This is one of my Favorites,Thom, and we really need your help in Understanding how we got to this place, with regards to Voting. You have a gifted way of writing, to your reader, like your speaking just to them. The Hidden History book collection is a National Treasure, and should be in Every School in America. Thank You,Thom, will reStack ASAP 💯👍🇺🇸💙🌊
It actually should be that way, but we can guarantee the Republicans will never cooperate because they no longer believe in the constitution, but in dictatorship.
2. Please repeatedly post "not suckers or losers" comments in social media. According to Facebook, there are 4 million veterans and active duty members on Facebook, as well as 12.5 million family members and 242 million friends with veterans or active duty members. Military sites, veterans' organizations, historical sites.
Vote vets has already flipped many 2016 and 2020 Trump voters.
3. It's up to people like you who are on social media.... when you comment you'll see what I mean. Many of the people involved are dependents, family members, friends and neighbors who are interested in the military and or national security and for whom this is news. Takes repetition and substantiation by people they trust.
I don’t have a huge social media footprint. Times like these, that makes me a bit sad … I do talk to people on these kinds of threads, though. Yet, I feel like I’m preaching to the choir, since they are mostly liberal threads …
On one though — advocating votes for Stein — I have been quite vocal of late. I did mention that I participate in various discussions on Mr. Hartmann’s treads to them once, and someone said Thom Hartmann has been coopted by the Democratic machine. Gad. It’s hard to talk to people who immediately discount anything you say, if you disagree with them.
Same here Pat, Other than this and Thom Hartmann's substack I have zero social media presence and also no cell phone or tablet and I like it that way. Heck I didn't have a wrist watch until last Xmas, and wife bought me one that tells me how many hours I sleep, my heart rate and blood glucose (the last is inaccurate but still within range). and a hundred other things that are of no interest.
I have an ad blocker (program and chrome settings) and can't watch youtube unless I disable.I have blocked over 800,000 ads so far, and millions of cookies.
WHEN Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are elected next week {!!!! HOPINGGGG!!!}, and we are secure in knowing that court challenges are going nowhere … that would be a good time to start this ball rolling again … Get a “Right to Vote” amendment, so they can’t abridge it again by changing the laws …. Or reinterpreting in the SCOTUS.
IMHO the polls are oblivious to Gen Z. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, David Hogg coming to the rescue. According to the most recent Harvard study, they come in at 60% Harris, 32% Trump. Trend is for more....
In some states, early voting, women are close to 60% of the electorate.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
IMHO US citizens had the same rights as British yeomen and the 9th Amendment refers to existing British statutory and common law and certain voting rights are incorporated as if by reference.
The Magna Carta was issued in June 1215 and was the first document to put into writing the principle that the king and his government was not above the law. The British Bill of Rights 1689: An Act declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subject, and settling the Succession of the Crown. It established the right to elect members of Parliament without interference from the monarch.
It didn't precisely state who could vote... but United Kingdom general elections (elections for the House of Commons) have occurred since the first in 1802. In order to vote, a person had to own property or pay certain taxes to qualify, which excluded most working class people.
The same was true on a state level. At the time of the Constitutional Convention, the convention was not referred to as a constitutional convention. It was contemporarily known as the Federal Convention the Philadelphia Convention, or the Grand Convention at Philadelphia. Nor did most of the delegates arrive intending to draft a new constitution. Many assumed that the purpose of the convention was to discuss and draft improvements to the existing Articles of Confederation, and would not have agreed to participate otherwise. Once the convention began, however, most of the delegates – though not all – came to agree in general terms that the goal would be a new system of government, not simply a revised version of the Articles of Confederation.
"In Pa. Philadelphia County and City Election Notice, 13 October (1786)
"Public notice is hereby given, to the freemen of the city and county of Philadelphia,
"That in obedience to a resolve of the General Assembly of the State of Pennsylvania of the 29th day of September last to choose suitable persons to serve as deputies in a convention on the Federal Constitution,
A general election is to be held for the city and county aforesaid, on Tuesday the sixth day of November next, for the purpose aforesaid and at the several places in the said city and county as are fixed by law for holding the elections of representatives to the General Assembly, and that said election is to be conducted by the officers who conducted the last general election and agreeable to the rules and regulations thereof, and at which places the electors of the city and county are to choose five persons for the city, and five persons for the county, to serve in a state convention."
