And now that I have read it, you are right, on every point. With women graduating from colleges at a higher rate than men, it’s time to shove us back into second class citizenship. I’m going to be 70 this year and I know that’s damn old. Back in the day, a married woman could not get credit on her own. There was very little day care avai…
And now that I have read it, you are right, on every point. With women graduating from colleges at a higher rate than men, it’s time to shove us back into second class citizenship. I’m going to be 70 this year and I know that’s damn old. Back in the day, a married woman could not get credit on her own. There was very little day care available, and only women whose husbands were poor providers worked outside the home. Having a child without being married was “out of wedlock.” Abusive spouses were rarely reported, same with child abuse. Going to college was for getting your Mrs degree. Misogyny was accepted as normal though the language was less crude. In the 80’s I worked for a progressive company that allowed pictures of nude women to hang in the service department. The company where I did my internship paid women substantially less than men because we were secondary earners(I.e. wives). Gotta stop, my blood pressure can’t take it!
Yep. I’m 10 years younger than you at 60. But even so when I was 21 I had to fight to get a credit card in my name and was not successful. Even though I was employed with a steady income and no missed payment or delinquency issues, since I was not married, the only way they would give me one was if my father signed for me or my 16 year old brother! While either of them likely would have signed for me, I refused to do it. Finally a few years later, after I moved to a different area where the attitudes toward women were more flexible I was able to get one in my own name without a male co-signer’s signature. When I bought my first house, the mortgage paperwork signature block listed my name and then labeled me as “an unmarried woman”. I asked them if they included the label “unmarried man” on single male mortgage signers and was told no, they didn’t. When I balked at signing it with the label they said I could take it or leave it but they weren’t changing it. They were sure they could sell the house to a more cooperative person. I signed the damn thing, but now almost 30 years later it still pisses me off when thinking about it. It seems our currency situation is attempting to set us back even further than that and it makes me nauseous with anger.
To you and Laurie both: I just turned 70 and it is hard to see "civilization" deteriorating. Yet not that far back to fall, scarily. Remember: we females were only considered human enough to vote in 1920. Black men had been enfranchised 50 years before. Susan B. Anthony couldn't testify in her defense when charged with criminal voting because no female was legally competent to be a witness at law. So recently, women couldn't own property, couldn't inherit, had no rights to the children of their body, and marriage was legal sex-slavery. So I guess we have made some headway, but how trivial a distance in historical time to fall back!
You are not damn old. You're a whipper snapper. My wife turns 70 in three weeks, I turn 83 this week. :)
It seems little has changed since I was a teen. My mother was an account analysis at a bank, she kept training new analysts (men) who subsequently got pay raises, while she did not. she earned $1.00 an hour (single mom with three kids) for year.
When she asked why the men she trained were getting raises and she not, the response was "they have families". Her response, "so do I and three children", Her supervisors retort was "find a husband". She was not about to subject us kids to a strange man that would take over the household.
Good grief! What a story! My take on the issue is, how recently we clawed up to at least "woke" about the status of females. And yet females can be enforcers against their own "uppity" kind. My Mom(is she famous here yet?) was p'd off when PG&E wouldn't take her (college instructor) co-sign for my first electric bill: had to be Dad: She railed interminably about how the "lazy" male coaches got paid more than the "hard-working" women sports and PE teachers. Yet Gloria Steinem was second only to Ralph Nader (seat belts) on her hate list, and she railed against "shrill" women with bullhorns (Vietnam) and how hippy women were even more debased than men, and in the context of abortion, "sluts" was one of her favorite words.
That is something that has always chapped my behind as well-the women that fight against and place obstacles in the path of other women. While I do not agree with it, I kind of understand the resistance from men. They see it as losing status and power. But why would women resist? That feels like an even worse betrayal to me. I came to the conclusion that those types of women have been indoctrinated so completely into the patriarchal system they can’t even conceive of anything else. They must, perhaps subconsciously realize they are only “borrowing” power from men. And so they fight tooth and nail for men and the status quo even when it means fighting against their own rights. The name Phyllis Schlafly still makes my lip curl up in a snarl.
