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And I get labeled with 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' by some of my Rightest friends ... who are turning into acquaintances.

Never tRump, never again anywhere near the seat of gov't. This is the only thing that matters. International affairs, economy, border, etc., all take a second seat.

Vote.

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Turn the slur on itself. Actually it is the MAGA cult that is derganged.. MAGAts do what MAGAts do best... project.

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One of their latest projections is that, Biden has been smuggling in illegals to vote for him. It is more likely that the rich right wingers like Putin, our GOP and orban have been encouraging and paying for the illegal immigrants passage to America, in my opinion.

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Ridiculous easy debunked claim Bob. The Republicans are caging legal voters, how can illegals vote.

In Red states, they are knocking legal voters off the rolls, democrats and people of color, democratic votes in Red states don't matter anyway, not in the general election, maybe for Senator or Governor.

In blue states an nflux of "illegal" voters would not make a difference anyway.

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Of course illegals can't vote. Have you tried telling that to a magat though? All they see is millions of well-dressed illegal immigrants magically appearing at the border. The right wing started letting in illegals to bust the unions under Reagan!!! It is all about perception William, not reality when dealing with the magat mind.

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I think your opinion is very well thought out. Thank you.

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I like the one where he conspired with Taylor Swift to fix the super bowl.

Same people allege he's senile.

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…and then it’s loggerheads, but I feel good about where I stand.

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Loggerheads is better than submission, and standing there and taking it is submission, tacit confirmation of the accusation.

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Orban will do to Hungary what Pinochet did in Chile: BOTH worked closely with Libertarian Fascists from the USA. Bannon is an idiot—he apparently doesn’t read history closely and is taking credit for a movement that he didn’t start. Bannon and tRump latched onto the Libertarian movement because it is unbridled capitalism that mercilessly exploits whole populations before absconding with all the riches.

Trump is a Russian mobster in league with “oligarchs” serving Mogilevich’s Mob.

The Libertarian Cadre (their words) are spearheaded today by Charles Koch’s Gang and their “oh-so-secret” Mt. Pelerin Society. The Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, George Mason U, among others, are the seat of libertarian, neonazi fascism. They just happen to play well with the Russian Mob. Both use dictates from Lenin to convince/indoctrinate populations to accept policies that actual harm people.

What they have in common is Lenin and Greed.

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Bannon is a fascist fake intellectual and Rod Dreher thinks Orbán is just wonderful. Dreher and Bannon could not be more wrong.

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Succinct and outstanding commentary , to the point, Dawna.

Re: Trump and the Russian mafia, and enter stage right. Giulianna, of Italian ancestry whom you would think would be mafia affiliated, actually prosecuted the Italian Mob, but not the Russian mob. Invoking Whitey Bolger of Boston here. He was a CI for the FBI, and they loved him because he got them wins and promotions, but Whitey was head of the Winter Hill gang, and he used the FBI (with their knowledge and blessing) to rid Boston of competition, the same thing that Giuliani did for the Russian mafia, castrated the Italian mafia, to strengthen the Russian mafia. No wonder Tump chose Giuliani as ass kisser in chief.

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Giuliani knew tRump from his NYC days. By the time Giuliani’s time was up as mayor, he was a laughingstock, kicked out of Gracie Mansion for cheating on the LATEST wife. What saved him was throwing that check back at the Saudi Prince during 9/11. Apparently they all made up, off stage, because Giuliani certainly followed tRump down a rat hole of trump corruption . . .

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Dawna, there can't be a successful Democratic socialist Nation can there? Who would want a dictatorship then? That is why Putin is attacking Ukraine, in my opinion also. What would the excessively rich do if they could not look like God's to the peasants? That would take almost all the fun out of getting rich?

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How much you wanna bet that Orban arrives at Mar-a-lago with a suitcase full of bearer bonds?

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Let’s REMIND everyone, that the people who worked hard to steal elections and to get ORBAN in power were hired by the RNC (Libertarians) long before tRump. Arthur Friedberg’s “kids”: Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone—were all operators backing Putin’s interests. They also meddled in Ukraine and it was a major victory for democracy when Yanukovych was sent packing to Moscow. The RNC works with Putin—Libertarian Fascism, in the name of “free capitalism” is just another way for oligarchs to steal wealth. They did this to Chile with Pinochet; they put Orban into power in Hungary; they are relentless, greedy fascists.

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From what I’ve heard, young and educated Hungarian citizens are leaving Hungary and the stifling rule of Orban.

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I read this article and what I see is a Extremist, trans denomination, alliance under the banner of religion, Anchored in the west if Trump becomes President, in the East by Putin and in the Center by Orban.

Orban was elected because of Muslim immigration, he promised to build a fence and he did.

Trump has pledged to deport Muslims and revoke their citizenships.