At the time "freemen" were taxpaying male landowners. The Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776 gave the right to vote to men who met the following criteria:
*Were at least 21 years old
*Had lived in the state for at least one year before the election
Although an aristocrat, Pierce Butler became a leading spokesman for the frontiersmen and impoverished western settlers. Always a forceful and eloquent advocate of the rights of the common man during the debate over the Constitution, he ironically was also the owner of a sizable number of slaves.
Too many {I believe deluded} people are calling for a constitutional convention these days to address issues we all would like to see addressed, and I think that is an incredibly dangerous proposition, for reasons exactly as you state about the convention to address shortcomings in the Articles of Confederation, Daniel. Once the convention starts, all bets are off, and the entire constitution is up for grabs.
I totally agree, people for a Constitutional convention aren't thinking things through, and appear to be of the mind, that every one else is of the same mind as them. And we know that isn't Red States outnumber Blue States. Republicans though a minority, exercise majority control.
Thanks Daniel, and I take note, that race was not mentioned, in fact in the 1789 election black men and women could vote, at least in New Jersey, until the right was stripped from them by state law in 1807
The Constitution of the United States recognizes that the states have the power to set voting requirements. A few states allowed free Black men to vote, and New Jersey also included unmarried and widowed women who owned property.[1] Generally, states limited this right to property-owning or tax-paying white males (about 6% of the population).[2]
Georgia removes property requirement for voting.[3]
1790s
1790
The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows free white persons born outside of the United States to become citizens. However, since each state set its own requirements for voting, this Act (and its successor Naturalization Act of 1795) did not automatically grant these naturalized citizens the right to vote.[4]
1791
Vermont is admitted as a new state, giving the vote to all men regardless of color or property ownership.[5]
1792
New Hampshire removes property ownership as requirement to vote.[6]
Kentucky is admitted as a new state, giving the vote to free men regardless of color or property ownership, although the vote would shortly be taken away from free Black people.[5]
Delaware removes property ownership as requirement to vote, but continues to require that voters pay taxes.[3]
1798
Georgia removes tax requirement for voting.[3]
1800
Only three states, Kentucky, New Hampshire, and Vermont, had universal white male suffrage.[7]
1807
Voting rights are taken away from free black men and all women in New Jersey.[1]
Jan 20,2021Chuck Schumer of New York took on the role of Senate Majority Leader, taking the title away from Republican Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky as Democrats regained control of both congressional chambers for the first time since 2011.
From Jan 20th, 2021 until Jan 3rd, 2022 the Democrats controlled Congress and the Executive
They could have passed all the legislation including Mark Pocans bill, they did pass the Respect for Marriage Act, but did not even consider federalizing women's rights, But did nothing as regards
legislation as regards rights, because a cowardly Chuck Schumer, would not exercise the nuclear option and kill the filibuster. the American Rescue Plan, CHIPS and Science Act, and IRA all had incentives that benefited corporations and the economy, but culture issues are hands off.
I am voting for Kamala, but am hoping that pressure is put on and maintained to reverse the right ward trend of the Supreme Court., and our society.
It is easy to blame the MAGAts for doing what they are programmed and expected to do, but what about the leadership who had the intel and the chance to stop the MAGA obstruction, and chose not to do anything.
If Eisenhower was of that mentality, there would never have been a D Day.
Schumer, in his cowardice (or complicity) could have prevented all of this, what we need is real leadership in Congress But I fear it is too late, infamy falls not only on those who did the deed, but falls on those that could have stopped the deed,but chose not to. Like Neville Chamberlain, who is as responsible for WWII as Adolph Hitler.Hitler could have been stopped in 1938.
Like Biden, too much time in the comity circus, like Biden an institutionalist, problem is that institution has been replaced by a Chamber of Deputies.
Why this isn’t the law is why America is a failing nation. With only 61 electoral college EC votes needed from States to abolish the EC this issue would be a moot point and the first national public popular vote would be the law.
Each state has a number of electoral college votes and we are 61 votes shy from those states to put into law the popular vote bill. Won’t happen this election but should be first and center moving forward.
What we have here, is a failure to stop the tyranny of the majority by the minority. The founding fathers always knew that there would be fewer rich Americans than there would be poorer Americans, so they devised a way to rig the elections in favor of the rich. The rural voters are just along for the ride. Some of them enjoy tyrannizing the city folk a little too much though!
Criminals locked up in prison should be allowed to vote. They have had plenty of time thinking of how they got so insane, and may actually want to help by enlightening others. I think the really bad ones would vote for Trump though? Most of them who needed a daddy figure anyway. Thanks for faith not fact religions interfering with rational thought by introducing them to the supernatural at too young of an age, under 35!
