It is not only countries that are lining up on either side
But within ideological preferences there is a division.
The extreme right is Pro Putin, Pro misogynisti, homophobic Russia
The extreme left wing is Pro Russian, because they are still steeped in the Marxist fantasy of bad, unredeeming capitalism, and a nostalgia for Stalinist …
It is not only countries that are lining up on either side
But within ideological preferences there is a division.
The extreme right is Pro Putin, Pro misogynisti, homophobic Russia
The extreme left wing is Pro Russian, because they are still steeped in the Marxist fantasy of bad, unredeeming capitalism, and a nostalgia for Stalinist Russia that they would surrender to the worst murdering, psychopath on the planet today –Putin
I am appalled and concerned that the extreme right and extreme left have line up on the side of Putin.
Especially the left, who are not all concerned about Putin’s murder and imprisonment of journalists and opposition, of squelching of speech, of his latent theocracy, of his misogyny and homophobia. The man is Trump’s role model. And it invaded a basically unarmed neighbor under false pretenses, raped, plundered, tortured it’s citizens and is employing a private mercenary force of convicted murderers and rapists.
The right, yeh, they are theocratic, authoritarian, sexual conflicted psychopathic sociopaths, That is a given, but the left.?
There is a common thread twixt the two and it isn’t ideology, It is emotional commitment to an weltanshauung. A world view that constitutes their very identity. A belief system, how they perceive the world in relation to themselves.
There are precepts held inviolate and sacred, we know what they are on the right, but are reluctant to acknowledge or discuss them on the left.
Putin’s invasion of Russia has brought them out of the closet so to speak.
Thanks for the Wiki cite to "Tankie!" Funny thing is, I was in Paris in 1968, and even in Notre Dame, unforgettable packed in full pomp and overwhelming organ on Liberation from Hitler Day, which was super-intense because of - the tanks, in Prague. The French were very agitated in solidarity with those so near behind the Iron Curtain. Yet this colloquialism had never gotten on my radar. Other funny thing is, I was an early Green Party activist, in the course of which I knew quite a few radicals, eccentrics, esoterics, serious intellectuals (Petaluma Progressives hosted talks by published Marxist Doug Dowd) AND never encountered a "tankie." My anecdotal would be, is this actually a thing?
America has its own version of a Tankie. I think a TANKIE is a Brit thing. The culture of Britain is quite different than that of France. Brits have suffered, though they are inured to the fact,under a rigid class system since the Norman Conquest. As a consequence there arose a Dicksonian ,England. resulting in a Labour Party, and labor strikes, the excesses of capitalism, which resulted in two phenomenon, right wing populism in the form of fascism and left wing populism int he form of Marxism. And there is a form of Marxism that is religious in their opposition to capitalism, which they blame for colonialism. (Colonialism arose millennia before capitalism, Cologne, Germany means Colony, and gets its name from it's Roman founding.
Here in America the Tankies are old line Marxists, they have a nostalgic view of Russia, a religious like belief in Marx. Not realizing that Marx was actually a proto libertarian. The Bolsheviks co opted Marx, made him their own, and were extremists.
I've known and socialized with quite a few in Santa Cruz, CA back in the 80's and 90's.
There still around advocating for Russia, stuck in their nostalgia and religious belief that the only evil in the world is capitalism and the class struggle. They willfully ignore the power of the oligarchs, the institutional corruption, the bribery, the official theft, the persecution and murder of journalists and opposition, the patriarchalism and misogyny of Putin and Russia.
As regards the Greens. Not sure what to think, but surface opinion is that they are re-branded Marxists.
When I was attending a community college in 1970, I attended a rally in the auditorium put on by the campus communist. His guest speaker proclaimed that they will defeat capitalism by strategic use of environmentalism. (True story) Then I read the book The Greening of America, and we know what has resulted from moving our production facilities off shore, worse world wide pollution, and creation of the Rust Belt which is in large part why Trump became President,as the rust belt/swing states are the electoral votes that put him in office.
France has a completely different culture. The revolution of 1789 is embedded deep in their psyche. And is the reason why the government wets its pants whenever there is a mass protest or strike. Also France has memory of the "white" Russians that fled the "red" Russians of the Bolshevik Revolution. And France, though it too has class differences, has not suffered under class exploitation like England., not since 1789.
I don't know if you can find The Great Soviet Encyclopedia in a library anymore, I had access to it, via Pacific Lutheran University. Most revealing. I discovered that Karl Marx was an advocate of Free Trade. I discovered that Adam Smith was a minion of internationalists and was rewarded for his excellent propaganda in the form of Wealth of Nations. I discovered that the Great Soviet Encylopaedia hailed Adam Smith as one of their own and the intellectual father of Marx
Marx labor theory of value is straight out of Adam Smith, a stick in the forest is only a stick, until someone picks it up and fashions it into a cane, thus adding value. And that is true, But value is subjective. I watch American Pickers for amusement and snickers. I watch Frank and Mike pay thousands for junk that I would pay to haul off. I see no value in a rusty old sign with bullet holes.