A new crusade?

So much for the uncommitted, finger flipping, 100,000 in Michigan. Michigan could very well be the hingepin in the election. Muslims are blackmailing Biden and the Dems over HAMAS, they might very well be the reason Trump becomes 47.

And then they can blame themselves for what follows, but of course they won't, they will blame Biden.

But blame doesn't matter, not when you are being rounded up

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Yeap. Orban is no good at all. All has been corrupted. His friends and family placed in powerful position are squeezing whatever they can to accumulate more wealth. This no soft fascism at all!

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Soft fascism will turn into hard fascism shortly, it always does, that is the course the dictators always use.

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Trump is basically ignorant .

Like most men with Authoritarian fathers, he loves leaders like Putin ,Orban and other fascists.

He will do anything for approval from these monsters.

His mental illness, Malignant Narcissism allows him no concern for anyone but himself and his power.

He has been a great

Influence over other people with their own limitations regarding feeling a sense of personal power.

The past several years have carried the foreboding of fascism because the Maga cult has had Orban involved in all of the Republicans planning sessions, CPAC etc . They went to Hungary for one of these sessions , certainly not normal in a Democracy.

They went to Russia for the Fourth of July.

The desire we’ve had to not see ‘the writing on the wall ‘ has worked . Fascism has increased every year since Trump began his attempt to erode democracy.

Orban preaches against aid to Ukraine. Trump preaches against aid to Ukraine. Mike Johnson refuses to allow a vote in the House for aid to Ukraine. All lemmings who do not have the slightest care for what the people in this country the US want.

These people are not our representatives.

They are our detractors. And they should be removed from office.

Trump should never be returned to office.

Common sense and the 14 th amendment, part 3 .

But of course the Supreme Courts tendency to authoritarianism , has been fully on display in recent years.

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The Koch Gang (he calls it a cadre) is at the core of the RNC Libertarian fascism. “Mt. Pelerin Society”.

Orban was put into power with THOSE RNC agents working with Putin. You know their names: Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone. Trump gave pardons to each one.

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Interesting in that it maps out how long a war these individuals have been fighting against Enlightenment rule of law democracies. I believe it would be far more useful to Putin to allow Trump to be publicly bankrupted than pay his criminal charges as it would be a more invisible and therein effective political destabilisation of the US. Apparently Steve Bannon was on a major British radio station (LBC) earlier, singing the praises of GB’s Labour Party leader Sir Keir Starmer who, like previous Labour leader Tony Blair, also has Murdoch’s support. Dark days.

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A few years ago I visited my relatives and Hungary. All in all it was an interesting experience. Capitalism is alive and hungry but it's dying off. When I ask my relatives about Orban they told mean that they weren't really that happy with their government. But when I press them on it they said they really don't want to talk about it. When I asked why they said they didn't want any trouble from the government, didn't want a visit from the police or have to go to court for anything because they knew that the courts really did not work in favor of the citizens of Hungary. After that they just shut up. They refuse to speak about Orban for fear that they would get in serious trouble and even be arrested or even jailed. It was notable that they had nothing good to say about Orban and feared saying anything that the government could take as a crime against them. What a world to live in. I wonder if Americans really knew about that world if they would really want it.

We went back to enjoying Hungarian culture and visiting famous places where no one spoke about the government at all. I am totally certain there are Hungarian fascists and they're also a majority Hungarian citizens living in fear of those fascists. And that's really become a nation of fear and nation of threats and suppression.

I enjoyed visiting my relatives but was quite happy to escape to Austria on my way back to England and then the US where I felt fairly secure until the Rump came along. You know the rest.

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And the only strategy that matters is that the Dem party have a low information Dem voter base issues that get them out to vote which is 3 or 4 economic issues like healthcare, housing, education, etc... AND daily repeating them as the first issues out of their mouth by all Dem politicians and liberal radio hosts and news organizations. All other actions do not matter as much as that voter base strategy. You can be absolutely certain the Repubs will be doing so as they always do because it works.

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Yeah, but Trump hates dogs. To many MAGA that's devastating.

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Actually there's a pretty long list of things. Abortion, dictators are notorious for taking guns away, dogs, minimum wage, social security, loss of freedom, more toxic air, drugs, food and water, extermination camps, legalized torture, a dictator could also ban cigarettes, alcohol and the 40 hour work week....

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The Nazi-Foxian-Right is too stupid to come up with an original blueprint for a fascist outcome.

So, in the same way the LAPD's unoriginal bust of Mickey Cohen in 1951, had to mirror the Feds who, 2 decades earlier, busted Al Capone on a tax beef, Trumpist have to follow the lead of a once brilliant, Hungarian student (Orban) who succumbed to his disgusting, gangster, Freudian-Id.

I feel sorry for any nation that succumbs to Orban's self-indulgent madness.

