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Actually, most of my life was dedicated to the pursit of justice. Our system isn't perfect. As my ol' pappy used to say, when he caught someone lying on the stand, sometimes justice takes a kick in the ass.

I don't believe in predestination.... People are able to overcome obstacles.

IMHO both Trump and Musk have overcompensated for personality deficits. But they eventually will have to fear each other.

I just hope they don't take us down.

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Presybyterians like Carnegie and Rockefeller certainly believe in pre destination. I would wager that most of the Robber Barons in the Gilded age, believe in predestination.

A Musk vs Trump conflict is inevitable, there can only be one King..

But first Trump needs to get rid of the Constitution., or make it an irrelevant document, and the help of SCOTUS they are doing just that.

They are using our freedoms, to destroy our democracy.

People don't appreciate what they have, until it was they had.

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Presbyterians gave it up about 1800.

Rockefeller was a Baptist, came from a line of preachers who opposed Presbyterian control. Supported Baptist theological seminaries.

There's no evidence about Carnegie. He established a hierarchy in his mills. One of them was in my home town. Hired Welsh people as managers, who mostly were Diciples of Christ, who do believe in a form of predestination, but accept the beatitudes (the least will be first) and practiced the social gospel.

I don't think that Trump ever gives religion a thought, although his mother was outwardly an active Presbyterian. On his maternal side Musk stems from Pennsylvania "Dutch" quasi Amish/ Menonites who relcated to Canada. https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/2024/elon-musk-says-hes-a-cultural-christian--why-some-leading-thinkers-are-embracing-christianity/

IMHO both consider themsemselves superior, and Trump ran on about genetics that sounds like eugenics. By rights, should turn off most of his financial supporters.

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Daniel, you said "IMHO both (Musk and Trump) consider themsemselves superior, and Trump ran on about genetics that sounds like eugenics. By rights, should turn off most of his financial supporters.

I am going to go out on a limb here. Western (Christian) culture is supremacist, and arrogant, it has no collective memory and as Thom Harmann said, no sooner than the last of a generation dies off than the cycle repeats itself, war and all. Which is about 80 years. The Eugenic movement, which Inspired Hitler, died out as a popular movement or idea, well over 80 years ago, it has survived in the form of racism., and the belief that non whites are inferior.

In general though eugenics has passed into history, except that it survives in the form of racism, and the notion of the elect,which apparently Trump and Musk, as well as the billionaires that own the economy and our politicians subscribe to.

The thing with the privileged, "the elect", the billionaires, the financial supporters of Trump and Putin,and dictators in general, is that they believe that their finances bestow on them the power,to escape the consequences of the behavior that they would impose on others.

I need only look at the examples of Frtiz Thyssen. Porsche, Messerschmidt,Bayer and IG Farben for proof. Bayer made Zylon B and now it makes aspirin. ( I know it is a hugeinternatinal chemical and dye

corporations )

Did Musks ancestors migrate fromCanada to South Africa?

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People like Miriam Adelson, the Perlemutters, etc would go stright to the ovens. Thiel is openly a homosexual.

Musk's mom's family, famous chiropractors, migrated first to Canada and then to South Africa.

The founders of many of those German companies like Mercedes, in some cases were Jews. During the Nazi regime in Germany, a process called "Aryanization" took place, where Jewish-owned businesses were systematically taken over by non-Jewish individuals, effectively appropriating companies from their Jewish owners through forced sales, government pressure, and discriminatory laws, often at significantly undervalued prices; some prominent examples include large department stores like "Kaufhof," banking institutions like "Commerzbank," and industrial companies like "Siemens" which had significant Jewish ownership at the time. https://www.anumuseum.org.il/blog/marcus/

The appropriations were a big factor in Nazi support. These days tens of thousands of MAGATs lay in wait to appropriate government jobs from libtards.

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I know all of this Daniel, just don't want to add to anti semiic tropes.

With people like the Addelsons, Perlemuuters, Wynn, they are detached from reality but haunted by the holocaust and their identity as Jews with israel,in fact the 2024 election was all about identity, people voted or didn't vote at all because of identity loyalty.

I just don't find my identity with any group, no matter it's basis.

If we were like nature, I would be a lone wolf, and my ability to survive would be hampered, same thing with meerkats .However I do have a brain, and I use it, to adjust or appear to and survive.

Thiel is perplexing, he outed himself as a gay, but IIRC he has a child, and has tried to claw back his gayness.

In any event he is proof of my hypothesis, that if you have enough money, then you are immune to the strictures and laws of society, and you only objective is to maintain the power and status that your money gives you.

Ar present the social momentum is with Chrisian Nationaliss, white ones at that, which the Mark Robinsons, Clarence Thomas's, Herschel Walkers,Kanye West, silk and Diamonds and Candace Owens have learned,will be alowed to share brandy with the massah of the house.

My name for them all are Quislings. Sell outs to the powers that be,if there was a seismic shift in power, they would change their tune, Thiel , Thomas, Addelsons, all of them.

Do you remember when Rupert Murdoch was chastised for complaining that that he didn't understand why the Jewish owned press was not pro Israel.

He was chastised for advancing a trope about Jews owning the media, but what he really is , is zionist, pro Irsael., and what he was doing was criticizing the owners of the press for turning their backs on the homeland.

Of course Bibi's actions, to date, have actually threatened the homesland, turned it into a pariah state, but with the defeat of Assad, he has gained some respite and burnished his tarnished reputation.

Jolani of HST has no choice but to play ball, until he gets settled and rebuilds, like the Taliban did in Afghanistan.

The US and the West wants to hear that the new Syria regime will respect women, other religions and human rights, so Jolani is telling them what they want to hear, and the fools believe, because they want to believe and because they have no answers or alternative.

When HST get settled it will be up to it's old Assad tricks.for that is the culture of that gawd (al Lihah) region.

Summary executions,torture, mass graves and misogyny are de jure in that part of the planet.

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