I'm feeling very, very vengeful. The time has come for our revenge against this paranoid freak and all the pathetic enablers who back him, as well as against Heritage, the billionaires, Johnson and the phony Christian Nationalists, racists and white supremacists, etc. When enough people get angry and rise up, these awful misfits and fasc…
I'm feeling very, very vengeful. The time has come for our revenge against this paranoid freak and all the pathetic enablers who back him, as well as against Heritage, the billionaires, Johnson and the phony Christian Nationalists, racists and white supremacists, etc. When enough people get angry and rise up, these awful misfits and fascists will get their due. It has to happen. The house of cards is bound to crash and burn. Their incompetence and puffed-up hubris are their weaknesses which we must exploit and expose relentlessly.
Revenge is for suckers. Ask the Middle East...and at some point in history, ask every other human settlement in the world. "Revenge" is a feeling, not a strategy for "better".
That is not to say we do not work hard to return to a vibrant imperfect striving nation trying to do the right thing for all of the people most of time and never reaching "done".
William ....I can't quite tell who is answering whom for what in this thread...but I received this from you as an email. Were you addressing it to me? And...is it referencing my "revenge" comment...or? TY Sallie
I really like that clever way of looking at it. I do not disagree at all with the sentiment for us as individuals. My thought was to turn the tables and to send the message to Trump, et al, that revenge is a two-way street and that his malice and serious destructiveness is sure to provoke great hostility and a backlash. They are not alone in wishing for revenge. What we have been denied so far is justice, and justice does involve a measure of revenge. The bastards are intentionally inflicting great pain and injury, and the people generally will hopefully extract a degree of justice, aka revenge, in large enough numbers by fighting back and rejecting their abuses and corruption. If you are not fuming and enraged, you have your head in the sand.
But surely, by killing the Dept of Education, they will be killing public education, and that will solve the problem of children being brainwashed or miseducated won't it?
What can be wrong with he father being responsible for educating his sons, like they did in the good ole days?
Fathers are not the icons you might imagine...even if you can find them in the home with their children. Public education gives all kids a chance...and there are many (most) families who need the help and structure in this complicated world. There were no "good ole days" except in the exceptions. Think Dickens.
Of course I am being facetiious. I was talking to Robert. Robert has a brief against public education, he and I have argued very strongly. He has no remedy, just a bitch.
I am a genetic genealogist and told the story of my own family historyf, when up until the 19th Century, it was the responsibility of the father to tutor his children, boys mostly, girls they deemed didn't need education all they needed was to be taught how to have babies, take care of them, and take care of the house for the hubbie.
My 5th great grandfather died before he could tutor all but his eldest son, and thus his sons, including my 4th great granfather was illiterate, and because he couldn't read or write, he couldn't engage in commerce or contracts, He had to rely on the faith in others and signed everything with an X. His son was illiterate, his grandson, his great grandson, the first in my family to have education was my grandfather, but only to the 8th grade, my father graduated HS and had some college, I have a Masters degree, my son and his daughter are PhD's (she is a research scientist)
In those days, when the father died, the children were considered orphans, and there were orphans courts to deal with them. A mother had to prove that he had the ability to tutor her own children, if she was to keep custody of them, otherwise they were "rented" out to guardians, who used them as free labor.
Glad to know facetiousness was afoot....it is hard to suss out full sense of these posts....we don't know each other ...we only see the post in front of us standing naked and alone, free of its author's full context.
In all sincerity, what brainwashing are you talking about? Science, math, history, home economics, art, music, sports? You might as well call 'murkan society the brainwashing. And what wo uld you replace it with? Religious dogma? Just ignorance?
My dad was a conservative republican. He was poor, white, worked very hard and long, fought in WW2, had a high school education. He was president or secretary of the local school board for 20 years. He believed in education. He believed in the Constitution. He did not want to educate me about school, he led the school that did that, but did not dictate curriculum. My dad taught me many things, personal things, skilled things, logic, reason, critical thinking, so that I could excel in school and life. What you have just said is, IMO, ridiculous, anti-social, and fascistic.
FYI, My fathers family were poor white southerners, great great grandfather and his son were hog farmers. My mothers family poor white notherners who suffered the depression, and left the family traumatized.
I was raised a conservative and voted for Nixon in 1960, an Goldwater in 1968, but voted for Hillary and Biden.
A piece of advice don't take things personally, don't personalize the impersonal.
As regards brainwashing, that is how we are raised,family friends, authorities like teachers.
We are not born with out ideas and beliefs fully formed. We either acquire them by being told them by authority or we aquire them by fully thinking them through
My comment was meant for the guy who forgot to mention that his post was facetious. It sounded serious, so I called him on it. These threads kind of weave all over the place and it is hard to know where they end up sometimes.
I'm feeling very, very vengeful. The time has come for our revenge against this paranoid freak and all the pathetic enablers who back him, as well as against Heritage, the billionaires, Johnson and the phony Christian Nationalists, racists and white supremacists, etc. When enough people get angry and rise up, these awful misfits and fascists will get their due. It has to happen. The house of cards is bound to crash and burn. Their incompetence and puffed-up hubris are their weaknesses which we must exploit and expose relentlessly.
