back to an ideal time ignore the reality of who we as a species are.
Oh yes, Trump has no honor, no loyalty to others or his country, deep values the Greeks and Romans--in fact most societies--held high. But to my mind the attack on Iran does have a close historical parallel, the Japanese one on Pearl Harbor. And even then Tokyo meant to deliver a declaration of war first, but its peace commissioners were slow typists. We don't have that excuse. Finally, regarding guests, read the July 20th "New Yorker" article, "Locked Away", if you can stomach it. Life within an ICE concentration camp in Texas. Whatever the arguments for deporting some people, it is a place of hellish sadism leavened with incompetence. And that seems to be the point.
"In the Jewish tradition this pairing became foundational to hachnasat orchim, the welcoming of guests, and it’s why later rabbinic thought treats Sodom’s real sin as cruelty to strangers." Perhaps, Sensei, given your considerable influence you might manifest this message to Nut-and-Yahoo as he intoxicates himself, and the nation of Israel, in the lustful throes of genocide and murderous racism.
All the systems of peaceful civilization rest on a fundamental trust; government and law, commerce, education and science, journalism--everything. Not to be fools--trust but verify--but nothing gets done without trusting and being trustworthy. Trump/Putin/Netanyahu have despoiled all of that, and so they provide no future but endless war.
Ours is a Manchurian tale of a gift within a gift.
"The Apprentice" was the Trojan Horse NBC gifted to a gullible America.
Donald was inside said gift, being himself a KleptocRAT, conman, Mafioso-like, anti-American Trojan Horse oozing out of the bowels/colon of the Kremlin's laboratories run by one Dr. Putinstein.
The monster is lethal, crazy, and altogether out of control.
#VOTE this inhumane abomination and his cultish, so-called party O-U-T
#Draft Barron for duty in Jordan
Wow! Thank you for this. As a kid I saw the movie 'Helen of Troy' (I think that was it) where the people in the Trojan Horse were the victors/good guys (ok I was a kid then so maybe it was my interpretation). Your version makes a lot more sense and gives a warning to trump (and to the people of the US) -- which trump will, of course, ignore, because he lives in LaLa land and understands nothing. But hopefully, the people of US will learn enough to elect a president w/brains and integrity and a moral code. And with his/her cabinet will work to gain back a reputation of not being a country of cruelty and idiots -- .
I plan on seeing the Odyssey this week. My feelings about all that is happening right now is the repeat of ancient times. We forget and then we are reminded!! So I'm hanging in here and knowing it will turn around. Maybe not in my lifetime (76) but it will turn around. The United States of America has lost its way temporally! Peace to all.
Enlightening and Inspiring! Loved it.
The World turns round and round repeating the same stories and warnings endlessly.
But humanity just can’t seem to remember the answers to the test for very long.
I take this opportunity to inform fellow readers that the genitive case for Zeus is Διός (Diós): also the son of Zeus. I also point out that the signet for Dionysos was IHS, Dionyos, the god of wine, whose trick was turning water into wine, means son of God. The Latin and Spanish word for God is Dios or Zeus.
IHS in Greek is Iota Eta Sigma, to which a male ending of "us" is added and you have Iesus, that there is no J in Latin, and the I at beginning of the word has a J sound, the Iulius became Julius and Iesus became Jesus, the translation from Latin to French is responsible for the J, replacing the I.
The cult of Rome has come up with it's own explanation for IHS, as it has for the Chi Rho, the Papal signet
In fact the Chi X superimposed over the Rho (P), was the signet of Astarte, a fierce warrior goddess, and in a brilliant display of psychological warfare, Constantine had the Chi Rho painted on his legions shield at the battle of the Milivan bridge, which demoralized the legion of Maxentius and set them to flight.
People of the Eastern Mediterranean seem to have shared a lot of the same stories, which explains why many stories of the Old Testament are so remindful to me of the stories of Greek mythology. I appreciate the depth of your knowledge of classical civilizations.