It wasn't all that long ago when a woman's only identity was from her husband or father. To feel better perhaps or for her own protection she had to be her husband's or father's willing follower and always defend him, not herself. I love reading history, but it's pretty glum where women are even mentioned. I hear you. Ruthie B
Phyliss Schafly is the reasonwe don't have an Equal Rights Amendment, She campaigned against it. Schafly, Boebert, MTG, ACB perceive themselves as beneficiaries of the status quo.
Like Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott and every gay Republican very comfortable as "house slaves". KIssing the masters ass, brings rewards, better pay, jobs, fame, career advancement and for women, the safety and security she perceives she will enjoy as a Handmaiden,, until her protector and provider tires of her and trades her in. Then she will see the error of her ways...Met quite a few like that.
Yes. I’ve seen it too. Many women, even after their male partners have traded them in for newer, younger models, attack and denigrate the new woman rather than the male partner and rather than acknowledging the patriarchal system than not only allows it but in many ways encourages it.
That is the problem with America today. Although my mom suffered discrimination, she was a Republican and was like your mom. For full disclosure. I am a Viet Nam vet, and retired officer.
I hated those hippies with bull horn, felt they were a bunch of commies. They were basically students in the sway of commie professors (yes there were quite a few). However as my cloistered life expanded after retirement and I met lefties like the Weather Underground and SDS My attitude about the war changed. It was not a war to stop communist expansion. In fact Vietnam, after the fall of Saigon, kick the ass of China and liberated Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge those are not the only opinions changed.
We are products of our time, and the propaganda of the time.
Yes. I was asked in a job interview once, “Why are you here wasting my time and trying to take a man’s job? You need to get married. You don’t need a job.”
And the corporate media,talking heads, pundits, opinion pages keep trying to brainwash us that things are getting better.
And it just isn't gender discrimination. I would not want to be a black person, especially a kid, in this environment. It is getting worse and not better, and I blame Fox and the misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment. The 1st amendment does not give anyone, including corporations the right to say anything they want, it says that CONGRESS shall make no law,. Nothing in there about states, people, corporations, and that is why DeSantis is banning speech and books, because he is not Congress, and the politicians know that and do nothing, otherwise they would be embarrassed
And now that I have read it, you are right, on every point. With women graduating from colleges at a higher rate than men, it’s time to shove us back into second class citizenship. I’m going to be 70 this year and I know that’s damn old. Back in the day, a married woman could not get credit on her own. There was very little day care available, and only women whose husbands were poor providers worked outside the home. Having a child without being married was “out of wedlock.” Abusive spouses were rarely reported, same with child abuse. Going to college was for getting your Mrs degree. Misogyny was accepted as normal though the language was less crude. In the 80’s I worked for a progressive company that allowed pictures of nude women to hang in the service department. The company where I did my internship paid women substantially less than men because we were secondary earners(I.e. wives). Gotta stop, my blood pressure can’t take it!
Yep. I’m 10 years younger than you at 60. But even so when I was 21 I had to fight to get a credit card in my name and was not successful. Even though I was employed with a steady income and no missed payment or delinquency issues, since I was not married, the only way they would give me one was if my father signed for me or my 16 year old brother! While either of them likely would have signed for me, I refused to do it. Finally a few years later, after I moved to a different area where the attitudes toward women were more flexible I was able to get one in my own name without a male co-signer’s signature. When I bought my first house, the mortgage paperwork signature block listed my name and then labeled me as “an unmarried woman”. I asked them if they included the label “unmarried man” on single male mortgage signers and was told no, they didn’t. When I balked at signing it with the label they said I could take it or leave it but they weren’t changing it. They were sure they could sell the house to a more cooperative person. I signed the damn thing, but now almost 30 years later it still pisses me off when thinking about it. It seems our currency situation is attempting to set us back even further than that and it makes me nauseous with anger.
To you and Laurie both: I just turned 70 and it is hard to see "civilization" deteriorating. Yet not that far back to fall, scarily. Remember: we females were only considered human enough to vote in 1920. Black men had been enfranchised 50 years before. Susan B. Anthony couldn't testify in her defense when charged with criminal voting because no female was legally competent to be a witness at law. So recently, women couldn't own property, couldn't inherit, had no rights to the children of their body, and marriage was legal sex-slavery. So I guess we have made some headway, but how trivial a distance in historical time to fall back!
