And Citizens United Healt rolls on. And the Inferior Court of America with its six Catholic Stooges for the rich, the Catholic Bishops of america, and the non-Christian vangelicals rules on. We might need to do something about all this nonsense? Don't you think.
Good comment S Howard, except that the Evangelicals are indeed Christians.
Christianity and Beauty are in the eye of the beholder. That you don't consider Evangelicals Christian is because they don't reflect your values and attitude, so good on you.
But they are as Christian as you. The thing with believers of all stripes is that they are selective in their reading and selective in their beliefs.
The Evangelicals believe in the Jesus of Luke 19:27 Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me. and Luke 22:36 Sell your cloak and buy a sword, whereas your Jesus is the sermon on the mount.
There is something in the bible, old and new, for everyone,, it depends on your cut and paste skills and what you wish to use as a sock puppet.
Today's Christian Fundamentalists are direct ideological descendants of the Puritans. What we were taught about them was a myth that bore no relationship to who and what they really were. Their persecution of Quakers, for example - the most peaceful Christians one could find - was bloody, brutal and ruthless. As per usual, the women were stripped, whipped and sexually shamed. The men were also whipped and many Quakers were hung, while many more were put in prisons and starved to death. But really, anyone with differing ideas was persecuted.
If fear that iIf theocrats regain control, this is the sort of thing we can expect from them.
Excellent article, Thom. Don't know how I missed it. This point, I found very interesting: "It’s estimated that between 5 and 20 percent of all Americans are sadists or have sadistic tendencies, depending on how tightly defined the term is."
My take is that they were raised with brutality. I grew up in a brutal family, the men claimed scriptures gave them the right to beat their wives and children. Most still believe they have this right and that God insists upon it. But they aren't really religious; they don't go to church. They don't support religious causes and they certainly don't model Christian behavior. It's simply about control and power. This is why I don't give them a pass based on widespread right-wing propaganda. They aren't misled. They chose to be violent, controlling bullies and use scripture as justification.
Here we go: from that post:" If reducing the number of abortions was their singular and primary goal, they’d be putting much of their time, effort, and money into sex education, birth control, universal healthcare (particularly for fertility-age women), and government support for low-income families with children. Instead, most in the forced birth movement oppose all of those things." Today's news https://apnews.com/article/arizona-senator-senate-abortion-eva-burch-280e95049fa230e83c6edb3724b244a7#:~:text=Democratic%20Sen.%20Eva%20Burch%20of,pregnancy%20is%20no%20longer%20viable. She is a women's doctor, and one of the things she said to MSNBC was : failed pregnancies are incredibly common. This is an education that has been brought to the front post-Dobbs. Also today's news that there is a new record high number of abortions.
Yes! Somehow, European-descended colonizing not-Americans have never been able to shed the "fundamental" pattern of simultaneously claiming victimhood ("We fled persecution in Europe.") and aggressively pursuing oppression of whatever poor not-them dared to quibble. (I did not know specifically about the Quakers, so I learned something today!) I have repeatedly beaten the drum that I think there is an actual chromosomal link to what has been termed "authoritarianism."( Is that more farfetched than the "Cohen gene?") The DNA predisposition would be concentrated, no matter how faintly, amongst the self-selected fanatics who emigrated to what they assumed (since they were god's chosen!) was a blank slate territory awaiting transformation into a latter-day Promised Land. So I would second your prognostication. Fortunately, genes are flighty, and I seem to have escaped heavy programming on one side. Why the subject has been of interest to me for a long time. On the "nurture" side, maybe big, big education came into play. Very understandable why the Puritans really hate education.
To be honest, I only recently learned about the persecution of the Quakers by the Puritans, but I've known about their beating of children for some time. However, Christians still beat their children, a practice I believe is the root of deep dysfunction in our society. It seems that the persecution of Quakers by the Puritans was primarily because Quakers believed an individual could have a direct relationship with God without going through a priest/pastor. Despite protestations of religious purity, the most logical reason is that this threatened the men who rigidly controlled the community. It was never about God or "righteousness" but then, as now, it was about power over others. In Europe, the Puritans were considered dangerous zealots. To my mind, that is exactly what they were (and still are.) Truly, they terrify me.
Oh, lordy. (To coin a phrase.) "Prime Directive" of medieval Church was, you only get love from Jesus if you pay us! I joke about, don't make me mad, I still hold a grudge about the Siege of Montsegur! Well, some "minds working alike" going on: just moved down to Farrar comment. Voila!
They aren't just using the name Catholic. They are Catholics, and led by the Pope. The inquisition for instance and the massacre of the Cathars
Arnaud Amalric (Latin: Arnoldus Amalricus; died 1225) was a Cistercian abbot who played a prominent role in the Albigensian Crusade. It is reported that prior to the massacre of Béziers, Amalric, when asked how to distinguish Cathars from Catholics, responded, "Kill them [all], for God knows which are His own."