But others do.
The Bolsheviks went to the extreme of Marxism, in which Marx declared that gold was the standard of value,of declaring a 100% gold standard, where a ruble was defined as .987421 grams of fine gold, thus limiting the amount of rubles in circulation, thus creating a perpetual depression and inhibiting the rise of a middle class of shop keepers, innovators and producers.
If caught smuggling a ruble out of Russia that was a capital offense, because rubles could be presented to their NordBank in Paris and redeemed for gold, which retracted the money supply.
My take about most of the criticism from the left is that people are generally concerned about risks of nuclear war and provocations, but in his exhaustive analysis, professor Timothy Snyder claims that the interest we have in security and avoiding nuclear war is actually better served by supporting Ukraine and helping it in its war against Russia.
There are those wimps on the left who wet their pants when Putin says Nukes, and there are the die hard sentimentalist Marxists who think of Russia as it was under Stalin, a supposedly anti colonial, anti capitalist state.
These a..holes are trying to disarm us by attempting to ridicule the very relevant and pertinent comparison between them and 1938 Europe. We could have stopped Hitler then, but didn't because of the fear of war, a war that came at much greater cost in lives and destruction than it would have if they had taken on Hitler then. But then, Europe was so fatigued from WWI, that it couldn't have beat it self, as evidenced by Dunkirk.
Biden should give Ukraine everything it needs Fight them now so we don't have to later, when it becomes a matter of an existential threat.
Tucker, MTG and the rest see Russia as a white Christian nationalist savior, only Russia isn't necessarily any of those. The white is a minority, the nationalist only exists because of the long reach of Moscow and corruption in the "Stans" and it's Christianity is a myth, most of the Republics are Muslim majority or even pagan.
I think we know by now that what Tucker sells is not reliably what Tucker sees. It's all the Emerald City projected for the manipulation of an audience the MAGA "influencers" themselves see as boobs. Like Sinema, they figure to hitchhike on their masters' gravy train. They don't give a hoot about white, or Christian, or nationalist, or any goddamn savior.
It is not only countries that are lining up on either side
But within ideological preferences there is a division.
The extreme right is Pro Putin, Pro misogynisti, homophobic Russia
The extreme left wing is Pro Russian, because they are still steeped in the Marxist fantasy of bad, unredeeming capitalism, and a nostalgia for Stalinist Russia that they would surrender to the worst murdering, psychopath on the planet today –Putin
I am appalled and concerned that the extreme right and extreme left have line up on the side of Putin.
Especially the left, who are not all concerned about Putin’s murder and imprisonment of journalists and opposition, of squelching of speech, of his latent theocracy, of his misogyny and homophobia. The man is Trump’s role model. And it invaded a basically unarmed neighbor under false pretenses, raped, plundered, tortured it’s citizens and is employing a private mercenary force of convicted murderers and rapists.
The right, yeh, they are theocratic, authoritarian, sexual conflicted psychopathic sociopaths, That is a given, but the left.?
There is a common thread twixt the two and it isn’t ideology, It is emotional commitment to an weltanshauung. A world view that constitutes their very identity. A belief system, how they perceive the world in relation to themselves.
There are precepts held inviolate and sacred, we know what they are on the right, but are reluctant to acknowledge or discuss them on the left.
Putin’s invasion of Russia has brought them out of the closet so to speak.
Without launching into a diatribe, this Wikipedia article best describes them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Thanks for the Wiki cite to "Tankie!" Funny thing is, I was in Paris in 1968, and even in Notre Dame, unforgettable packed in full pomp and overwhelming organ on Liberation from Hitler Day, which was super-intense because of - the tanks, in Prague. The French were very agitated in solidarity with those so near behind the Iron Curtain. Yet this colloquialism had never gotten on my radar. Other funny thing is, I was an early Green Party activist, in the course of which I knew quite a few radicals, eccentrics, esoterics, serious intellectuals (Petaluma Progressives hosted talks by published Marxist Doug Dowd) AND never encountered a "tankie." My anecdotal would be, is this actually a thing?
America has its own version of a Tankie. I think a TANKIE is a Brit thing. The culture of Britain is quite different than that of France. Brits have suffered, though they are inured to the fact,under a rigid class system since the Norman Conquest. As a consequence there arose a Dicksonian ,England. resulting in a Labour Party, and labor strikes, the excesses of capitalism, which resulted in two phenomenon, right wing populism in the form of fascism and left wing populism int he form of Marxism. And there is a form of Marxism that is religious in their opposition to capitalism, which they blame for colonialism. (Colonialism arose millennia before capitalism, Cologne, Germany means Colony, and gets its name from it's Roman founding.
