Orban is a true fascist who killed democracy in Hungary by applying the usual basic rules for dictator 101. Dismantle freedom of speech, opposition, media and justice system. Name friends and family to all important positions and businesses. He is a living shame for EU. Time for voters to wake up and kick his ass. Amen
We need Magyars for Kamala. An estimated 1.396 million Americans of Hungarian descent as of 2018. The largest concentration of Hungarian Americans is in the Greater Cleveland Metropolitan Area in Northeast Ohio. Others with large Hungarian American populations in New York, California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan, and Florida.
My niece and nephew, although not Hungarian were members of the Duquesne Tamburitzas Hungarian section when they were kids and at one time my sister in law taught at a Pitt campus in Budapest. https://www.nationalityrooms.pitt.edu/rooms/hungarian-room
Anecdotally, I know a lot of Hungarians and virtually none are Republicans.
The majority of Hungarians who immigrated to the United States arrived between 1890 and the start of World War I in 1914. The migration was driven by a combination of factors, including "push" from Hungary and "pull" from the United States. Many Hungarian immigrants settled in industrial cities and mining regions in the northeast.
Hungarian Americans have maintained strong ties to their Hungarian heritage through churches, fraternal organizations, and Hungarian-language newspapers. The American Hungarian Foundation works to preserve and celebrate the Hungarian American culture by digitizing historical records and materials.
These economic migrants were mostly from rural areas, but almost all of them settled in industrial American cities and mining regions.
I’m a Magyar. My mother would always speak Hungarian when my grandparents or her family visited. When they didn’t want us to hear gossip they’d switch over to Hungarian.
Trump gave up too much about the plan when brought up Orban who recently visited him at Maralago. The puppet masters believe Harris will be more useful. As George Carlin said, "Americans have a front row seat."
We have as Thom makes clear an ongoing coup attempt. I have watched my former home state, Florida, taken over by the likes of rick Scott and DeSantis. This sickness has completely ripped our democratic republic to shreds. Our choice in less than sixty days is shockin ly clear. If the MAGA party takes power this time around, there will not be a next time. If you don’t think that’s possible here, take one example of ourcsupreme sick joke of a court full of puppets doing McCon and Trumps bidding. So, for getting women’s rights, in this America, my doctor can not even prescribe a vegafem pill because the healthcare industry that charges me through the nose has commanded only a drippy generic, which is possible rather than a nice neat pill. But viagra and other drug forcerectile problems are available like m & m’s. Women are able to internal inserts that are painful and dangerous and prevent getting pregnant for the convenience of men who don’tcwant the bother of an unwanted child. Women’s bodies, thanks to Orban style judges, no longer have control in the neofascist controlled state. Many men actually like it this way. So if you are registered, antca neofacist, and belong to any marginalized group vote blue. Being a biological woman is only one terminal condition in Orbanized counties where they demonize anyone not them.
For all the talk of working class white people in the US being disaffected due to the disappearance of economic opportunity, and to be fair this is a large problem, the embrace of “Orbanism” by the Republican Party is rooted in patriarchy and racism, period. I often scratch my head as I contemplate the capitulation of the Republican Party to Orban, and Putin and then I remember that this was a predictable evolution when one considers that racism and patriarchy were always the animating forces of this wretched Party.
True, although I'd argue with "always" since this turn mostly traces back to the last quarter of the 19th century, after Reconstruction withered and died. Even then the small-town/rural component survived through the Eisenhower administration, at least in places like New England. It was mostly submerged by the flood of white Southern Democrats who turned Republican after the Dems passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts in the mid-1960s. I'd also add "oligarchy" to the list of animating forces. Jacob Heilbrunn does a good job of recapping "the Right's century-long romance with foreign dictators" -- that's the subtitle of his recent book AMERICA LAST.
Richard, if Trump puts tariffs on imported goods which is basically a sales tax on poor people who don't have enough money already, and if Trump gives the rich another trillion dollars every 10 years in tax breaks, America will go bankrupt. It is inevitable that they will have to start throwing humans off the top deck of the Titanic to keep the ship from sinking faster. The first to go will be the useless eaters or those that collect checks from the government and the homeless and the criminals and the political prisoners. Young healthy immigrant workers will be allowed to stay if they can live on peanuts. The population of America will probably shrink by about 30 million people in my humble opinion. America will lose its World reserve currency status and become another third world fascist, religious septic tank.