The last victim of the Inquisition Cayetano Ripol was burned on (July 26) in 1826
In 1307 Pope Clement V conspired with Francis II of France to kill the Knights Templar.
Popee Leo "The Great" threw Manicheans to the lions with all of the glee once reserved for Christians. A Manichean priest that the church subsequently named the Great one or St Augustine, saw the deed and saw the light and became a Christian, then with the help of a monk by the name of Jerome, helped write the (Latin Vulgte) Bible, ensuring that Manichean concepts like good god, bad god, heaven and hell were enshrined as doctrine.
Henry VIIII and his daughter Elizabeth I, burned and beheaded Catholics, then Henry's Catholic daughter Marry when she ascended the throne did the same to Anglicans.
Thanks! Things old are indeed new again. But I had it that it was Simon de Montfort at Montsegur with the infamous papal guidance. Must have a book around here somewhere. You know, those things made out of piled-up paper? Huh. Just joking. Same point, regarding evil of exclusive marketing rights for god....
Thanks I had for decades thought the same, but I couldn't remember his name, and when I googled it, surprise, Arnaud Almaric came up. So I went with that, much more likely.
Off hand, I suspect that some clergy, blamed it on Montfort rather than a rep of the church
Thank you Dawna, very clear provenance. It always astounds me the foul nature and behavior of those who have political and economic power and their affinity to reduce the quality of life/survival of less secure citizens. Astounding.
This is the second time today I've had to remark that MAGATs are so snookered, if not suicidal, that many on SSI vote for a party that wants to end it.
90% vote against their own economic and physical health.
Daniel, I know you are familar with tikum olam, the Hebrew saying for Repair the World, your site is that, only more local, as it should be. We have to start at home, before we can repair the world. It is a tall order.
The term is new to me, but has resonance, so I’ll have to buy the book. TY
And Citizens United Healt rolls on. And the Inferior Court of America with its six Catholic Stooges for the rich, the Catholic Bishops of america, and the non-Christian vangelicals rules on. We might need to do something about all this nonsense? Don't you think.
Good comment S Howard, except that the Evangelicals are indeed Christians.
Christianity and Beauty are in the eye of the beholder. That you don't consider Evangelicals Christian is because they don't reflect your values and attitude, so good on you.
But they are as Christian as you. The thing with believers of all stripes is that they are selective in their reading and selective in their beliefs.
The Evangelicals believe in the Jesus of Luke 19:27 Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me. and Luke 22:36 Sell your cloak and buy a sword, whereas your Jesus is the sermon on the mount.
There is something in the bible, old and new, for everyone,, it depends on your cut and paste skills and what you wish to use as a sock puppet.
Today's Christian Fundamentalists are direct ideological descendants of the Puritans. What we were taught about them was a myth that bore no relationship to who and what they really were. Their persecution of Quakers, for example - the most peaceful Christians one could find - was bloody, brutal and ruthless. As per usual, the women were stripped, whipped and sexually shamed. The men were also whipped and many Quakers were hung, while many more were put in prisons and starved to death. But really, anyone with differing ideas was persecuted.
If fear that iIf theocrats regain control, this is the sort of thing we can expect from them.
Amen!
https://hartmannreport.com/p/do-religious-sadists-want-to-see
Excellent article, Thom. Don't know how I missed it. This point, I found very interesting: "It’s estimated that between 5 and 20 percent of all Americans are sadists or have sadistic tendencies, depending on how tightly defined the term is."
My take is that they were raised with brutality. I grew up in a brutal family, the men claimed scriptures gave them the right to beat their wives and children. Most still believe they have this right and that God insists upon it. But they aren't really religious; they don't go to church. They don't support religious causes and they certainly don't model Christian behavior. It's simply about control and power. This is why I don't give them a pass based on widespread right-wing propaganda. They aren't misled. They chose to be violent, controlling bullies and use scripture as justification.
Here we go: from that post:" If reducing the number of abortions was their singular and primary goal, they’d be putting much of their time, effort, and money into sex education, birth control, universal healthcare (particularly for fertility-age women), and government support for low-income families with children. Instead, most in the forced birth movement oppose all of those things." Today's news https://apnews.com/article/arizona-senator-senate-abortion-eva-burch-280e95049fa230e83c6edb3724b244a7#:~:text=Democratic%20Sen.%20Eva%20Burch%20of,pregnancy%20is%20no%20longer%20viable. She is a women's doctor, and one of the things she said to MSNBC was : failed pregnancies are incredibly common. This is an education that has been brought to the front post-Dobbs. Also today's news that there is a new record high number of abortions.
