The only way to deal with an abuser is to cut them out of your life. I think it's becoming clear we need to decentralize the government and go back to a city-state system where cities govern themselves. 80% of the population lives in cities and the 100 most populous cities are largely Democrat. I'm sure of the ones that aren't will have …
The only way to deal with an abuser is to cut them out of your life. I think it's becoming clear we need to decentralize the government and go back to a city-state system where cities govern themselves. 80% of the population lives in cities and the 100 most populous cities are largely Democrat. I'm sure of the ones that aren't will have a more balanced political outcome. It will be the rural areas where this nonsense will be sequestered. And even then it will be too toxic for women to want to stay and raise families.
The city state system was the rationale behind secession. It is the idea that states are sovereign entities, and that we are bound together by commerce only, and that was the whole idea behind the first try at government, the Articles of Confederate, which failed, and necessitated a constitutional convention, which gave us our.s
The city state system has been the wet dream of fascists, like anti aborts, and anti gun control, "leave it to the states to decide" and in Dobbs SCOTUS agreed.
That was 250 years ago when the vast majority of people lived on farms. How would fascists have control over populations that are majority liberal today?
Here is the real political map of the US, the darker the red, the darker the blue the greater the concentration of voters of that persuasion, you might also notice that much of red spaces are empty meaning a scant population and what is there are Republican and they and their comrades in other areas control the state.
I agree in principle, but how. By what mechanism. Cities are what is called municipal corporations, that is a non profit corporation. Corporations are created by the states.
It is the states that grant a person or group of persons (including cities) the right to incorporate, via what is called a charter.
If a city council and mayor authorized and signed an act of secession, what would the state government do? Send in the National Guard? The State Police?
If they did nothing, then the city would find itself in a situation like Hong Kong, except Hong Kong was a British protectorate.
There are a number of independent cities, that lie within the city boundaries of another city,in America. Impact Texas is surrounded by Abilene Texas. When I was stationed there Abilenelene was a dry town,but Impact was wet, and the only business in Impact was selling alcohol, And on occasion the Abilene cops would arrest you coming out of impact (to filll the city's coffers)
Manakin Town inside of Richamond, VA is another example, actually part of the Manakin Sabot community. It's origins go back to a Patent granted the Huguenots in 1700, a measure enacted by the George III to rid himself of the pesky Huguenots who had skills and commercial connections that the London merchants and guilds did. They complained of unfair competition, so George's answer was to appease them by offering them land in Virginia, but only a handful accepted.
There are others, but one thing they all have in common is that they have to abide by the laws of the state. So the idea of an independent city, with the right to abortion or other federal laws is impossible, given our Constitution that recognizes the sovereignty of the state.
The underlying reason for federal laws is the commerce clause and Roe was decided on the basis of the due process clause. This SCOTUS essentially declared that the due process did not provide protection, thus was wrongly decided.
Seven of the nine justices agreed that the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment — which says that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” — implies a right to privacy, The current course disagreed.
Im not a lawyer or anything so I'm not going to make any claim to have the answers. But something has to be done to hedge this encroaching fascism. The supreme court has already demonstrated it is illegitimate and people can just decide to ignore its rulings. I'd imagine it's the same as any state. A state only exists if people make a collective agreement to recognize it as one. States are just an arbitrary social construct. If enough people agree within a city, they can become independent and secede. Create alliances with other city-states to fund the military and roads and such. There are city-states around the world: Liechtenstein, Singapore, formerly Hong Kong as you mentioned. It's doable. It's just getting people to do it. Commerce just has to be restructured to legitimize them.
I share your frustration and angst Probably more so than most. And indeed people are engaged in thought experiments to find a way out. I do not wish to diminish your idea, there is surely a realistic solution somewhere.
But Monaco, Lichenstein, Singapore only exist because the patron state, finds them useful, and permits it.
A kind of off the wall example as it doesn't involve a state, but it embodies an example.
The Old USSR had seven banks and a central bank.The seven banks serviced the seven trusts which comprised the United Socialists Soviets The trusts were formed along lines of resource and production. A trust for mining, a trust for labor, a a trust for agriculture, a trust for industry, and a trust for human labor (KGB).
These trusts needed resources provided by other trusts, but payment was either in kind, or as a finality by Rubles. Ruble payments were handled by the GosBank. The GosBank was the only bank authorized to operate outside the Soviet Union, and it had a branch in Paris.