Just follow the money and sadism trail and you can figure out what the fascists are going to do. Nothing is too inhumane for them. To them it is just survival of the fittest even though they hate Darwin?
So what the hell is Europe waiting for? They need to kick this guy and Hungary to the curb. Perhaps, they have not done so because they are waiting for the USA to lead the way. But what do they see? They see Trump welcome Orban to the White House and Republicans welcome him and his hate speech at CPAC.
Just like the "immigrants eat pets story", Trump doesn't care where the lies he wants to hear come from. He is a psychopath that recognizes another psychopath when he sees one. Trump, Putin, and Orban totally understand one another. They think they are a world unto themselves. They make it up as they go along while they steal what belongs to their nation's people.
We truly have to save this country first, but then maybe we can convince Europe to strip Orban of any power and influence he has there.
WE are not going back like Hungary has. My father did not risk his life bombing the literal hell out of Germany, so we could end up with our own Hitler or Orban.
Tom - this post is so wonderful- and so scary at the same time. Unfortunately, Trump supporters will never read this, or believe it. They have no idea what it would be like living in this type of world. They only know it will keep certain people out and persecute those they don’t like who are already here.
The thing that is great about our country is that we can be of different persuasions and still get along with each other. An autocratic leader and government tears that apart. I really don’t think anyone wants that.
When the fundamental sentiments of the Ku Klux Klan have become the operating principles of the world's corporate and religious hierarchies, our ideal of popular sovereignty is in serious jeopardy.
What differentiates Trump from Orban is his lack of intellect. I'm surprised that he has gotten as far as he has which indicates that the USA is fertile grounds for fascism. God forbid that Orban was here instead of Trump.
A young Vance is waiting in the wings. Vance is not as intelligent as Orban either. Oligarchs would like that because he could be around for 30 or 40 years being their puppet, if civil war, nuclear war, famine or global warming...doesn't exterminate humans first.
I can't see Vance having any success in the political realm, he lacks subtley and vision and yes he could be easily controlled. One of those possibilities that you mentioned is certain to happen. Over-population is the driving force of all of them and it shows no signs of letting up in a reasonable time frame.
Viktor Orban became President of Hungary because the previous liberal government did nothing about the problem of Islamic migrants coming into their country, he promised to erect a fence and did, he is ejecting immigrants. The liberal democracies of Europe are being threatened by a rising tide of fascism, that exists because the governments are not dealing with the rising tide of Islamic immigrants.
Liberal sensibilities are resulting in the rise of the right.
These are the facts, take a good hard look at what is happening in Europe and even in America, illegal immigration (cultural annihaltion) is driving the rise of the right.
One either confronts reality, or ignores reality.
Making value judgements, calling names, making accusations may be salve for the soul, but they don't solve the problem, but exacerbates and even facilitates the take over of the west by fascist forces.
As illegal migration increases, the power of the right increases and we should see that clearly in this election. The Haitian eats dog claim of Trump, started in Springfield Ohio, by one man whose neighborhood was adjacent to one in which Haitians are settling. And it is catching fire on the right, and growing despite Muir's fact check.
The migrant problem in Europe is cultural, the migrant problem in America is racist.
I think a lot of the "problem" lies within language. The facts are all human beings are, in fact human and therefore have the same potential as any other. No offense meant, but every comment of yours, in this thread, is full of "illegal" immigration and "the problem of ... migrants" and conflating illegal immigration with "cultural annihaltion". What bullshit! Here are some more facts and framing, that would be easier to read if this site allowed paragraph breaks in comments: The problem is that human civilization discovered a readily available source of energy, adopted its use with a vengeance and now refuse to accept the harm it does to every living thing on the planet. We continue to allow tons and tons of carbon into the environment, aggravating the problem. We, the Eurocentric culture base, ie White Xtianity, are responsible for climate change and now that we are seeing for ourselves the effects of GHG and incremental temperature increases, we are trying to lock the door against the people fleeing the "problem" that we caused. It doesn't make white people superior and it certainly is in no way xtian, as I understand it. More like having an arsonist living next door, who burns your house down and then puts up walls and armed men to make sure you can't take refuge with them.
I don't take offense Rae, but there are societal problems, that must be dealt with, and we have to use language to identify the problems, causes and solutions.