Yes! Somehow, European-descended colonizing not-Americans have never been able to shed the "fundamental" pattern of simultaneously claiming victimhood ("We fled persecution in Europe.") and aggressively pursuing oppression of whatever poor not-them dared to quibble. (I did not know specifically about the Quakers, so I learned something today!) I have repeatedly beaten the drum that I think there is an actual chromosomal link to what has been termed "authoritarianism."( Is that more farfetched than the "Cohen gene?") The DNA predisposition would be concentrated, no matter how faintly, amongst the self-selected fanatics who emigrated to what they assumed (since they were god's chosen!) was a blank slate territory awaiting transformation into a latter-day Promised Land. So I would second your prognostication. Fortunately, genes are flighty, and I seem to have escaped heavy programming on one side. Why the subject has been of interest to me for a long time. On the "nurture" side, maybe big, big education came into play. Very understandable why the Puritans really hate education.
To be honest, I only recently learned about the persecution of the Quakers by the Puritans, but I've known about their beating of children for some time. However, Christians still beat their children, a practice I believe is the root of deep dysfunction in our society. It seems that the persecution of Quakers by the Puritans was primarily because Quakers believed an individual could have a direct relationship with God without going through a priest/pastor. Despite protestations of religious purity, the most logical reason is that this threatened the men who rigidly controlled the community. It was never about God or "righteousness" but then, as now, it was about power over others. In Europe, the Puritans were considered dangerous zealots. To my mind, that is exactly what they were (and still are.) Truly, they terrify me.
Oh, lordy. (To coin a phrase.) "Prime Directive" of medieval Church was, you only get love from Jesus if you pay us! I joke about, don't make me mad, I still hold a grudge about the Siege of Montsegur! Well, some "minds working alike" going on: just moved down to Farrar comment. Voila!
Yes strict enforcement of separation of Church and state. Prosecute any member of Congress who violated their oath to our Constitution for starters.
Greedy, evil people have been using the name, "Catholic" for hundreds of years to mask their intentions.
They aren't just using the name Catholic. They are Catholics, and led by the Pope. The inquisition for instance and the massacre of the Cathars
Arnaud Amalric (Latin: Arnoldus Amalricus; died 1225) was a Cistercian abbot who played a prominent role in the Albigensian Crusade. It is reported that prior to the massacre of Béziers, Amalric, when asked how to distinguish Cathars from Catholics, responded, "Kill them [all], for God knows which are His own."
The last victim of the Inquisition Cayetano Ripol was burned on (July 26) in 1826
In 1307 Pope Clement V conspired with Francis II of France to kill the Knights Templar.
Popee Leo "The Great" threw Manicheans to the lions with all of the glee once reserved for Christians. A Manichean priest that the church subsequently named the Great one or St Augustine, saw the deed and saw the light and became a Christian, then with the help of a monk by the name of Jerome, helped write the (Latin Vulgte) Bible, ensuring that Manichean concepts like good god, bad god, heaven and hell were enshrined as doctrine.
Henry VIIII and his daughter Elizabeth I, burned and beheaded Catholics, then Henry's Catholic daughter Marry when she ascended the throne did the same to Anglicans.
Then the 100 years war
So you agree with me.
If that is what you are saying, yes.
Thanks! Things old are indeed new again. But I had it that it was Simon de Montfort at Montsegur with the infamous papal guidance. Must have a book around here somewhere. You know, those things made out of piled-up paper? Huh. Just joking. Same point, regarding evil of exclusive marketing rights for god....
Thanks I had for decades thought the same, but I couldn't remember his name, and when I googled it, surprise, Arnaud Almaric came up. So I went with that, much more likely.
Off hand, I suspect that some clergy, blamed it on Montfort rather than a rep of the church
Here is his bio per Encyclopedia Brittanica https://www.britannica.com/biography/Simon-de-Montfort
Here is wikipedia on Arnaud Almaric, and the quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric
Thank you Dawna, very clear provenance. It always astounds me the foul nature and behavior of those who have political and economic power and their affinity to reduce the quality of life/survival of less secure citizens. Astounding.
This is the second time today I've had to remark that MAGATs are so snookered, if not suicidal, that many on SSI vote for a party that wants to end it.
90% vote against their own economic and physical health.
Here's my thought for the day. If we can't convince the victims, we have the means to save the world. https://danielsolomon.substack.com/p/register-democrats-save-the-world?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=742145&post_id=142824253&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=zc69i&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Daniel, I know you are familar with tikum olam, the Hebrew saying for Repair the World, your site is that, only more local, as it should be. We have to start at home, before we can repair the world. It is a tall order.
US first in the world's service.
Exactly, the world certainly does not repairing.
The hat says: MABR: Make America a Banana Republic.