OH, for the luvva everything that is f**king holy!!! I remember when Ukraine got rid of its nukes, but I was not as heavily into knowing the details back then! I did not realize we had a defense commitment, based on denuclearizing and based on RESPECTING UKRAINIAN SOVEREIGNTY and TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
OH, for the luvva everything that is f**king holy!!! I remember when Ukraine got rid of its nukes, but I was not as heavily into knowing the details back then! I did not realize we had a defense commitment, based on denuclearizing and based on RESPECTING UKRAINIAN SOVEREIGNTY and TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
SO, all this holier-than-thou BS about the US making promises to Gorby that Ukraine would remain forever neutral vis-a-vis Europe or NATO -- promises that were NEVER written down or made official forty years ago! -- is so much crap, in the light of the Budapest Memorandum, an agreement that WAS written down, AND was signed, by the US and Great Britain and Ukraine AND RUSSIA.
Obama failing to come to Ukraine's assistance over Crimea was just Russia's first shot into the territory to see how it would fly, how it would land, how it would work!
EVERY BIT OF AID that the West as given Ukraine since Putin invaded the eastern provinces has been JUST WHAT WE PROMISED, and NOT EVEN ALL THAT WE PROMISED. Our support of Ukraine is not only justified, but demanded, by this Memorandum.
WHY are we not hading the apologists for Putin, who carry on about NATO, this information? Why don't we tell them to go sit in a corner and STFU? And, for sure, by Thom's telling, the fight is dragging on, our support has been a bit short, and we see how much is now hanging in the balance. especially with The Orange Disaster looming over us.
Great comment Pat. I am more than curious who has actually been the hand on the brake in the Biden Administration, that would not provide Ukraine the equipment it needed to effectively fight back. The fear of a Putins nuke is specious, and an excuse for public consumption, events have proven it to be false, as we have slowly stepped over Putins red line. As I said above, I doubt that Putins nukes will actually work.
It is, as far as I know, Jake Sullivan, who has had his hand on the brakes, and I have to ask why? Given that he should know that Russia's nukes are essentially duds.
OH, for the luvva everything that is f**king holy!!! I remember when Ukraine got rid of its nukes, but I was not as heavily into knowing the details back then! I did not realize we had a defense commitment, based on denuclearizing and based on RESPECTING UKRAINIAN SOVEREIGNTY and TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
SO, all this holier-than-thou BS about the US making promises to Gorby that Ukraine would remain forever neutral vis-a-vis Europe or NATO -- promises that were NEVER written down or made official forty years ago! -- is so much crap, in the light of the Budapest Memorandum, an agreement that WAS written down, AND was signed, by the US and Great Britain and Ukraine AND RUSSIA.
Obama failing to come to Ukraine's assistance over Crimea was just Russia's first shot into the territory to see how it would fly, how it would land, how it would work!
EVERY BIT OF AID that the West as given Ukraine since Putin invaded the eastern provinces has been JUST WHAT WE PROMISED, and NOT EVEN ALL THAT WE PROMISED. Our support of Ukraine is not only justified, but demanded, by this Memorandum.
WHY are we not hading the apologists for Putin, who carry on about NATO, this information? Why don't we tell them to go sit in a corner and STFU? And, for sure, by Thom's telling, the fight is dragging on, our support has been a bit short, and we see how much is now hanging in the balance. especially with The Orange Disaster looming over us.
Gad!
Great comment Pat. I am more than curious who has actually been the hand on the brake in the Biden Administration, that would not provide Ukraine the equipment it needed to effectively fight back. The fear of a Putins nuke is specious, and an excuse for public consumption, events have proven it to be false, as we have slowly stepped over Putins red line. As I said above, I doubt that Putins nukes will actually work.
It is, as far as I know, Jake Sullivan, who has had his hand on the brakes, and I have to ask why? Given that he should know that Russia's nukes are essentially duds.