All Americans have been traumatized by the rich and the religious right wingers. This society is founded on unlimited greed, phony religions and poor parenting. Throw in financial insecurity and you have a recipe for insanity! Global warming, overpopulation, fascism, hatred, alcohol and drug abuse, homelessness, nuclear and non-nuclear wars, toxic chemicals... Many Americans believe that this is normal, but it is abnormal! Lies corrupt your soul and your being! We need to flog all liars to stop the spread of mental illness, not let them run the country?
Thank you, Captain my Captain for always giving us the facts. Voting early next week. Mr. Lewis would appreciate that. The vote! The best Thom. I, ain’t gonna let nobody turn me round. Keep on walking, keep on talking, marching on to freedom land! The Kamala Affect, let’s win this! Mrs Obama yesterday in Michigan for Kamala! Thom she laid out all the important bad things about Trump and I do mean laid them out, Thom. Brilliant stuff! Hope you caught it.
The current situation is so favorable to Republicans, they will NEVER agree to get rid of it. The only hope is Democrats winning all three branches, along with super majorities in Congress.
Accomplishing these reforms and clarifications, as well as many other necessary reforms, requires a Democratic majority in Congress. It disturbs me that we hear so little about the necessity to VOTE BLUE STRAIT TICKET in the current campaigns. Without a congress to work with, Kamala Harris's presidency may become Clinton/Obama redux. It still astonishes me to recall Mitch McConnell's reaction to Obama's 64% victory: to obstruct anything and everything his administration would try to accomplish and "make him a one-term president." That was simply flipping the bird to 64% of the voting public. This time around likely would be even more destructive with the GOP in control.
This is one of my Favorites,Thom, and we really need your help in Understanding how we got to this place, with regards to Voting. You have a gifted way of writing, to your reader, like your speaking just to them. The Hidden History book collection is a National Treasure, and should be in Every School in America. Thank You,Thom, will reStack ASAP 💯👍🇺🇸💙🌊
It actually should be that way, but we can guarantee the Republicans will never cooperate because they no longer believe in the constitution, but in dictatorship.
When we sweep, after the blue tsunami, no problem.
REPRISE:
1. Uncle Sam needs you! https://www.mobilize.us/ (And me.)
2. Please repeatedly post "not suckers or losers" comments in social media. According to Facebook, there are 4 million veterans and active duty members on Facebook, as well as 12.5 million family members and 242 million friends with veterans or active duty members. Military sites, veterans' organizations, historical sites.
Vote vets has already flipped many 2016 and 2020 Trump voters.
3. It's up to people like you who are on social media.... when you comment you'll see what I mean. Many of the people involved are dependents, family members, friends and neighbors who are interested in the military and or national security and for whom this is news. Takes repetition and substantiation by people they trust.
I don’t have a huge social media footprint. Times like these, that makes me a bit sad … I do talk to people on these kinds of threads, though. Yet, I feel like I’m preaching to the choir, since they are mostly liberal threads …
On one though — advocating votes for Stein — I have been quite vocal of late. I did mention that I participate in various discussions on Mr. Hartmann’s treads to them once, and someone said Thom Hartmann has been coopted by the Democratic machine. Gad. It’s hard to talk to people who immediately discount anything you say, if you disagree with them.
I’m worried.
But hopeful.
And still worried.
Same here Pat, Other than this and Thom Hartmann's substack I have zero social media presence and also no cell phone or tablet and I like it that way. Heck I didn't have a wrist watch until last Xmas, and wife bought me one that tells me how many hours I sleep, my heart rate and blood glucose (the last is inaccurate but still within range). and a hundred other things that are of no interest.
Try comments on Youtube.
YESSS, thanks…
I have an ad blocker (program and chrome settings) and can't watch youtube unless I disable.I have blocked over 800,000 ads so far, and millions of cookies.
Go to media sites.
WHEN Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are elected next week {!!!! HOPINGGGG!!!}, and we are secure in knowing that court challenges are going nowhere … that would be a good time to start this ball rolling again … Get a “Right to Vote” amendment, so they can’t abridge it again by changing the laws …. Or reinterpreting in the SCOTUS.
{Does anybody think it could work? HOPINGGGGGGG!}
We need to control Congress, both houses,and the Senate is looking dicey.
IMHO the polls are oblivious to Gen Z. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, David Hogg coming to the rescue. According to the most recent Harvard study, they come in at 60% Harris, 32% Trump. Trend is for more....
In some states, early voting, women are close to 60% of the electorate.