We agree on what is the source of the problem. But the problem now exists and has to be dealt with. It serves no purpose kvetching about which came first the chicken or the egg.
There is a problem in front of us, and how do we deal with it.
One big problem is global climate migration, as the south heats up, people move north, and soon the North is unable to sustain not only it's self, but the millions of migrants moving north. This is a source of societal tensions and problems, kvetching over language doesn't solve the problem either A rose by any other name is a rose,a turd by any other name is a turd.
And yes, despite the fact that you object to the term cultural annihilation, that is exactly what is going on in Europe. That accounts for the rise of the right, and whining about the wording doesn't solve the problem.
Judaism and Jewish people have held onto their culture for longer than Xtianity has existed, despite being a minority everywhere they live. What culture is being annihilated in Europe? White European culture? I would suggest that migrants, who are in the minority, do not have the power or influence to annihilate anyone's culture. If anyone's culture is at risk, it would be that of the migrants.
Western culture is being overwhelmed and annihilated by the Islamic culture.
Migrants maybe the minority, but they are already putting pressure on the host culture, demanding accommodations. accommodation becomes preference and deference
There is a tipping point. When a minority culture reaches about 17% and there is a cultural shift
Islamic culture and western culture are no compatible, they are oil and water.
Where Islam is dominant, it requires non Muslims to be submissive.
There are virtually no non Muslims that are citizens of Muslim countries.
Saudi Arabia needs non Muslim engineers and technicians, but unless they are Muslim, they can't live on what they consider sacred Islamic soil.
To accommodate their need they have the Mufti of Mecca, desacrilize patches of land land wall them in, call them compounds, and the kufr can live as they please, and if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport, you are not allowed entry into the country.
Most Islamic states have no Jews or Christian citizens, Egypt has Coptic Christians Despite symbolic gestures by the regime, Coptic Egyptians have faced discrimination by state institutions and ongoing risks of sectarian violence. One area where the state has failed in its protection of the community is the continued barriers to constructing houses of worship.
Christianity in Libya
The status of Coptic Christians in Libya is complicated by a history of persecution and a mass exodus during the Libyan civil war:
Population
The exact number of Coptic Christians in Libya is uncertain, but the Coptic Orthodox Church estimates that there are around 60,000 members.
Persecution
During the Libyan civil war from 2011 to 2015, Islamist militants such as the Ansar al-Sharia, Nusra Front, and Islamic State violently persecuted Copts.
Mass exodus
During the civil war, at least 200,000 Christians fled Libya, decimating the Christian community.
Criminal code
Libya's criminal code prohibits the circulation of publications that aim to "change the fundamental principles of the constitution". Authorities use this to criminalize the circulation of non-Islamic religious materials and speech considered "offensive to Muslims".
Malaysia's constitution states that Islam is the state religion, but non-Muslims are allowed to practice their religions peacefully. However, there are some restrictions on the practice of other religions, such as laws that limit the spread of other religions to Muslims. The federal and state governments also have the power to regulate proselytization, or the act of trying to convert Muslims to another religion. Gays and lesbians are imprisoned in Malaysia.
Most Muslim states have no Jews, or at most 100 or 200, Iran has the largest population of 6,500 and Jews are non voting citizens, second class citizens.
Egypt as 3, Algeria has 200, Morocco has the most Jews 3,000 down from 130,000
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On the other hand Israel has 2 million Arab citizens, with full citizenship rights, and they even had seats in the Knesset.
On the other hand 10% of Frances population at present is Muslim and they have full rights, 6.6% in Germany. 5% in the Netherlands.
You and others might not want to hear it, but fact is that the rise of the Right in Europe is attributable to the cultural anxiety of Islamic migration, western culture and Islamic culture are oil and water.
The migrants that threaten Hungary, a country derived from Magyars, interlopers from the steppes of central Asia (and who once had slanted eyes), are less offensive to modern day Magyars in Finland than the Russians sitting on their eastern border.
Within Syria, I am sorry to report, it's Arab vs Arab. Hundreds of thousands murdered. Estimates of the number of people killed in the Syrian civil war range from 580,000 in May 2021 to approximately 617,910 in March 2024. The United Nations estimated that at least 350,209 people were killed in the conflict between March 2011 and March 2021, but this was likely an undercount.