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They didn’t have to—the Koch Gang came up with the strategies PATTERNED AFTER LENIN! Co-opting media is part of the propaganda, indoctrination attack. Lenin said, you first have to convince the masses to accept policies that are damaging to themselves. Religion is one of their Tools. Destroying education is another. Buying up media by corporate conglomerates and putting out propaganda is what Fox was always about.

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It’s all about the money. Follow the money trail. Look at Chile in the 70’s —the exact, same Libertarians that cannibalized Chile are at work in eastern Europe, except they also are aligned with Putin. SAME NAMES AND FACES. And they are entrenched in the US—the Cato Institute , the Heritage Foundation, the George Mason U. Law and economics departments. All stem back to Buchanan, Milton Friedman, Charles Koch & Gang.

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Trump has colossal Daddy issues.

But he's looking for Fred in ALL the wrong places: Russia, N. Korea, Hungary.

Maybe he wants Orban to tuck him in tonight ; the way Fred never did.

Wakeup, Donald. Freddie's dead.

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Morning, I thought US citizens were barred from having private conversations with other governments? Is that not a thing?

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I think you are referring to the Logan Act. I don’t have the knowledge of it to judge whether these people have actually violated it. Nixon actually violated the Logan Act by telling the South Vietnamese to refuse participation in the Paris Peace Talks. LBJ refused to make an issue of it, and. Nixon and Kissinger managed to prolong the war for another 4 years, leading to the unnecessary deaths of Americans and Vietnamese on both sides. Their illegal bombing of Laos and Cambodia helped bring the murderous Khmer Rouge to power, and they killed over a million of their fellow citizens.

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REALLY! So did I, but the RNC has paid operatives working with Putin. Pinochet actually invited Buchanan to help rewrite the Chilean constitution. . . Which is why Nancy MacLean titled her book: “Democracy in Chains”. When the fascists left, they robbed the nation, left it with no infrastructure. They’ve never recovered.

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you mean they stole the bridges and streets? I believe it. that's what they want to do here put everything they can enter their satchels before they run away.

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Ending human suffering is how to serve God! The gop's economic policies does just the opposite. Victor Orban's economy has been shrinking and so has Putin's. The fascists exist to exploit the poor as much as possible.

The fascist promote religion because they know that they will raise a bunch of useful idiots or dunderheads. All while, torturing and exterminating, honest, Godly and sane humans.

Victor Orban's Hungary has a socialist tax structure for the poor and a capitalist tax structure for the rich just like America currently does.

Hungary rewards people for having babies and punishes people for not having babies that will grow up to be used and abused. If they turn to crime they will probably just be disappeared somewhere. Instead of humanely treating people, the fascists will just exterminate everyone they don't like. Honest people especially. The mentally ill and physically disabled and the old people and all the other so-called, undesirables.

With the invention of electronic surveillance, a right wing Utopia is now possible, until they destroy the Earth. 60 years ago the capitalists could see this day coming and have been making plans in my opinion to take advantage of the more Godly, regardless of religion or lack of religion.

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r ,I agree with what you say except the god part. We still have sort of a separation of church and state in this country although I admit not much anymore. However in the comment section could you please use separation of church and state as a way of writing and keeping God out of the picture. God really doesn't care Bob.

The truth Bob is that man created God in his image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic,violent. I don't think I want that God looking over the shoulder of this country especially when places like the Catholic Church want the government to be overseen and run by the Catholic Church itself. You know,kind of like the Inferior Court of the United States with a six Catholic Bishops, oops, I mean judges sitting on the court passing such things as Citizens United which has become an American Nightmare and a way for anyone and everyone that donate black money to politicians.

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Every time we serve good we are serving God. As an agnostic I agree with you, but I want to try to reach the religious and make it simpler. We all need to agree that God is good. Anyone who worships an evil God is worshiping evil. And yes I believe that there are evil people in the world. Most believe in God also.

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I am a retired psychiatrist of Hungarian descent and sympathetic to the Hungarian worldview, particularly the invasion of migrants up the Danube from the Middle East and for many centuries, not unlike our current crisis at our southern border. Human overpopulation is the key problem here and elsewhere. As for the constant beating of the "fascist" drum, I've yet to see any commentator who understands the definition of a "fascist" government: authoritarian, combining many or all of the wealthy/powerful elements of a society, uniformitarian, celebrating strength, and harkening back to the Roman "fasces", a bundle of sticks with an axe, which could be administered by a Roman magistrate either to chastise or execute a defendant. Our dear Abe Lincoln has one under each hand in his famous seated statue, and the symbol is on our money. I must ask our dear Thom to focus on the US, rather than stick his nose into the affairs of other nations and their often unique problems, although I ask the same of Viktor Orban as well, or Putin, Xi, etc. Our Mad King (wannabe) Donald is an American problem and must be dealt with by American means, whether by sticks or axe. America teeters on the verge of a fascist government, with or without Mr. Trump.

