I caught your hour-long interview with Greg Palast on Saturday's replay of your Friday program, Thom...and was quite appalled by his rejection of your idea to use all his well-documented evidence of voter suppression to fight back on a national scale. I think you have it right. If
I recall correctly, you said that there is at least one federal case that concluded that there is a right to vote in the US? If so, why not start a class action lawsuit with a bunch of disenfranchised voters (with documented evidence) challenging the US Government (yes, even under Trump) for their loss of right to vote...and thus demand the federal government enforce the right to vote nationwide? If any state or the federal gov't wants to take away any person's right to vote, then, as you propose, it would have to be via a court proceeding. This would be no different from the US Gov't declaring school segregation unlawful back in the 60's. We need to use the best power points that give us proponents of democracy the most power to fight back
and change the game in our favor. They definitely have no limits on what they are using to. destroy our country and democracy for their juvenile, narcissistic, oligarchic purposes.
Conservatively, hundreds of thousands of potential registered Democratic voters did not vote. This can be established via expert witness testimony. That conduct constitutes crimes -- election intereference under state and federal law.. The Russians admit it.
Moreover, as I said yesterday, there is an issue whether Trump admitted that Musk fixed the As I said Pennsylvania vote. During a rally Trump said that his political ally Elon Musk had an advanced understanding of the voting machines used in Pennsylvania, a critical swing state that was key to Trump's victory in November.
"He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers," Trump told the crowd. "And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide."
"Did Donald Trump just say that Elon Musk helped him rig the election?" journalist David Leavitt asked. Jasmine Crockett of Texas also took to X to ask if Trump was "confessing to yet another damn crime." Another Democratic congressman, Daniel Goldman of New York, also called for an investigation.
Rule of evidence, similar circumstances: in civil procedure, the "rule of evidence similar circumstances" generally refers to the concept that evidence of past incidents or accidents can be admissible in a current case if those past events are substantially similar to the current situation, allowing the court to infer a pattern of behavior or potential liability based on the similarities; this principle is often applied under the Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b) when considering "other crimes, wrongs, or acts.".
The person who has standing, who has actionable cause to bring suit, was over eager to forfeit, to concede at 4 pm Nov 6th while votes were still being counted. And now she has set up an LLC, named for her Secret Service Code name and her place as VP.
Pioneer49.
I am quite sure that she has zero interest in litigating the election.
I am not a mind reader, so have no idea why Kamala folded so early, but I can guess, maybe she was glad that she lost, that she really didn't want the job and he headaches, maybe she was merely playing a role in a theatrical production. Maybe she got orders from higher in the food chain to concede, that if they pressed on, it would only make Trump angrier and seeking revenge.
Actually, if you mean Harris, she voted in California or in DC. Looking for folks who can show their vote was not recorded or was switched or was precluded from making it to the polls on election day, etc.
By standing I meant the person affected by voter interference, that would be Harris. Not the person whose vote wasn't counted.
I think that bit of info would be a hard thing to dig up in PA, In WA we get a tear off tab on our mail in ballots, then we go on the net and check the status of our ballot. Mine was counted.
Civil damage suit. The issue is MONEY. Musk is the target. Get judgments against all perps.
Trump is a potential witness against Musk. His statement about Musk at his rally is admissble and may be dispositive. The fact that Musk tried the same thing in three countries in Europe is probably admissable.. I cited to the civil rules.
An issue may be how the machines were loaded. Musk made detailed accusations against Dominion (which may/may not be defamation) in AZ, other states that can be held against him.
So I guess we can expect all those "hero/hostages" that trump loosed in society will be able to vote? I mean they aren't felons any more & according to many they were never felons to begin with. Do you think they'll take their "patriotism" to the point that they'll vote or will they just by pass that & take to the streets with their boys to just bash some heads because if they say they're doing it for MAGA then it's ok!
Voting should be the issue that Democrats put front and center and yell and scream how Kamala actually lost. We appear to be a leaderless group. I know Democrats are weak, I just didn’t know we were Merrick Garland type weak! Just as well that we lost. The republicans have stolen democracy. We need to demand it be returned .
In my view, any lawsuits against Musk or the "Ruskies," would be a waste of time. The lawsuit would have to be against the US Gov't in order to force the Gov't to guarantee every eligible citizen the right to vote in a fair election (also eradicating gerrymandering). Anyone who was denied the right to vote via voting-list purges, denial of mail-in ballots, rejected ballots due to handwriting of signatures, excessive ID requirements, absence of drop boxes, etc. would have "standing." According to Greg Palast, he has a lot of those statistics / data. In the court of law, we would need the "evidence." And then get some dedicated, honest lawyers who are not in it for the $$$$.