A holder of rubles could present it at the window of the GosBank and demand gold. Gold was the USSR atandards of value, .9851 grams fine gold equaled one ruble. A reduction in the gold on hand meant a reduction in the rubles in circulation (a 100% gold standard) and worsening the permanent depression.
Anyway the chances of a city successfully seceding are as likely as man becoming pregnant via sexual intercourse.
The state would not allow it, especially when it operates as sovereign, and the laws of the state don't apply. To make compacts with cities outside of the state, is as feasible as Arkansas making a treaty with Putin. or China. The only way that foreign companies, and there are more of them than most people realize, can do business in the U.S.A is because they either have incorporated in a state, as a subsidiary of the parent, or they have made a contract with a middle man at the port of entry.
Here is a simple solution. As Federal Judges are appointed by the Senate, Not the House, the House doesn't even interview them, the Senate can remove them for cause,and there is plenty of cause.
The reason that the Senate hasn't moved to do so is either ignorance (doubtful) or political fear, fear of push back, fear that the Republicans will do the same to all Democratic appointed judges. Fear of upsetting the donor class who are responsible for the judges sitting where they sit.
Whatever the reason, the cause is : Fear, cowardice, maybe even complicity and corruption. The three C''s of politics
Very interesting history. You know your stuff. As Chris Hedges calls it, the corporate state does all these things. The forefathers called them 'imperio in imperium' or state within a state. That is indeed what they were back when we had factory towns. The USSR was effectively an upscaled factory town. If we turn all these corporations into joint stock companies and cities own shares in them, that would be new states forming. I think it's doable. It just takes a will and a way. But something has to be done.
Lenin referred to the USSR as State Capitalism, the corporate state. I had respect for Hedges and Chomsky,till they and the old "tankie" left https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie proved to be pro Putin. Obliguely because being anticolonial and opposed to the defense of Ukraine, you are essentially being pro Putin Most likely because the only media that would carry them and give them air time is Russia today, but most of them are old style Maxrists and apparently bought into the notion that communism is socialism and that
capitalism is the root of colonialism and thus all evil, and that the only reason we have wars is because industrial capitalists need them to keep the engine going. Thus ignoring the thousands years old history of mankind that wars occur when one nation or man wants to steal the resources of another.
Then it got worse with religion and ideology being an excuse for war, and the reason for that is internal security, as long as there is a competing idea on your border, you are under threat so the way to make the world safe for you, is to force your neighbor into submission. Humm that includes the current political climate where the fascist right is trying to force us all into submission.
By the way a Joint Stock Company is a corporation. only the word corporation did not exist at the time the King awarded letters patent to groups of adventurers, which is what they called stock holders then.
A group of wealthy London merchants got together and petitioned King James, to grant them a charter as a joint stock company, it was called the Virginia Company of London. They were the adventurers who financed the first shipment of gentry and indentured servants to Virginia.
At that time Virginia was the name given to the eastern seaboard from the failed Roanoke Colony to Maine. The puritans whom some call pilgrims (they called themselves saints, and they were only 32 of the 102 manifested on the Mayflower.,set sail for. their destination was the Hudson river.
The point is that a corporation is just another name for a joint stock company. Like investor or stockholder is another name for adventurer
Aren't you paying attention to politics. They have already done just that.
A liberal city surrounded by a fascists.
Sorry Laura yours is an unrealistic dream. Fascists already have control over populations that are majority liberal today, and those populations are cities, large cities, Like Austin, TX, Seattle, WA(basically King, Snohomish and the portion of counties on the I-5 corridor.
New York is a red state, but NYC keeps it blue. Pennsylvnia is a red state, except that Philadelphia and Pittsburgh keep it blue, Pittsburgh on the west, Phillie on the east and all the rest is Pennsyltucky.
And by the way, the voting power lies in rural America, which is the majority of America. Farming is no longer a family enterprise, although there are still family farmers, but Prudential Life Insurance is the biggest farmer in America, and owns property that starts on the Gulf and Rio Grande, all the way to Minnesota.
They start early spring, tilling and planting, then when the rented equipment is finished in the north, the drivers are convoyed to the south again and fire up the rented combines and reapers and start all over again.
Yet the tradition of rural America is the same as it was in the revolution, it is religious, conservative, they are the majority of Fox News, OANN , NewsMax and Sinclair viewers and listeners, and they go to church at least once, if not twice a week, and are told what to think by their pastors, priests and the local media.
