Amazing! We are finally making some progress. You have finally figured out that I am proposing that compulsory attendance laws were a profound mistake. You think that correcting that huge mistake is not a solution. I have explained many times why it was a tremendous error and how eliminating the laws would eradicate the hold that incompe…
Amazing! We are finally making some progress. You have finally figured out that I am proposing that compulsory attendance laws were a profound mistake. You think that correcting that huge mistake is not a solution. I have explained many times why it was a tremendous error and how eliminating the laws would eradicate the hold that incompetent politicians have over the people involved at all levels and alter the relationships between teachers and students and that we have high rates of illiteracy now. But you really aren't interested in learning anything, and I will not waste any more of my time repeating what I have already argued dozens of times only to be ignored. End of conversation.
The alternative to compulsory education is illiteracy and ignorance. But you are so eat up with your ideology that you can't see it. It is like trying to tell a Jesus believer that Jesus nunca se existe.
You never answer the question, what will you replace it with.
Your answer has to be illiteracy and ignorance.
The problem with compulsory education is not that it is compulsory it is the curriculum and the people that command it , who write and approve the text books.
The problem in America has been that text book publishers have catered to the largest market, to save money in printing, and that market has been the Texas School board.
#1. There is overwhelming evidence that children are harmed in myriad ways by our dysfunctional schools. They do function as they exist as hierarchical and authoritarian institutions in turning out automatons. However, in terms of education or adequately serving their own stated purposes with respect to socialization, enculturation, growth and development, etc., they fail miserably as evidenced by tons of empirical studies and research. If you were serious and actually cared, you would have had something to say about all that or you would have delved into the literature which I have recommended numerous times. You have not followed up on a single reference or shown any awareness relative to what is actually happening in those prison-factory-schools. You are more interested in playing some ego game and proving something.
#2. As I have explained many times, the term “compulsory education” is an oxymoron and is highly obnoxious and offensive. Education cannot be forced. If something is learned under duress, that is indoctrination or information which is compromised and not integrated knowledge, since integration requires willful attention, intrinsic reward, personal initiative, interest, and a meaningful context.
#3. Students who attend “free schools” are not illiterate and are certainly not ignorant, while a large proportion of students under compulsion are illiterate, semi-literate, and disengaged. You assume incorrectly that students would not attend schools if there were no laws forcing attendance. THAT is ignorance. If students found schools hospitable and if schools were providing real services and were able to focus on what students need and want to learn about, without arbitrary authority, bureaucracy, and interference from outsiders pushing a conservative agenda, parents would stop hating schools and you wouldn’t be able to keep kids away. You simply do not have a clue.
#4. There is an entire universe of “alternative schools” and “alternative education”. The primary difference is that the student is self-directed and autonomous, the teachers are autonomous, and the parents are not treated as a nuisance and as incompetent to have a voice in their child’s school experience. The reason alternatives are sought is because the laws create conditions which are counterproductive and injurious to the spirit, the soul, and the intellect.
#5. As I repeat over and over: School is NOT education. Education happens in schools under certain conditions when the rules are suspended, or when teachers circumvent rules and students are exceptionally active because of their own initiatives and influences. Otherwise, schools often inhibit intellectual endeavors and discussion, and the environment/climate is repressive or oppressive, stifling, boring, and repetitive.
I waste my time with the vague hope that someone else will be watching. You obviously will still be demanding that I give you my magic formula and denying that coercion is inimical to education. You may be educated. But you know precious little about education. And, as you have stated, you do not care. BTW, textbooks are an abomination, regardless of who writes or publishes them. Students should have original materials and should be interacting with each other in studies of real-world questions, answers, and solutions to problems. Go fly a kite or find some other way to entertain yourself.
I've told you before and I will tell you again, Robert, If you don't like it
Till 1890 my family were illiterate pig farmers and lumberjacks in the backwoods of Arkansas, but Horace Mann preached Universal Education and my pappy had an 8th grade education, my father H.S. and some college, I have a Masters my son a PhD, as does his daughter and all because of free,tax payer education.. My line fell into illiteracy when my 5th great grandfather, a planter died, without a will and all his property went to his eldest son, by the law of primogeniture, the rest of his sons either worked for the elder brother or tried to make it on their own, with the benefit of being able to read and write and thus engage in commerce or even write their own will
And for that you have no solution, just a long list of grievances which you repeat ad nauseam when asked for a solution, you list the problems, because you have none, you just want to bitch.
It is very sad that your genius has never been recognized, and that people refuse to show you the admiration you deserve. It seems that you will just have to hope that everyone will become aware of your greatness posthumously. So sorry.
Here is the problem with you. All you do is rant and rail against public education and you have no alternative all you have is snark and attempts to make me the subject. That is the tactic of the Right Wing Robert.
You are opposed to compulsory public funded education. I get that, You were traumatized, I understand that.
However without compulsory , public funded education we have an illiterate and ignorant society.
There is history, our history, the history of civilizations to back that up, which you choose to ignore because you have this hard on for compulsory public funded education, yet paradoxically, you claim to support the idea of a Federal Department of Education. I may have got that wrong,but not the rest.
I ask you time and again to no avail, What is your solution, How do we have a literate, educated population, without compulsory publicly funded education.
