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There was no treaty agreement vis-a-vis NATO. The development of Russia into a representative and somewhat democratic society was expected in the 1980s, and perverted in the 1990s. And then Putin shows up. Things changed. NO treaty held that Ukraine or any of the former Soviet satellites could not join NATO.

Putin invaded Crimea, and the US and Great Britain did NOT honor the Budapest Memorandum -- you read the info from Thom, right, David?

Putin makes no secret of his desire to reconstitute the influence once concentrated in the Soviet Union. Ukraine and the US did NOT "push" him into Ukraine. He used that as an excuse, with little more than "conversation" in the 1980s to fall back on.

The Budapest Memorandum is more than a conversation, and respect for Ukraine's sovereign borders was integral to it.

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Correct Pat, Putin also invaded north Georgia, and Georgia is now led by a Putin Asset, But the blame for giving Putin motivation to invade Georgia and Ukraine can be laid in the lap of , sorry to say, Obama who sat back and did nothing. Question is why? I really want to know, but also know that I never will, always the three C's.

Cowardly, corrupt, complicit.

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Many are now realizing Obama really was a largely do-nothing president. We can say though that he was eloquent and smart, and he was a steady beacon when our right wing nightmare was picking up steam, before that freight train hit us head on exactly one month ago.

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When Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review he was known to be conservative. He was acculturated in a white society. I would guess that he acquired the black culture as a community organizer in Chicago. He tread in both worlds.

A valid criticism is that in 8 years he did nothing to advance the black strive for equality. An excuse is that he couldn't because he was black.

And there we are stuck with the one drop social mythology, that all it takes is one drop of blood in your genetics.

If that is the case there are a lot of KKK types, militia's and racists that are black.

One example is those with the surname Mozingo or Bass. Mozingo's are all descended from an African Warrior who was an indentured servant.

https://www.amazon.com/Fiddler-Pantico-Run-African-Descendants/dp/1451627483 his descendants range from an Alabama Judge,Tony Mozingo, to proud members of the KKK and blackfamilies in North Carolina.

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Agreed. My wife called him Martin Luther Obama. He talked a good talk but did little.

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Obama was certainly a talker. However, I think he was not a particularly good negotiator. His biggest accomplishment, the Affordable Care Act, could have been much better if he hadn’t always tried to meet the opposition halfway before negotiations began. I think your wife may not have as exalted opinion of Martin Luther King’s actions, as opposed to his words. That seems to ignore the great actions he undertook for both racial and labor causes. I would also think Obama would NOT be upset, but rather flattered, by her name for him. I had my problems with his presidency, but I think few of us would have handled his situation any better and most of not nearly as well.

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It wasn’t meant as flattery but as recognition of his being all talk. MLK on the other hand backed up his words with action.

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I understood that with my reply. I don’t think “all talk” is quite right, given the ACA. I said Obama would be flattered, not that your wife was flattering him.

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