The only way to deal with an abuser is to cut them out of your life. I think it's becoming clear we need to decentralize the government and go back to a city-state system where cities govern themselves. 80% of the population lives in cities and the 100 most populous cities are largely Democrat. I'm sure of the ones that aren't will have a more balanced political outcome. It will be the rural areas where this nonsense will be sequestered. And even then it will be too toxic for women to want to stay and raise families.
The city state system was the rationale behind secession. It is the idea that states are sovereign entities, and that we are bound together by commerce only, and that was the whole idea behind the first try at government, the Articles of Confederate, which failed, and necessitated a constitutional convention, which gave us our.s
The city state system has been the wet dream of fascists, like anti aborts, and anti gun control, "leave it to the states to decide" and in Dobbs SCOTUS agreed.
So not a good idea.
That was 250 years ago when the vast majority of people lived on farms. How would fascists have control over populations that are majority liberal today?
Here is the real political map of the US, the darker the red, the darker the blue the greater the concentration of voters of that persuasion, you might also notice that much of red spaces are empty meaning a scant population and what is there are Republican and they and their comrades in other areas control the state.
https://www.wired.com/story/is-us-leaning-red-or-blue-election-maps/
Yes I realize that. Which is all the more reason why cities should govern themselves.
I agree in principle, but how. By what mechanism. Cities are what is called municipal corporations, that is a non profit corporation. Corporations are created by the states.
It is the states that grant a person or group of persons (including cities) the right to incorporate, via what is called a charter.
If a city council and mayor authorized and signed an act of secession, what would the state government do? Send in the National Guard? The State Police?
If they did nothing, then the city would find itself in a situation like Hong Kong, except Hong Kong was a British protectorate.
There are a number of independent cities, that lie within the city boundaries of another city,in America. Impact Texas is surrounded by Abilene Texas. When I was stationed there Abilenelene was a dry town,but Impact was wet, and the only business in Impact was selling alcohol, And on occasion the Abilene cops would arrest you coming out of impact (to filll the city's coffers)
Manakin Town inside of Richamond, VA is another example, actually part of the Manakin Sabot community. It's origins go back to a Patent granted the Huguenots in 1700, a measure enacted by the George III to rid himself of the pesky Huguenots who had skills and commercial connections that the London merchants and guilds did. They complained of unfair competition, so George's answer was to appease them by offering them land in Virginia, but only a handful accepted.
There are others, but one thing they all have in common is that they have to abide by the laws of the state. So the idea of an independent city, with the right to abortion or other federal laws is impossible, given our Constitution that recognizes the sovereignty of the state.
The underlying reason for federal laws is the commerce clause and Roe was decided on the basis of the due process clause. This SCOTUS essentially declared that the due process did not provide protection, thus was wrongly decided.
Seven of the nine justices agreed that the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment — which says that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” — implies a right to privacy, The current course disagreed.
Im not a lawyer or anything so I'm not going to make any claim to have the answers. But something has to be done to hedge this encroaching fascism. The supreme court has already demonstrated it is illegitimate and people can just decide to ignore its rulings. I'd imagine it's the same as any state. A state only exists if people make a collective agreement to recognize it as one. States are just an arbitrary social construct. If enough people agree within a city, they can become independent and secede. Create alliances with other city-states to fund the military and roads and such. There are city-states around the world: Liechtenstein, Singapore, formerly Hong Kong as you mentioned. It's doable. It's just getting people to do it. Commerce just has to be restructured to legitimize them.
I share your frustration and angst Probably more so than most. And indeed people are engaged in thought experiments to find a way out. I do not wish to diminish your idea, there is surely a realistic solution somewhere.
But Monaco, Lichenstein, Singapore only exist because the patron state, finds them useful, and permits it.
A kind of off the wall example as it doesn't involve a state, but it embodies an example.
The Old USSR had seven banks and a central bank.The seven banks serviced the seven trusts which comprised the United Socialists Soviets The trusts were formed along lines of resource and production. A trust for mining, a trust for labor, a a trust for agriculture, a trust for industry, and a trust for human labor (KGB).
These trusts needed resources provided by other trusts, but payment was either in kind, or as a finality by Rubles. Ruble payments were handled by the GosBank. The GosBank was the only bank authorized to operate outside the Soviet Union, and it had a branch in Paris.