I nor any family member have ever been in Prison. Incarceration is an antiquated method of 'Punishment'. We convict (usually Guilty?) people and SENTENCE them to a term of life during which they cannot be of benefit to Anyone. I have not Studied this, other than observing. Of course, Typically it all comes down to money-and HOW Judges deem money stolen from WHO as a criteria for the Seriousness, I have no idea. My appraisal is they've never spoken to more than a few (felons-unless they had the chance meeting with our Disgrace.) For what we taxpayers PAY, and what we Pay For! We're being robbed! We need a new system of 'effective outcomes for detrimental behavior' for certain behaviors other than literally Wasting some of our Most valuable resources. WE Taxpayers are being ripped off by EVERY Prison Owner including the/ Any jailkeeper.
Does anyone have a comment about Norman Finklestein's idea that those claiming that Trump et al. represent fascism are wrongheaded? He believes because there isn't an actual push against a massively strong left, as in Germany's Weimar Republic, they do not represent Fascism-oligarchy as in the billionaires in the front row with Trump's cabinet behind them at the inauguration, yes.
Really, Captain my Captain thank you for telling us how all this garbage really works. I do appreciate you so much. Thom, everybody in charge of our government know nothing about doing just that, Thom, governance! Just saying.
I caught your hour-long interview with Greg Palast on Saturday's replay of your Friday program, Thom...and was quite appalled by his rejection of your idea to use all his well-documented evidence of voter suppression to fight back on a national scale. I think you have it right. If
I recall correctly, you said that there is at least one federal case that concluded that there is a right to vote in the US? If so, why not start a class action lawsuit with a bunch of disenfranchised voters (with documented evidence) challenging the US Government (yes, even under Trump) for their loss of right to vote...and thus demand the federal government enforce the right to vote nationwide? If any state or the federal gov't wants to take away any person's right to vote, then, as you propose, it would have to be via a court proceeding. This would be no different from the US Gov't declaring school segregation unlawful back in the 60's. We need to use the best power points that give us proponents of democracy the most power to fight back
and change the game in our favor. They definitely have no limits on what they are using to. destroy our country and democracy for their juvenile, narcissistic, oligarchic purposes.
Especially since some people were harmed. Musk makes a great target defendant. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/25/elon-musk-has-been-in-regular-contact-with-putin-for-two-years-say-reports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections#:~:text=Russia's%20efforts%20represented%20the%20most,society%20and%20foster%20anti%2DAmericanism.
Conservatively, hundreds of thousands of potential registered Democratic voters did not vote. This can be established via expert witness testimony. That conduct constitutes crimes -- election intereference under state and federal law.. The Russians admit it.
Moreover, as I said yesterday, there is an issue whether Trump admitted that Musk fixed the As I said Pennsylvania vote. During a rally Trump said that his political ally Elon Musk had an advanced understanding of the voting machines used in Pennsylvania, a critical swing state that was key to Trump's victory in November.
"He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers," Trump told the crowd. "And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-elon-musk-voting-machine-2017657
"Did Donald Trump just say that Elon Musk helped him rig the election?" journalist David Leavitt asked. Jasmine Crockett of Texas also took to X to ask if Trump was "confessing to yet another damn crime." Another Democratic congressman, Daniel Goldman of New York, also called for an investigation.
Trump claimed that the 2020 election was stolen by Democrats. However, he has not made allegations against the results of the 2024 election. Musk openly said it was easy to rig election computers. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/114387655.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Election Truth Alliance (ETA), a self-described nonpartisan nonprofit organization that was founded in December 2024, said its analysis in Clark County, Nevada, produced results "consistent with vote manipulation." https://fox4kc.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/776992724/analysis-of-2024-election-results-in-clark-county-indicates-manipulation/
Similar circumstances in Europe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEnJORtSUB0
Rule of evidence, similar circumstances: in civil procedure, the "rule of evidence similar circumstances" generally refers to the concept that evidence of past incidents or accidents can be admissible in a current case if those past events are substantially similar to the current situation, allowing the court to infer a pattern of behavior or potential liability based on the similarities; this principle is often applied under the Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b) when considering "other crimes, wrongs, or acts.".
The person who has standing, who has actionable cause to bring suit, was over eager to forfeit, to concede at 4 pm Nov 6th while votes were still being counted. And now she has set up an LLC, named for her Secret Service Code name and her place as VP.
Pioneer49.
I am quite sure that she has zero interest in litigating the election.
Why do you believe Kamla Harris folded so early?
