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If this was in nyt every day and on nightly news many people would have a different perspective.

But nyt and tv, and even joe biden, project a very different message. Things are fairly normal, 2 political parties one is conservative, biden knows them and they are not all maga.

Smart, kind, fairly decent people are loath to vote for progressive democrats. My neighbors have "biden/Harris" sticker on their car, read nyt eagerly day, and do NOT support reform of Supreme Court. It's absurd.

Biden gets a big win for debt ceiling fight in which forces of neoliberalism prevail, human safety net reduced, and good results for pipelines.

When enough people see neoliberalism as the main villain, when there's a young energetic candidate against it that becomes popular, when there's big broad support to reject products of, and boycott companies based on their political activities and donations, things may change.

We have pride month and we have Juneteenth but as we rewrite constitution we lose the 14th amendment and entire legacy of Lincoln.

The idea of Bernie / progressives "taking over the Democratic Party" wasn't as easy as it sounded. We need to consider third party strategies.

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Marc said: "Smart, kind, fairly decent people are loath to vote for progressive democrats."

Sounds to me like you are equating progressive Democrats, to Trump humping fascists.

Tell me it isn't so, that you are not condemning progressive Democrats. If so then why.

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I am saying we are talking to the converted. There's too many people out there who came originally from normal land and who are developing this kind of "I don't like the extreme left mentality." There's too many of those people who are caught in narratives and aren't even exposed to most of the real information.

We are small in number engaging in academic exercises here, we need to focus more on works for masses. ESG for example.

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Thanks for that. Internet communications are so vexxing.

ESG is Environmental, social, and corporate governance (ESG), also known as environmental, social, governance, is a business framework for considering environmental issues and social issues in the context of corporate governance.

We already have that, neo fascism. Corporate governance, through, bribes (campaign donations), ownership of congress of executive, and the goal and purpose of corporate governing (profits) is diametrically opposed to Environmental and social needs.

Oil and water don't mix, unless you add an emulsifier, and that emulsifier is government.

In America that emulsifier has been a mixed economy, called Democracy. However to paraphrase MLK, the arc of Democracy bends towards fascism. (bigotry, racism, religious extremism in obeisance to the needs and wishes of the plutocrats.

It seems that humanity has a very low tolerance for diversity of any kind and is comfortable with extremes or no opposition. Be it race, religion or class.

In fascist countries, like Russia and China, that emulsifier is the authoritarian, one party, government

That's why this country and world is in such deep shit: Corporate governance.

The only chance of salvation is to take money out of politics, reverse the damage done from Madison v Marbury, to Santa Clara v Southern Pacific, Buckley v Velao and of course Citizens united, and the only way to do that is to cleanse SCOTUS of the six cockroaches. but we need a congress and executive, that not only has the power, but the guts. Lots of luck.

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We can say whatever cynical (or historical) things we want in our forums, while the question of politics comes down to what will appeal to millennials.

Supposedly 70 plus percent of them want esg. This article says

About one-third of millennials often or exclusively use investments that take ESG factors into account, compared with 19% of Gen Z, 16% of Gen X and 2% of baby boomers, according to the poll.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/21/millennials-spurred-growth-in-esg-investing-now-all-ages-are-on-board.html

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You see ESG as a good thing, however you overlook the G part of ESG, governance, and thus millenials in their blind aspirations are actually enabling that which they propose.

Clever marketing by the plutocrats. Suck in the idealistic.

The whole ESG scheme works, when and if, millenials can find an honest person, one with the defects of previous presidents to run for and be elected to office, legislative an executive, starting with the red states,

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