Ninth Amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
IMHO US citizens had the same rights as British yeomen and the 9th Amendment refers to existing British statutory and common law and certain voting rights are incorporated as if by reference.
The Magna Carta was issued in June 1215 and was the first document to put into writing the principle that the king and his government was not above the law. The British Bill of Rights 1689: An Act declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subject, and settling the Succession of the Crown. It established the right to elect members of Parliament without interference from the monarch.
It didn't precisely state who could vote... but United Kingdom general elections (elections for the House of Commons) have occurred since the first in 1802. In order to vote, a person had to own property or pay certain taxes to qualify, which excluded most working class people.
The same was true on a state level. At the time of the Constitutional Convention, the convention was not referred to as a constitutional convention. It was contemporarily known as the Federal Convention the Philadelphia Convention, or the Grand Convention at Philadelphia. Nor did most of the delegates arrive intending to draft a new constitution. Many assumed that the purpose of the convention was to discuss and draft improvements to the existing Articles of Confederation, and would not have agreed to participate otherwise. Once the convention began, however, most of the delegates – though not all – came to agree in general terms that the goal would be a new system of government, not simply a revised version of the Articles of Confederation.
"In Pa. Philadelphia County and City Election Notice, 13 October (1786)
"Public notice is hereby given, to the freemen of the city and county of Philadelphia,
"That in obedience to a resolve of the General Assembly of the State of Pennsylvania of the 29th day of September last to choose suitable persons to serve as deputies in a convention on the Federal Constitution,
A general election is to be held for the city and county aforesaid, on Tuesday the sixth day of November next, for the purpose aforesaid and at the several places in the said city and county as are fixed by law for holding the elections of representatives to the General Assembly, and that said election is to be conducted by the officers who conducted the last general election and agreeable to the rules and regulations thereof, and at which places the electors of the city and county are to choose five persons for the city, and five persons for the county, to serve in a state convention."
At the time "freemen" were taxpaying male landowners. The Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776 gave the right to vote to men who met the following criteria:
*Were at least 21 years old
*Had lived in the state for at least one year before the election
*Had paid public taxes during that time
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/constitutionalconvention-august7.htm
Although an aristocrat, Pierce Butler became a leading spokesman for the frontiersmen and impoverished western settlers. Always a forceful and eloquent advocate of the rights of the common man during the debate over the Constitution, he ironically was also the owner of a sizable number of slaves.
Too many {I believe deluded} people are calling for a constitutional convention these days to address issues we all would like to see addressed, and I think that is an incredibly dangerous proposition, for reasons exactly as you state about the convention to address shortcomings in the Articles of Confederation, Daniel. Once the convention starts, all bets are off, and the entire constitution is up for grabs.
Scary damned proposition, to my mind.
I totally agree, people for a Constitutional convention aren't thinking things through, and appear to be of the mind, that every one else is of the same mind as them. And we know that isn't Red States outnumber Blue States. Republicans though a minority, exercise majority control.
Thanks Daniel, and I take note, that race was not mentioned, in fact in the 1789 election black men and women could vote, at least in New Jersey, until the right was stripped from them by state law in 1807
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States
The Constitution of the United States recognizes that the states have the power to set voting requirements. A few states allowed free Black men to vote, and New Jersey also included unmarried and widowed women who owned property.[1] Generally, states limited this right to property-owning or tax-paying white males (about 6% of the population).[2]
Georgia removes property requirement for voting.[3]
1790s
1790
The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows free white persons born outside of the United States to become citizens. However, since each state set its own requirements for voting, this Act (and its successor Naturalization Act of 1795) did not automatically grant these naturalized citizens the right to vote.[4]
1791
Vermont is admitted as a new state, giving the vote to all men regardless of color or property ownership.[5]
1792
New Hampshire removes property ownership as requirement to vote.[6]
Kentucky is admitted as a new state, giving the vote to free men regardless of color or property ownership, although the vote would shortly be taken away from free Black people.[5]
Delaware removes property ownership as requirement to vote, but continues to require that voters pay taxes.[3]
1798
Georgia removes tax requirement for voting.[3]
1800
Only three states, Kentucky, New Hampshire, and Vermont, had universal white male suffrage.[7]
1807
Voting rights are taken away from free black men and all women in New Jersey.[1]
Blacks and Jews could vote in Pennsylvania.
Catholics could not take the oath in most colonies and states.
Did not know that Daniel.
Jan 20,2021Chuck Schumer of New York took on the role of Senate Majority Leader, taking the title away from Republican Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky as Democrats regained control of both congressional chambers for the first time since 2011.