I am not a mind reader, so have no idea why Kamala folded so early, but I can guess, maybe she was glad that she lost, that she really didn't want the job and he headaches, maybe she was merely playing a role in a theatrical production. Maybe she got orders from higher in the food chain to concede, that if they pressed on, it would only make Trump angrier and seeking revenge.
Your guess is as good as mine.
Actually, if you mean Harris, she voted in California or in DC. Looking for folks who can show their vote was not recorded or was switched or was precluded from making it to the polls on election day, etc.
By standing I meant the person affected by voter interference, that would be Harris. Not the person whose vote wasn't counted.
I think that bit of info would be a hard thing to dig up in PA, In WA we get a tear off tab on our mail in ballots, then we go on the net and check the status of our ballot. Mine was counted.
Not a criminal case...yet.
Civil damage suit. The issue is MONEY. Musk is the target. Get judgments against all perps.
Trump is a potential witness against Musk. His statement about Musk at his rally is admissble and may be dispositive. The fact that Musk tried the same thing in three countries in Europe is probably admissable.. I cited to the civil rules.
An issue may be how the machines were loaded. Musk made detailed accusations against Dominion (which may/may not be defamation) in AZ, other states that can be held against him.
Do we have plaintiffs (that have standing) has anyone tried, is their funding for them?
Here in Florida, ex-felons must recoup costs of prosecution. https://dos.fl.gov/elections/for-voters/voter-registration/felon-voting-rights/ In practice, after they regained the vote, a lot of them supported Trump.
I'm more concerned about "denatualization." As #45, he put it into effect. https://immpolicytracking.org/media/documents/ACLU_Fact_Sheet_on_Denaturalization.pdf
So I guess we can expect all those "hero/hostages" that trump loosed in society will be able to vote? I mean they aren't felons any more & according to many they were never felons to begin with. Do you think they'll take their "patriotism" to the point that they'll vote or will they just by pass that & take to the streets with their boys to just bash some heads because if they say they're doing it for MAGA then it's ok!
Once a felon always a felon, and a pardon does not wipe away the crime, only the punishment.
Nope. True of commutations. Some only got commuted sentences.
Down here in Baghdad By the Sea, some Proud Boys are elected officials. The appointee to be ambassador to Panama was a Proud Boy.
They say there will be recriminations.
So a pardon then says, there never was a crime committed and the slate is wiped clean. Thanks for the education. Now I know.
Voting should be the issue that Democrats put front and center and yell and scream how Kamala actually lost. We appear to be a leaderless group. I know Democrats are weak, I just didn’t know we were Merrick Garland type weak! Just as well that we lost. The republicans have stolen democracy. We need to demand it be returned .
In my view, any lawsuits against Musk or the "Ruskies," would be a waste of time. The lawsuit would have to be against the US Gov't in order to force the Gov't to guarantee every eligible citizen the right to vote in a fair election (also eradicating gerrymandering). Anyone who was denied the right to vote via voting-list purges, denial of mail-in ballots, rejected ballots due to handwriting of signatures, excessive ID requirements, absence of drop boxes, etc. would have "standing." According to Greg Palast, he has a lot of those statistics / data. In the court of law, we would need the "evidence." And then get some dedicated, honest lawyers who are not in it for the $$$$.
I nor any family member have ever been in Prison. Incarceration is an antiquated method of 'Punishment'. We convict (usually Guilty?) people and SENTENCE them to a term of life during which they cannot be of benefit to Anyone. I have not Studied this, other than observing. Of course, Typically it all comes down to money-and HOW Judges deem money stolen from WHO as a criteria for the Seriousness, I have no idea. My appraisal is they've never spoken to more than a few (felons-unless they had the chance meeting with our Disgrace.) For what we taxpayers PAY, and what we Pay For! We're being robbed! We need a new system of 'effective outcomes for detrimental behavior' for certain behaviors other than literally Wasting some of our Most valuable resources. WE Taxpayers are being ripped off by EVERY Prison Owner including the/ Any jailkeeper.
Does anyone have a comment about Norman Finklestein's idea that those claiming that Trump et al. represent fascism are wrongheaded? He believes because there isn't an actual push against a massively strong left, as in Germany's Weimar Republic, they do not represent Fascism-oligarchy as in the billionaires in the front row with Trump's cabinet behind them at the inauguration, yes.
Really, Captain my Captain thank you for telling us how all this garbage really works. I do appreciate you so much. Thom, everybody in charge of our government know nothing about doing just that, Thom, governance! Just saying.
Off topic but trying to get something started:
My FB post regarding Target/DEI
BOYCOTT TARGET!
No DEI HIRES!
No DEI BUYERS!
I'm also cutting up my card & mailing it to the CEO.