You are not damn old. You're a whipper snapper. My wife turns 70 in three weeks, I turn 83 this week. :)
It seems little has changed since I was a teen. My mother was an account analysis at a bank, she kept training new analysts (men) who subsequently got pay raises, while she did not. she earned $1.00 an hour (single mom with three kids) for year.
When she asked why the men she trained were getting raises and she not, the response was "they have families". Her response, "so do I and three children", Her supervisors retort was "find a husband". She was not about to subject us kids to a strange man that would take over the household.
Good grief! What a story! My take on the issue is, how recently we clawed up to at least "woke" about the status of females. And yet females can be enforcers against their own "uppity" kind. My Mom(is she famous here yet?) was p'd off when PG&E wouldn't take her (college instructor) co-sign for my first electric bill: had to be Dad: She railed interminably about how the "lazy" male coaches got paid more than the "hard-working" women sports and PE teachers. Yet Gloria Steinem was second only to Ralph Nader (seat belts) on her hate list, and she railed against "shrill" women with bullhorns (Vietnam) and how hippy women were even more debased than men, and in the context of abortion, "sluts" was one of her favorite words.
That is something that has always chapped my behind as well-the women that fight against and place obstacles in the path of other women. While I do not agree with it, I kind of understand the resistance from men. They see it as losing status and power. But why would women resist? That feels like an even worse betrayal to me. I came to the conclusion that those types of women have been indoctrinated so completely into the patriarchal system they can’t even conceive of anything else. They must, perhaps subconsciously realize they are only “borrowing” power from men. And so they fight tooth and nail for men and the status quo even when it means fighting against their own rights. The name Phyllis Schlafly still makes my lip curl up in a snarl.
It wasn't all that long ago when a woman's only identity was from her husband or father. To feel better perhaps or for her own protection she had to be her husband's or father's willing follower and always defend him, not herself. I love reading history, but it's pretty glum where women are even mentioned. I hear you. Ruthie B
Phyliss Schafly is the reasonwe don't have an Equal Rights Amendment, She campaigned against it. Schafly, Boebert, MTG, ACB perceive themselves as beneficiaries of the status quo.
Like Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott and every gay Republican very comfortable as "house slaves". KIssing the masters ass, brings rewards, better pay, jobs, fame, career advancement and for women, the safety and security she perceives she will enjoy as a Handmaiden,, until her protector and provider tires of her and trades her in. Then she will see the error of her ways...Met quite a few like that.
Yes. I’ve seen it too. Many women, even after their male partners have traded them in for newer, younger models, attack and denigrate the new woman rather than the male partner and rather than acknowledging the patriarchal system than not only allows it but in many ways encourages it.
That is the problem with America today. Although my mom suffered discrimination, she was a Republican and was like your mom. For full disclosure. I am a Viet Nam vet, and retired officer.
I hated those hippies with bull horn, felt they were a bunch of commies. They were basically students in the sway of commie professors (yes there were quite a few). However as my cloistered life expanded after retirement and I met lefties like the Weather Underground and SDS My attitude about the war changed. It was not a war to stop communist expansion. In fact Vietnam, after the fall of Saigon, kick the ass of China and liberated Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge those are not the only opinions changed.
We are products of our time, and the propaganda of the time.
Yes. I was asked in a job interview once, “Why are you here wasting my time and trying to take a man’s job? You need to get married. You don’t need a job.”
This makes me angry! I also trained several younger men who became my bosses. That’s ultimately why I left that job.
And the corporate media,talking heads, pundits, opinion pages keep trying to brainwash us that things are getting better.
And it just isn't gender discrimination. I would not want to be a black person, especially a kid, in this environment. It is getting worse and not better, and I blame Fox and the misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment. The 1st amendment does not give anyone, including corporations the right to say anything they want, it says that CONGRESS shall make no law,. Nothing in there about states, people, corporations, and that is why DeSantis is banning speech and books, because he is not Congress, and the politicians know that and do nothing, otherwise they would be embarrassed