Amazing! We are finally making some progress. You have finally figured out that I am proposing that compulsory attendance laws were a profound mistake. You think that correcting that huge mistake is not a solution. I have explained many times why it was a tremendous error and how eliminating the laws would eradicate the hold that incompetent politicians have over the people involved at all levels and alter the relationships between teachers and students and that we have high rates of illiteracy now. But you really aren't interested in learning anything, and I will not waste any more of my time repeating what I have already argued dozens of times only to be ignored. End of conversation.
The alternative to compulsory education is illiteracy and ignorance. But you are so eat up with your ideology that you can't see it. It is like trying to tell a Jesus believer that Jesus nunca se existe.
You never answer the question, what will you replace it with.
Your answer has to be illiteracy and ignorance.
The problem with compulsory education is not that it is compulsory it is the curriculum and the people that command it , who write and approve the text books.
The problem in America has been that text book publishers have catered to the largest market, to save money in printing, and that market has been the Texas School board.
#1. There is overwhelming evidence that children are harmed in myriad ways by our dysfunctional schools. They do function as they exist as hierarchical and authoritarian institutions in turning out automatons. However, in terms of education or adequately serving their own stated purposes with respect to socialization, enculturation, growth and development, etc., they fail miserably as evidenced by tons of empirical studies and research. If you were serious and actually cared, you would have had something to say about all that or you would have delved into the literature which I have recommended numerous times. You have not followed up on a single reference or shown any awareness relative to what is actually happening in those prison-factory-schools. You are more interested in playing some ego game and proving something.
#2. As I have explained many times, the term “compulsory education” is an oxymoron and is highly obnoxious and offensive. Education cannot be forced. If something is learned under duress, that is indoctrination or information which is compromised and not integrated knowledge, since integration requires willful attention, intrinsic reward, personal initiative, interest, and a meaningful context.
#3. Students who attend “free schools” are not illiterate and are certainly not ignorant, while a large proportion of students under compulsion are illiterate, semi-literate, and disengaged. You assume incorrectly that students would not attend schools if there were no laws forcing attendance. THAT is ignorance. If students found schools hospitable and if schools were providing real services and were able to focus on what students need and want to learn about, without arbitrary authority, bureaucracy, and interference from outsiders pushing a conservative agenda, parents would stop hating schools and you wouldn’t be able to keep kids away. You simply do not have a clue.
#4. There is an entire universe of “alternative schools” and “alternative education”. The primary difference is that the student is self-directed and autonomous, the teachers are autonomous, and the parents are not treated as a nuisance and as incompetent to have a voice in their child’s school experience. The reason alternatives are sought is because the laws create conditions which are counterproductive and injurious to the spirit, the soul, and the intellect.
#5. As I repeat over and over: School is NOT education. Education happens in schools under certain conditions when the rules are suspended, or when teachers circumvent rules and students are exceptionally active because of their own initiatives and influences. Otherwise, schools often inhibit intellectual endeavors and discussion, and the environment/climate is repressive or oppressive, stifling, boring, and repetitive.
I waste my time with the vague hope that someone else will be watching. You obviously will still be demanding that I give you my magic formula and denying that coercion is inimical to education. You may be educated. But you know precious little about education. And, as you have stated, you do not care. BTW, textbooks are an abomination, regardless of who writes or publishes them. Students should have original materials and should be interacting with each other in studies of real-world questions, answers, and solutions to problems. Go fly a kite or find some other way to entertain yourself.
I've told you before and I will tell you again, Robert, If you don't like it
Till 1890 my family were illiterate pig farmers and lumberjacks in the backwoods of Arkansas, but Horace Mann preached Universal Education and my pappy had an 8th grade education, my father H.S. and some college, I have a Masters my son a PhD, as does his daughter and all because of free,tax payer education.. My line fell into illiteracy when my 5th great grandfather, a planter died, without a will and all his property went to his eldest son, by the law of primogeniture, the rest of his sons either worked for the elder brother or tried to make it on their own, with the benefit of being able to read and write and thus engage in commerce or even write their own will
And for that you have no solution, just a long list of grievances which you repeat ad nauseam when asked for a solution, you list the problems, because you have none, you just want to bitch.
OK, you were harmed at a dysfunctional school, I understand that, and in my experience I attended a dysfunctional school, it was boring
There are dysfunctional schools, dysfunctional parents, dysfunctional employers. So the solution is to shut everything down.
I don't care how you twist and turn, define and rationalize.
Without compulsory and government funded education, we have an illiterate and ignorant population, people that can't read, much less sign contracts.
And you don't have a solution, just a perpetual bitch
It is very sad that your genius has never been recognized, and that people refuse to show you the admiration you deserve. It seems that you will just have to hope that everyone will become aware of your greatness posthumously. So sorry.
Your snark is of no account Robert.
Here is the problem with you. All you do is rant and rail against public education and you have no alternative all you have is snark and attempts to make me the subject. That is the tactic of the Right Wing Robert.
You are opposed to compulsory public funded education. I get that, You were traumatized, I understand that.
However without compulsory , public funded education we have an illiterate and ignorant society.
There is history, our history, the history of civilizations to back that up, which you choose to ignore because you have this hard on for compulsory public funded education, yet paradoxically, you claim to support the idea of a Federal Department of Education. I may have got that wrong,but not the rest.
I ask you time and again to no avail, What is your solution, How do we have a literate, educated population, without compulsory publicly funded education.
You have no reply, only snark.