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You need to do more reading on the rise of Libertarian fascism. Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean, for starters. If you think Hungary has nothing in common with the RNC and Chile, you don’t understand the essence of the current, fascist drive seeking to overthrow all democracies in the west.

And yes, ultimately, overpopulation and global climate change are at the rotten root of it all.

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Unlike yourself, I do not attack others, but am sometimes guilty of having fun with them. "If you think...", it's not apparent in your overheated scree.

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I didn’t attack you, but you left out some important things. You can play victim all you want—Hungary doesn’t have a corner on this suffering—it’s happening elsewhere and its perpetrated by the same right-wing fascists that Hillary alluded to during her campaign.

M.D. doesn’t give you the authority to bully and it doesn’t automatically connotate knowledge outside your area of expertise.

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That is interesting Greeley as it appears there are concerns in Magyar going back to the centuries of Turkish invasion and occupation, but then the Ottoman Empire isn't that far back in history. But in any case Thom has discussed the origins of Fascism and how Mussolini saw it. And there are plenty of good websites that discuss its characteristics. I agree that people too often confuse it with Nazism, just as Marxism and Communism, or even Communism and Socialism, are confused. But the fasces are just a useful symbol and without any political connotations, except maybe showing national strength. They appeared on U.S. dimes from 1916 to 1945, so that doesn't mean too much.

But to discuss this topic further, it is not exactly overpopulation as such that is the issue, it is maldistribution of resources. Countries that reach high standards of living soon have low birth and death rates, and their populations typically level off and begin to decline. Even India is going down this road through sheer momentum will keep its numbers growing to mid-century. Conversely, it is the poor states with high birth and death rates that are rapidly growing in populations, reaching unsupportable levels and environmental degradation that area a major destabilizing factor in the world today. (Though to be complete in this discussion, it is the richer nations who are also using up the earth far beyond its carrying capacity too, and on a much greater scale than the poorer ones.) So the situation is a bit more complex and with climate change starting to really damage a lot of places there are very good reasons why poor migrants are coming to Europe and the U.S.

As nations deal with these issues Orban, like Trump and other miserable "leaders" in this Age of Dictators seems to be using the feelings of unsettlement, loss and decline among their people to grab power and push through their agendas. Since they work closely together they really cannot be separated nor each one ignored outside of their own borders. Capital and ideas flow easily today, so why not tyranny? The fact that much of what they want to do will make life far worse for everybody not in their inner circles is another reason to oppose them everywhere.

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It’s all about the money. Follow the money trail. Look at Chile in the 70’s —the exact, same Libertarians that cannibalized Chile are at work in eastern Europe, except they also are aligned with Putin. SAME NAMES AND FACES. And they are entrenched in the US—the Cato Institute , the Heritage Foundation, the George Mason U. Law and economics departments. All stem back to Buchanan, Milton Friedman, Charles Koch & Gang.

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The trickle down theory that Donald Trump loves and all the GOP since Reagan and probably before helps bring on wealth inequality and sets the stage for social unrest and upheaval that the anarchists and the rich can take advantage of and install corrupt evil narcissistic psychopaths or life. Look at our supreme court.

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Greeley said, "America teeters on the verge of a fascist government, with or without Mr. Trump."

I'm afraid you're right. Trump is their useful idiot.

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I love Hungarian food. My favorite restaurant used to be Shusters in Brookfield Ohio. Iron Kettle, Cincinnati. Old Europe, Pittsburgh. Nothing like them in Baghdad by the Sea, DC, most other places.

My sister in law taught at a Pitt campus in Budapest one summer before the fall of communism. The kids were in the Duquesne Tamboritzans, played and sang in Hungarian. Hungarian room and study at the University of Pittsburgh.

However, according to many sources, as a member of the Rule of Law section of the ABA, George Soros, my family and I are the enemy. That's because Orban, with a lot of followers, is as antisemeitic as nationalistic.

Here's a little primer. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/george-soros-viktor-orban-ceu/588070/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Hungary

I wonder how many Trump donors know about this?

No goiulash, paprikash, at Mar a Lago. https://www.maralagoclub.com/dining

Servers probably temporary visa holders from the Balkans.

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Orban has no gratitude toward Mr. Soros, who is not sympathetic toward fascism, Communism or socialism. George Soros helped the young Viktor Orban to attend Oxford to learn the ways of civil society governed by the rule of law, but Orban became addicted to power once he became the PM.

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Mr Orban didn't learn much of anything at Cambridge. he learned most everything he could from Putin Academy.hormones hospitals only as a guy who could pay for his vacation.

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