What you say is true, Never the less Daniel. It was migrants from Syria, Afghanistan that Orban used to bring him to power.
Arabs will fight each other, Asad is anAlawite,whichis a branch of Shia, Isis and the people that he rules are Sunni.
There is Arab v Arab conflict, I've said that, but when Islam is attacked as in Gaza, a propagandized by HAMAS they circle the wagons
On July 31, 1987, a clash between Shia pilgrims,planned by Khomeini and Saudi security forces resulted in over 400 deaths. The event was described as a "riot" or "massacre". The fighting was a result of tensions between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia that had been growing since the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
Saudi Arabia and Iran were negotiating a rapprochement, when Oct 7th happened.
Fecundity and migration. Western culture will be overwhelmed, it is a numbers game.
Anatolia and Syria Paleaistina were once part of the Christian Greo Roman Empire, Persia was once Zoroastrian, Now they are Islamic.
Regardless the values of western culture and Islam are not compatible, Jews have lived within Western culture for thousands of years without changing the values, morals and laws, their contribution has been in slang, music, arts and food (lox and bagles for instance).otherwise Jews have assimilated, I don't think you can say the same for Muslims, they exist in a parallel society, and where they clash they become violent, like in the Charlie Hebdo violence, and riots over Quran burning. Which is in itself ridiculous because that is the prescribed way to dispose of an old worn Quran.
Culltural annihilation doesn't take place overnight, except in the case of conquest as in the Greco Roman and Persian Empires. no it is gradual.
You don't like the word annihilation, then let's call it replacement.
What could not be achieved by force in 732 an 1648, by first the Moors and second by the Ottomans will happen eventually.
Western democracy and culture is weak, and where not toppled from without will be toppled from within. I think it was bin Laden that said, we will use your democracy and freedom to destroy you.
Islam quarrels among itself, but has a unifying principle the Quran andit manifests in the Ummah. Western culture, Christianity has no such unifying principle
Western culture will go the way of the Roman Empire,but in less time.
Islam will, in the end triumph, because people like you are so busy defending them because you think they are the underdogs.
The UN has 193 member states, 57 of them are Muslim ethnostates, one is a Jewish ethnostate. Muslim states,stand together,,when confronted by the kufr (infidel) Western (or if you wish Christians states) don't.
Most of the immigrants coming in to America are coming from countries that made birth control illegal thanks to their religious leaders. All (not almost all) religions of faith are evil. America was founded on separation of church and state and is agnostic. The insane religious faith believers and rational thinking truth seekers cannot possibly get along. It does look like this world is doomed and the living will envy the Dead, thanks to humans that didn't want to evolve.
I agree Bob. I never said religions are evil, but religions are created by men, and men are evil. Their purpose is to create an ideology by whiich to control men.
Moses had his brother Aaron and a bad of cutthroats slit the throats of half the tribe as they slept in their tents, because the tribe rejected his leadership.
Exodus 32: 27-29
Muhammad had the tribe of Jews (Banu Quaryz a) beheaded in Medina, so he could take their wealth., Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-1
Who knows what Constantine did, but Pope Leo "The Great" threw Manicheans to the lions, Charlemagne slaughtered 4,500 Saxons, Olaf Trygvasson, with the Norse call St Olaf, converted the Norse by the sword, Islam the same (the scimitar on the Saudi Flag has a meaning)
The migrant "problem" in both places is both cultural and racist. The two aren't mutually exclusive; in reality they can be and often are closely related. And in both places it can be traced to economic exploitation by the West -- primarily the U.S. in Central and South America, the British and the U.S., with an assist by the French, in the Middle East. Western countries pride themselves on having "democracy" at home but they're fine with dictatorships elsewhere if they're good for business. Don't you ever wonder what might have happened if the U.S. and the UK hadn't collaborated in the overthrow of the Mossadegh government in Iran in 1953?
Racism exists everywhere even in tropical Africa, ex: Hutu's and Tutsi's.
However America's racist problem is quite different and more embedded than in Europe, and as regards culture. America is multicultural, it is the backbone of America. I can see where Haitian culture could cause anxiety, say in Springfield, OH, but it is the color of their skin that causes the most discord.