Here in America the Tankies are old line Marxists, they have a nostalgic view of Russia, a religious like belief in Marx. Not realizing that Marx was actually a proto libertarian. The Bolsheviks co opted Marx, made him their own, and were extremists.
I've known and socialized with quite a few in Santa Cruz, CA back in the 80's and 90's.
There still around advocating for Russia, stuck in their nostalgia and religious belief that the only evil in the world is capitalism and the class struggle. They willfully ignore the power of the oligarchs, the institutional corruption, the bribery, the official theft, the persecution and murder of journalists and opposition, the patriarchalism and misogyny of Putin and Russia.
Check this out: Chomsky basically advocating surrender and abandonment, of course they don't come out and say they are Pro Russian, too smart for that, but they come at the issue from the oblique. https://www.google.com/search?q=noam+chmsky+on+ukraine&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=noam+chmsky+on+ukraine&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i512.6784j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fa44da8f,vid:EGZyj-_T6hQ
As regards the Greens. Not sure what to think, but surface opinion is that they are re-branded Marxists.
When I was attending a community college in 1970, I attended a rally in the auditorium put on by the campus communist. His guest speaker proclaimed that they will defeat capitalism by strategic use of environmentalism. (True story) Then I read the book The Greening of America, and we know what has resulted from moving our production facilities off shore, worse world wide pollution, and creation of the Rust Belt which is in large part why Trump became President,as the rust belt/swing states are the electoral votes that put him in office.
France has a completely different culture. The revolution of 1789 is embedded deep in their psyche. And is the reason why the government wets its pants whenever there is a mass protest or strike. Also France has memory of the "white" Russians that fled the "red" Russians of the Bolshevik Revolution. And France, though it too has class differences, has not suffered under class exploitation like England., not since 1789.
I don't know if you can find The Great Soviet Encyclopedia in a library anymore, I had access to it, via Pacific Lutheran University. Most revealing. I discovered that Karl Marx was an advocate of Free Trade. I discovered that Adam Smith was a minion of internationalists and was rewarded for his excellent propaganda in the form of Wealth of Nations. I discovered that the Great Soviet Encylopaedia hailed Adam Smith as one of their own and the intellectual father of Marx
Marx labor theory of value is straight out of Adam Smith, a stick in the forest is only a stick, until someone picks it up and fashions it into a cane, thus adding value. And that is true, But value is subjective. I watch American Pickers for amusement and snickers. I watch Frank and Mike pay thousands for junk that I would pay to haul off. I see no value in a rusty old sign with bullet holes.
But others do.
The Bolsheviks went to the extreme of Marxism, in which Marx declared that gold was the standard of value,of declaring a 100% gold standard, where a ruble was defined as .987421 grams of fine gold, thus limiting the amount of rubles in circulation, thus creating a perpetual depression and inhibiting the rise of a middle class of shop keepers, innovators and producers.
If caught smuggling a ruble out of Russia that was a capital offense, because rubles could be presented to their NordBank in Paris and redeemed for gold, which retracted the money supply.
My take about most of the criticism from the left is that people are generally concerned about risks of nuclear war and provocations, but in his exhaustive analysis, professor Timothy Snyder claims that the interest we have in security and avoiding nuclear war is actually better served by supporting Ukraine and helping it in its war against Russia.
There are those wimps on the left who wet their pants when Putin says Nukes, and there are the die hard sentimentalist Marxists who think of Russia as it was under Stalin, a supposedly anti colonial, anti capitalist state.
These a..holes are trying to disarm us by attempting to ridicule the very relevant and pertinent comparison between them and 1938 Europe. We could have stopped Hitler then, but didn't because of the fear of war, a war that came at much greater cost in lives and destruction than it would have if they had taken on Hitler then. But then, Europe was so fatigued from WWI, that it couldn't have beat it self, as evidenced by Dunkirk.
Biden should give Ukraine everything it needs Fight them now so we don't have to later, when it becomes a matter of an existential threat.
Tucker, MTG and the rest see Russia as a white Christian nationalist savior, only Russia isn't necessarily any of those. The white is a minority, the nationalist only exists because of the long reach of Moscow and corruption in the "Stans" and it's Christianity is a myth, most of the Republics are Muslim majority or even pagan.
I think we know by now that what Tucker sells is not reliably what Tucker sees. It's all the Emerald City projected for the manipulation of an audience the MAGA "influencers" themselves see as boobs. Like Sinema, they figure to hitchhike on their masters' gravy train. They don't give a hoot about white, or Christian, or nationalist, or any goddamn savior.