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Well Paul, As regards your first question> I've seen it out of their own mouths on TV

As regards the rest of your rant. Retribution is none of it. I have no skin in the game. And I declare a pox on both houses

Gazans did have an ability to rule their own lives. They elected HAMAS and that was their last election, kind of like what Trump has in store for us.

The Muslims have the MidEast, Iran, the gulf, west Asia, Indonesica, Malyasia, North Africa, parts of Subsahara Africa, East Africa. Hindu have India, and you begrudge the Jews a sliver of what was, before they bought it (yes they did between 1920 and 1948, when the Muslims tried to genocide them and last (the Nakba which the Arabs caused by trying to genocide the Jews) a worthless piece of fallow desert

Christians have a whole continent called America, it is not a theocracy yet, but they outnumber every one else and have the power to model the continent after there beliefs and are doing it, by banning abortion, launching a crusade against queers, and they haven't really begun, but wait until Trump takes power.

All of your why, why, why's are not questions but anti semitic statements. You begrudge Jews t heir own land

All you have done is expose yourself.

You know little of history, nor do you know anything of Islam or Judaism.

Islam is the most misogynistic, homophobic religion that rules nations

American Evangelicals are wannabes, but will be if Trump is elected.

Israel is , with the exception of Bibi and the Orthodox right wing and settlers which is his base, a secular democracy that recognizes women's and gay rights.

Islamic countries don't, they subordinate women as objects, and they kill gays. Iran forces them into sexual reassignment surgery or death.

As regards the misery of Gaza, HAMAS is 100% to blame for that. Apparently you believe that the Jews got their just deserts, and that punishing the killers is not right, because they are Muslims.

What Israel is doing is defending itself against future attacks, because that is what HAMAS promises, that they are a nation of martyrs, and they rejoice martyrdom, and they will come back again and again, never stop until they kill or drive out all Jews.

Free Palestine from the river to the sea is a call to genocide.

The HAMAS covent is a plan for genocide of the Jews, preamble says to obliterate Israel.

Article 7 of the HAMAS Covenant is extracted from their sacred text, the haddith of al Bukhari and it calls for the obliteration of Jews.

Either you are grossly uniformed and ignorant or you are an antisemite.

Myself I am an atheists, my parents, grandparents were Christians. The difference beween you and I is that I am I am 84, have lived through all of this, I read, know my history and I form my own opinions, not acquire them from authority and peers.

In other words I know my shit, and have critical thinkiing skills. apparently you lack both.

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