Migrants from Mexico, Central and South America are Christians, and very conservative Catholics, Evangelicals and Pentecostals, once established in America they are natural allies of the Christian Right, and indeed there is one such example, Mayra Flores, Texas 18 District Republican. She is a naturalized citizen and as MAGA as can be.
Besides it is stereotyping to depict as all migrants from the south as being brown skinned.
How about the newly elected President of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum, a Lilly white Jew.
As regards the overthrow of Mossdegh, I've written thousands of words about it in my comments on substack, and probably will in the future.
A prime example of untended consequences and nations and politicians acting out of immediate needs and gratification, and an example of how nation states are used as tools by corporations and institutions.
Mossadegh cut off the profits of British Petroleum (Now BP) and Dutch Royal Shell, and the CIA and MI6 overthrew him and elevated a lackey of he Pahlevy dynasty, but they cut our Total SA, the French Oil company, and the DGES (Frances CIA/MI6) gave succor to Khomeini and used their diplomatic pouches to smuggle in his cassette tapes.
And they still didn't get the contracts to exploit Iranian oil, the Mullahcracy created the National Iranian Oil Company (NICO) which ran the show, now they are contracting with China.
Who knows what the world would like like if they hadn't conspired to overthrow Mossadegh, but there would have been no Hezbollah, No HAMAS, no Oct 7th, No United Arab Republic, probably no Saddam, no Iran Iraq war, no Operation snowfall and CIA caused cocaine problem,no Iran Contra, Noriega would have been just another tin pot dictator, maybe not at all, because Panama has a great beloved President, a benevolent dictator by name of Omar Efraín Torrijos Herrera, he was a great leader, albeit a benign authoritarian. His motto Lo quiero por mi pueblo, que quiero por mi hijos
(I want for my people what I want for my children) was very paternalistic, but he would not bend to the wishes of international corporations and was killed by a bomb placed on his helicopter and we wound up with a vicious criminal who was a Colonel . I met him in an official capacity in 1976 when he was Chief of Transportation, subsequently chief of military intelligence, in which position he established contact with the CIA, Torrijos suspected and rejected the CIA.
It was thought in Panama por la gente (by the people) that the explosion on the helicopter that killed Torrijos was a CIA assassination.
The CIA had it's own bank, the Merchant Marine Midland Bank on Avenida Balboa, located right next to the Vatican Embassy.
Truly dictator Trump is all happy at the loss of democracy in Hungry and around the world and would love to add America to the list. America has long had its branch of anti-democracy groups as the 50's showed so well especially in the entertainment industry. The pretense of pro-Christian would be rejected by Jesus himself. So we see a minority of American's large enough to threaten democracy around the world. Only a blue wave of voters and office holders can break the tide of worldwide insanity. A campaign of radical Dem voters based 3 or 4 economic issues can insure an outpouring while the media tells us that going to the center where parties go to die is the way. The center is half the population which represents the half of the eligible voters that do not bother to vote. The right understand this and has always used a base voter strategy very effectively where the media always suggest the left use a losing center based strategy.
The eventual de facto result of the current migration of humans is a movement away from personal selfish greed economic policies and into one of the human species as both a physical being and a spirit / soul being. Becoming a Human Being is a universal spiritual trait, regardless of one's religious or spiritual choices, and we have barely scratched the surface of the complexity of what the Human Structure actually is. This mixing of cultures forces our hand at coming forward to face this eventuality and make the necessary changes to project this phase of the human condition / evolution forward. One can classify this as a tenant of the Light. The forces seeking desperately to hold onto the focus of personal power and collective power over universal Human Being recognition are fighting to maintain some sense of control. They are loosing.
Thom, say ON AIR, point your finger at the camera. YOU are part of WE THE PEOPLE, this is NOT about Harris or Trump. Trump lost in 2020, has lied more than anyone I've ever heard of, Trump will loose in 2024. YOUR JOB, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY is to force an electoral college vote more lopsided than Hoover & FDR race. The 21st century Hoover = Trump.