What we call western civilization, culture and politics have their origin in that region we now call Iran.Which itself was fertilized by influences from the Indus valley
Even the Abrahamic religions, arose from Zoroastrianism.. Genesis, the flood, all gleaned and borrowed from the library of Babylon, which contained the cylinder strolls and clay tablets of the Sumerians via their successors the Akkadians.
Then about the time of Rameses II, the Tigris and Euphrates met the culture of the Nile and from that. the cross fertilizaion,arose the Abrahamic udeologies
It would be great if the parallels here were drawn and made clear to all of the people who see the film as well as to those who do not have that opportunity. The great thing about the best dramas and their raison d' etre is that people often intuitively or unconsciously make the connections and get the message without having it articulated. This may have more effect and influence than we realize. We can only hope.
Haven't seen Odyssey yet but intend to. Sitting for 3 hours in a movie theater? Ugh
Our system of government has been grounded in an assumption of integrity, a handshake if you will, a belief that however we may disagree on policies our (noble?) selves will be driven by core shared belief in its ideals, and trust that integrity will ultimately prevail. Even Nixon stepped down when the time came, what ever his delusions. The countless betrayals of POSOTUS, his minions, the entire Repugnican Party, even the Supreme Court, have forever shattered any inclination to trust any of them again. They have shown us who they are.
Very provocative. Will definitely see the movie this weekend. We reep what we sow. A couple issues though. The European policy has been to accept migrants, and of course, business agrees because a workforce that will work for less is to their advantage, but the people of Europe seem to be rejecting that openness while the Left condemns them for heartlessness, and the Right takes advantage by alligning their conservative policies with anti-immegration sentiment. I think the Left needss to wise up and listen to the people. Europe (or the US) cannot and need not be the recipient of the populatins of all the failed nations in the world. And it is not necessary. The US supports undemocratic, Latin American countries that create unlivable conditions in these countries, and which drive their populations to emigrate, and then treats them like dirt when they are forced to try to come here. We cannot create popular movements for democracy in these failed states, but we can support them when and where they occur, and we can stop supporting heartless dictatorships. Honduras has had governments that ruled by death squad, and we sent them military money. For shame! Shea Foote @ Substack.com
Overview Of Cheeto’s Deliberate Election Interference
By now it’s no secret that Cheeto has lied to WE the People in order to stay out of jail in the 2024 election and has spent the last 18 months trying to undermine free and fair elections going forward so that in collusion with the Nazi Republican party(aka CNPP-Christian Nationalist Pedo Party) will have full control of elections going forward. Putin has been mentoring Cheeto and their conversations are bent on helping Cheeto turn the country into a fascist state.
As part of our group discussion our chapter of Indivisible had a talk on summarizing thus far Cheeto’s public display of election subversion and interference(set forth in the slides bit.ly/4faC4qy). The steps thus far identified along with evidence are:
1 Federalizing/nationalizing all elections so there is central control/manipulation of all elections
2 Tightening voter restrictions
3 Mid decade gerrymandering
4 Cutting election security
5 Undermining faith in the elections
6 Punish those that have worked against election denialism
WE the People have tremendous power to protect the elections…WE just have to organize at a grassroots level to guarantee free and fair elections. The first step is to not vote for any Nazi Republican running for any office and then take steps as on the slides to thwart the Nazi effort to destroy the country’s government.
I saw the Odyssey as an anti-war movie. I did see the parallel between the Trogen Horse and what we did to the Iranian leaders. The law of Zeus was "updated" by Christianity because you must be kind to others, not because they may be a God and hurt you or help you, but because everyone has intrinsic value. (my opinion)
To me, it seemed that Odysseus had PTSD and the lotus was substance abuse to forget that may have caused hallucinations, lol. It was a good movie and mostly true to the Odyssey, except for the history lesson at the very end.
And each day we do not reject the Great Betrayer, we compound our complicity in the betrayals.