A holder of rubles could present it at the window of the GosBank and demand gold. Gold was the USSR atandards of value, .9851 grams fine gold equaled one ruble. A reduction in the gold on hand meant a reduction in the rubles in circulation (a 100% gold standard) and worsening the permanent depression.
Anyway the chances of a city successfully seceding are as likely as man becoming pregnant via sexual intercourse.
The state would not allow it, especially when it operates as sovereign, and the laws of the state don't apply. To make compacts with cities outside of the state, is as feasible as Arkansas making a treaty with Putin. or China. The only way that foreign companies, and there are more of them than most people realize, can do business in the U.S.A is because they either have incorporated in a state, as a subsidiary of the parent, or they have made a contract with a middle man at the port of entry.
Here is a simple solution. As Federal Judges are appointed by the Senate, Not the House, the House doesn't even interview them, the Senate can remove them for cause,and there is plenty of cause.
The reason that the Senate hasn't moved to do so is either ignorance (doubtful) or political fear, fear of push back, fear that the Republicans will do the same to all Democratic appointed judges. Fear of upsetting the donor class who are responsible for the judges sitting where they sit.
Whatever the reason, the cause is : Fear, cowardice, maybe even complicity and corruption. The three C''s of politics
Very interesting history. You know your stuff. As Chris Hedges calls it, the corporate state does all these things. The forefathers called them 'imperio in imperium' or state within a state. That is indeed what they were back when we had factory towns. The USSR was effectively an upscaled factory town. If we turn all these corporations into joint stock companies and cities own shares in them, that would be new states forming. I think it's doable. It just takes a will and a way. But something has to be done.
Lenin referred to the USSR as State Capitalism, the corporate state. I had respect for Hedges and Chomsky,till they and the old "tankie" left https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie proved to be pro Putin. Obliguely because being anticolonial and opposed to the defense of Ukraine, you are essentially being pro Putin Most likely because the only media that would carry them and give them air time is Russia today, but most of them are old style Maxrists and apparently bought into the notion that communism is socialism and that
capitalism is the root of colonialism and thus all evil, and that the only reason we have wars is because industrial capitalists need them to keep the engine going. Thus ignoring the thousands years old history of mankind that wars occur when one nation or man wants to steal the resources of another.
Then it got worse with religion and ideology being an excuse for war, and the reason for that is internal security, as long as there is a competing idea on your border, you are under threat so the way to make the world safe for you, is to force your neighbor into submission. Humm that includes the current political climate where the fascist right is trying to force us all into submission.
By the way a Joint Stock Company is a corporation. only the word corporation did not exist at the time the King awarded letters patent to groups of adventurers, which is what they called stock holders then.
A group of wealthy London merchants got together and petitioned King James, to grant them a charter as a joint stock company, it was called the Virginia Company of London. They were the adventurers who financed the first shipment of gentry and indentured servants to Virginia.
At that time Virginia was the name given to the eastern seaboard from the failed Roanoke Colony to Maine. The puritans whom some call pilgrims (they called themselves saints, and they were only 32 of the 102 manifested on the Mayflower.,set sail for. their destination was the Hudson river.
The point is that a corporation is just another name for a joint stock company. Like investor or stockholder is another name for adventurer
Aren't you paying attention to politics. They have already done just that.
A liberal city surrounded by a fascists.
Sorry Laura yours is an unrealistic dream. Fascists already have control over populations that are majority liberal today, and those populations are cities, large cities, Like Austin, TX, Seattle, WA(basically King, Snohomish and the portion of counties on the I-5 corridor.
New York is a red state, but NYC keeps it blue. Pennsylvnia is a red state, except that Philadelphia and Pittsburgh keep it blue, Pittsburgh on the west, Phillie on the east and all the rest is Pennsyltucky.
And by the way, the voting power lies in rural America, which is the majority of America. Farming is no longer a family enterprise, although there are still family farmers, but Prudential Life Insurance is the biggest farmer in America, and owns property that starts on the Gulf and Rio Grande, all the way to Minnesota.
They start early spring, tilling and planting, then when the rented equipment is finished in the north, the drivers are convoyed to the south again and fire up the rented combines and reapers and start all over again.
Yet the tradition of rural America is the same as it was in the revolution, it is religious, conservative, they are the majority of Fox News, OANN , NewsMax and Sinclair viewers and listeners, and they go to church at least once, if not twice a week, and are told what to think by their pastors, priests and the local media.
You're just making my point. Cities should govern themselves instead of having states impose authority over them.