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In your experience/observations, how would you describe a 'norm' with women older than15 years? Are they what we might call liberated, or trending toward that behavior, or are they traditional, as Carol states?

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Mick, I think Carol made my case. Seems to me many women just want a daddy. That is both stupid and short sighted. I don't hold the "white women" that voted for Trump despite his dispicable behavior toward them in very high esteem. I'm not faulting all women by any means. But my impression is that many women are intellectually lazy. Call me what you will, I really don't care.

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I did not/will not call you anything. I asked a question. I received an answer I can understand. As I watch my daughters cope with various feminine issues in their lives, it is obvious to me that the 'murkan female has been and still is under great duress. Much of the male population is misogynist to some degree, often unconsciously, but more often overtly. Women are outrageously manipulated by the propaganda of social expectations delivered by consumerism and competition. Both my kids often repeat one word - testosterone. I cannot disagree, but I wish it were that simple. It is a constant challenge to attempt to be an empathetic and honorable male, even when that might be my natural disposition. Men in 'murka are drastically in need of mature role models. I see few now, whereas in my youth and early adulthood, there were quite a few.

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