Thom, I seldom write, have been following since you wrote Corporate Personhood, even called you a couple times. I know you're busy, so try to leave you alone. Too late, I have questions. Constitution Article 2, Section 4. Trump doesn't qualify. Now don't do what others have & add anything that isn't there. Trump was Impeached TWICE and convicted 34 FELONIES. Impeachment the House of Rep. decides guilt. It doesn't say the Senate conviction. The Senate only decides penalty. Pres. VP & all officers are gone. It doesn't say who will do that. Our court system has folded to Trump, see how easily they did that? So much for "We the people". #2 Abortion legal via Roe 1973, in that decision states "artificial wombs" no longer experimental & that was 1973. See today, even in Japan commercial business of artificial wombs. This settles the whole abortion issue. Baby lives, mother lives. Oh, the religious right, non-compromising, 1st says is not natural. Wrong, who made the wheel? Yes, we are tech people & that's natural. #2 no resources. The media isn't talking about it! We could have resources in a couple years in the entire country, & that's since 1973. When are we going to do that rather than spending millions playing James Bond with the Supreme Court? See, life of the baby is a selling point, not a goal. It's Galileo all over again. #3 Constitution Article 5, the politicians say we're smart but don't treat us that way, too many arguments to type. Why are you capable & competent to vote on your State Constitution but incapable and incompetent to vote on your national Constitution? Paul cripple2001@gmail.com P.S. I had to switch credit card #, how do I re-sign with the new number?
To infuse the US Gov't with Mad King Donald's and the GOP's Orban fetish, would be just like pushing the plunger of a massive syringe filled with a cocktail full of AIDS, M-Pox, COVID, RSV, EEE, Dengue, and STDs — fresh from the lab — deep into the gluteus maximus (butt) of America's body politic.
It hardly seems like 'soft fascism' the way you describe what is occuring in Hungary. Orban & his cronies are nothing more than a reincarnation of Hitler & his henchmen. Same slogans, same racism, same theft, same persecution. Seems it will just be a matter of time until he starts rounding up his enemies & throws them into camps to de-program from their liberal ideas to the acceptable fascist theories. And that's what trump & his buddies want here. He is already talking about mass deportation, mass incarceration & it will be bloody, it has to be that way & we will do it, we don't want to but for the good of the country we'll do it. Sounds an awful lot like the Wannsee Conference where the final solution was decided upon & while I'm guessing/hoping that mass murder will not be the outcome of all of this I can certainly see lots of 'legal' punishments of 'traitors' taking place where the 'perpetrator' just happens to die while in custody!
Think this through Republicans if you can still think on your own. I'm pretty sure that even you won't be happy with the outcome of trump & project 2025!
Orban is a true fascist who killed democracy in Hungary by applying the usual basic rules for dictator 101. Dismantle freedom of speech, opposition, media and justice system. Name friends and family to all important positions and businesses. He is a living shame for EU. Time for voters to wake up and kick his ass. Amen
We need Magyars for Kamala. An estimated 1.396 million Americans of Hungarian descent as of 2018. The largest concentration of Hungarian Americans is in the Greater Cleveland Metropolitan Area in Northeast Ohio. Others with large Hungarian American populations in New York, California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan, and Florida.
My niece and nephew, although not Hungarian were members of the Duquesne Tamburitzas Hungarian section when they were kids and at one time my sister in law taught at a Pitt campus in Budapest. https://www.nationalityrooms.pitt.edu/rooms/hungarian-room
https://lctl.pitt.edu/languages/hungarian
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-VUA2B9-c5zVXxem6Y1f7Q/videos
Anecdotally, I know a lot of Hungarians and virtually none are Republicans.
The majority of Hungarians who immigrated to the United States arrived between 1890 and the start of World War I in 1914. The migration was driven by a combination of factors, including "push" from Hungary and "pull" from the United States. Many Hungarian immigrants settled in industrial cities and mining regions in the northeast.
Hungarian Americans have maintained strong ties to their Hungarian heritage through churches, fraternal organizations, and Hungarian-language newspapers. The American Hungarian Foundation works to preserve and celebrate the Hungarian American culture by digitizing historical records and materials.
These economic migrants were mostly from rural areas, but almost all of them settled in industrial American cities and mining regions.
I love the food.
I’m a Magyar. My mother would always speak Hungarian when my grandparents or her family visited. When they didn’t want us to hear gossip they’d switch over to Hungarian.
So...are you a Magyar for Kamala?
Absolutely!
There was a flood of Hungarians after the uprising of 1956, and among them were quite a few 5th columnists.
I am suspicious about people who can manage to get passports and visas, after a hostile and authoritarian regime clamps down.
The latest is anyone who is able to fly out of Kabul, they can only board a plane with the
permission of the Taliban government.