From Jan 20th, 2021 until Jan 3rd, 2022 the Democrats controlled Congress and the Executive
They could have passed all the legislation including Mark Pocans bill, they did pass the Respect for Marriage Act, but did not even consider federalizing women's rights, But did nothing as regards
legislation as regards rights, because a cowardly Chuck Schumer, would not exercise the nuclear option and kill the filibuster. the American Rescue Plan, CHIPS and Science Act, and IRA all had incentives that benefited corporations and the economy, but culture issues are hands off.
I am voting for Kamala, but am hoping that pressure is put on and maintained to reverse the right ward trend of the Supreme Court., and our society.
It is easy to blame the MAGAts for doing what they are programmed and expected to do, but what about the leadership who had the intel and the chance to stop the MAGA obstruction, and chose not to do anything.
If Eisenhower was of that mentality, there would never have been a D Day.
Schumer, in his cowardice (or complicity) could have prevented all of this, what we need is real leadership in Congress But I fear it is too late, infamy falls not only on those who did the deed, but falls on those that could have stopped the deed,but chose not to. Like Neville Chamberlain, who is as responsible for WWII as Adolph Hitler.Hitler could have been stopped in 1938.
Schumer has problems herding cats. However, if Sunset Rick Scott, Cruz and Hawley are displaced...... I also support Katrina Christiansen.
Like Biden, too much time in the comity circus, like Biden an institutionalist, problem is that institution has been replaced by a Chamber of Deputies.
Why this isn’t the law is why America is a failing nation. With only 61 electoral college EC votes needed from States to abolish the EC this issue would be a moot point and the first national public popular vote would be the law.
Where is it that the EC can be abolished with 61 EC votes?. AFIK the electoral college has one function and that is to vote for President.
Each state has a number of electoral college votes and we are 61 votes shy from those states to put into law the popular vote bill. Won’t happen this election but should be first and center moving forward.
What we have here, is a failure to stop the tyranny of the majority by the minority. The founding fathers always knew that there would be fewer rich Americans than there would be poorer Americans, so they devised a way to rig the elections in favor of the rich. The rural voters are just along for the ride. Some of them enjoy tyrannizing the city folk a little too much though!
Criminals locked up in prison should be allowed to vote. They have had plenty of time thinking of how they got so insane, and may actually want to help by enlightening others. I think the really bad ones would vote for Trump though? Most of them who needed a daddy figure anyway. Thanks for faith not fact religions interfering with rational thought by introducing them to the supernatural at too young of an age, under 35!
All Americans have been traumatized by the rich and the religious right wingers. This society is founded on unlimited greed, phony religions and poor parenting. Throw in financial insecurity and you have a recipe for insanity! Global warming, overpopulation, fascism, hatred, alcohol and drug abuse, homelessness, nuclear and non-nuclear wars, toxic chemicals... Many Americans believe that this is normal, but it is abnormal! Lies corrupt your soul and your being! We need to flog all liars to stop the spread of mental illness, not let them run the country?
Thank you, Captain my Captain for always giving us the facts. Voting early next week. Mr. Lewis would appreciate that. The vote! The best Thom. I, ain’t gonna let nobody turn me round. Keep on walking, keep on talking, marching on to freedom land! The Kamala Affect, let’s win this! Mrs Obama yesterday in Michigan for Kamala! Thom she laid out all the important bad things about Trump and I do mean laid them out, Thom. Brilliant stuff! Hope you caught it.
A Trump victory celebrated by: https://substack.com/redirect/68f7f164-8722-4d99-9712-154ff2151700?j=eyJ1IjoiOXE4cnQifQ.YAOSaET0McDn2wNECYwcXHnSRpvwWeVOsssUTlQRVEs
Lol.
Trump could not push a wheelbarrow full of tissues.
The current situation is so favorable to Republicans, they will NEVER agree to get rid of it. The only hope is Democrats winning all three branches, along with super majorities in Congress.
Accomplishing these reforms and clarifications, as well as many other necessary reforms, requires a Democratic majority in Congress. It disturbs me that we hear so little about the necessity to VOTE BLUE STRAIT TICKET in the current campaigns. Without a congress to work with, Kamala Harris's presidency may become Clinton/Obama redux. It still astonishes me to recall Mitch McConnell's reaction to Obama's 64% victory: to obstruct anything and everything his administration would try to accomplish and "make him a one-term president." That was simply flipping the bird to 64% of the voting public. This time around likely would be even more destructive with the GOP in control.