No need to extract revenge. Would be great just to enjoy the lack of hate.
Revenge is for suckers. Ask the Middle East...and at some point in history, ask every other human settlement in the world. "Revenge" is a feeling, not a strategy for "better".
That is not to say we do not work hard to return to a vibrant imperfect striving nation trying to do the right thing for all of the people most of time and never reaching "done".
“Minds that seek revenge destroy States, while those that seek reconciliation build nations” - Nelson Mandela.
Yep, now get that message to Trump.
I agree so what compelled you to make your comment?
William ....I can't quite tell who is answering whom for what in this thread...but I received this from you as an email. Were you addressing it to me? And...is it referencing my "revenge" comment...or? TY Sallie
Revenge is the poison you drink hoping the other person will die. I don't remember where I first read that, I wish I did.
I really like that clever way of looking at it. I do not disagree at all with the sentiment for us as individuals. My thought was to turn the tables and to send the message to Trump, et al, that revenge is a two-way street and that his malice and serious destructiveness is sure to provoke great hostility and a backlash. They are not alone in wishing for revenge. What we have been denied so far is justice, and justice does involve a measure of revenge. The bastards are intentionally inflicting great pain and injury, and the people generally will hopefully extract a degree of justice, aka revenge, in large enough numbers by fighting back and rejecting their abuses and corruption. If you are not fuming and enraged, you have your head in the sand.
Agreed. Yes, justice in this case especially will require away
Silly thing just kept going away…Justice in this case will require a bit of revenge.
Why am I getting all of these responses mentioning revenge? Ya'll should send them to Trump.
The way it looks from here. Trump will have his revenge,and we have no choice, it seems, but sit here and wait for the hammer to fall.
And he is having a good run so far, civil servants are being fired and resigning in droves, and he is only in his 4th week.
He and Pam Bondi/Kash Patel haven't even started on his declared enemies.
But surely, by killing the Dept of Education, they will be killing public education, and that will solve the problem of children being brainwashed or miseducated won't it?
What can be wrong with he father being responsible for educating his sons, like they did in the good ole days?
Are you being facetious?
Fathers are not the icons you might imagine...even if you can find them in the home with their children. Public education gives all kids a chance...and there are many (most) families who need the help and structure in this complicated world. There were no "good ole days" except in the exceptions. Think Dickens.
Of course I am being facetiious. I was talking to Robert. Robert has a brief against public education, he and I have argued very strongly. He has no remedy, just a bitch.
I am a genetic genealogist and told the story of my own family historyf, when up until the 19th Century, it was the responsibility of the father to tutor his children, boys mostly, girls they deemed didn't need education all they needed was to be taught how to have babies, take care of them, and take care of the house for the hubbie.
My 5th great grandfather died before he could tutor all but his eldest son, and thus his sons, including my 4th great granfather was illiterate, and because he couldn't read or write, he couldn't engage in commerce or contracts, He had to rely on the faith in others and signed everything with an X. His son was illiterate, his grandson, his great grandson, the first in my family to have education was my grandfather, but only to the 8th grade, my father graduated HS and had some college, I have a Masters degree, my son and his daughter are PhD's (she is a research scientist)
In those days, when the father died, the children were considered orphans, and there were orphans courts to deal with them. A mother had to prove that he had the ability to tutor her own children, if she was to keep custody of them, otherwise they were "rented" out to guardians, who used them as free labor.
Here is an example: http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/union/court/farrar-j.txt
Would have been better if you had let us know this at the beginning.
Glad to know facetiousness was afoot....it is hard to suss out full sense of these posts....we don't know each other ...we only see the post in front of us standing naked and alone, free of its author's full context.
Yeh I am a long time poster here, So if you had been reading my posts you would have known it was facestious.
In all sincerity, what brainwashing are you talking about? Science, math, history, home economics, art, music, sports? You might as well call 'murkan society the brainwashing. And what wo uld you replace it with? Religious dogma? Just ignorance?
My dad was a conservative republican. He was poor, white, worked very hard and long, fought in WW2, had a high school education. He was president or secretary of the local school board for 20 years. He believed in education. He believed in the Constitution. He did not want to educate me about school, he led the school that did that, but did not dictate curriculum. My dad taught me many things, personal things, skilled things, logic, reason, critical thinking, so that I could excel in school and life. What you have just said is, IMO, ridiculous, anti-social, and fascistic.
Mick I have no idea what you are talking about.
FYI, My fathers family were poor white southerners, great great grandfather and his son were hog farmers. My mothers family poor white notherners who suffered the depression, and left the family traumatized.
I was raised a conservative and voted for Nixon in 1960, an Goldwater in 1968, but voted for Hillary and Biden.
A piece of advice don't take things personally, don't personalize the impersonal.
As regards brainwashing, that is how we are raised,family friends, authorities like teachers.
We are not born with out ideas and beliefs fully formed. We either acquire them by being told them by authority or we aquire them by fully thinking them through
My comment was meant for the guy who forgot to mention that his post was facetious. It sounded serious, so I called him on it. These threads kind of weave all over the place and it is hard to know where they end up sometimes.