That's true. Some turned out to have been Nazis.
What is also true is that George Soros had more to do with Hungarian sovereignty than Orban. https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/newsroom/the-open-society-foundations-in-hungary
Trump gave up too much about the plan when brought up Orban who recently visited him at Maralago. The puppet masters believe Harris will be more useful. As George Carlin said, "Americans have a front row seat."
We have as Thom makes clear an ongoing coup attempt. I have watched my former home state, Florida, taken over by the likes of rick Scott and DeSantis. This sickness has completely ripped our democratic republic to shreds. Our choice in less than sixty days is shockin ly clear. If the MAGA party takes power this time around, there will not be a next time. If you don’t think that’s possible here, take one example of ourcsupreme sick joke of a court full of puppets doing McCon and Trumps bidding. So, for getting women’s rights, in this America, my doctor can not even prescribe a vegafem pill because the healthcare industry that charges me through the nose has commanded only a drippy generic, which is possible rather than a nice neat pill. But viagra and other drug forcerectile problems are available like m & m’s. Women are able to internal inserts that are painful and dangerous and prevent getting pregnant for the convenience of men who don’tcwant the bother of an unwanted child. Women’s bodies, thanks to Orban style judges, no longer have control in the neofascist controlled state. Many men actually like it this way. So if you are registered, antca neofacist, and belong to any marginalized group vote blue. Being a biological woman is only one terminal condition in Orbanized counties where they demonize anyone not them.
We need to stop using the word "strongman", it's far too complimentary, "tyrant" seems more appropriate and descriptive.
For all the talk of working class white people in the US being disaffected due to the disappearance of economic opportunity, and to be fair this is a large problem, the embrace of “Orbanism” by the Republican Party is rooted in patriarchy and racism, period. I often scratch my head as I contemplate the capitulation of the Republican Party to Orban, and Putin and then I remember that this was a predictable evolution when one considers that racism and patriarchy were always the animating forces of this wretched Party.
True, although I'd argue with "always" since this turn mostly traces back to the last quarter of the 19th century, after Reconstruction withered and died. Even then the small-town/rural component survived through the Eisenhower administration, at least in places like New England. It was mostly submerged by the flood of white Southern Democrats who turned Republican after the Dems passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts in the mid-1960s. I'd also add "oligarchy" to the list of animating forces. Jacob Heilbrunn does a good job of recapping "the Right's century-long romance with foreign dictators" -- that's the subtitle of his recent book AMERICA LAST.
Richard, if Trump puts tariffs on imported goods which is basically a sales tax on poor people who don't have enough money already, and if Trump gives the rich another trillion dollars every 10 years in tax breaks, America will go bankrupt. It is inevitable that they will have to start throwing humans off the top deck of the Titanic to keep the ship from sinking faster. The first to go will be the useless eaters or those that collect checks from the government and the homeless and the criminals and the political prisoners. Young healthy immigrant workers will be allowed to stay if they can live on peanuts. The population of America will probably shrink by about 30 million people in my humble opinion. America will lose its World reserve currency status and become another third world fascist, religious septic tank.
Just follow the money and sadism trail and you can figure out what the fascists are going to do. Nothing is too inhumane for them. To them it is just survival of the fittest even though they hate Darwin?
So what the hell is Europe waiting for? They need to kick this guy and Hungary to the curb. Perhaps, they have not done so because they are waiting for the USA to lead the way. But what do they see? They see Trump welcome Orban to the White House and Republicans welcome him and his hate speech at CPAC.
Just like the "immigrants eat pets story", Trump doesn't care where the lies he wants to hear come from. He is a psychopath that recognizes another psychopath when he sees one. Trump, Putin, and Orban totally understand one another. They think they are a world unto themselves. They make it up as they go along while they steal what belongs to their nation's people.
We truly have to save this country first, but then maybe we can convince Europe to strip Orban of any power and influence he has there.
WE are not going back like Hungary has. My father did not risk his life bombing the literal hell out of Germany, so we could end up with our own Hitler or Orban.
Alis, don't forget to add Musk to your list. It's not required to be the official leader of a country anymore to control world events.
World's richest man on track to be the first trillion-aire. In truth, he really has went from hero to zero. His creepin' on Taylor? More proof!
Musk has too much power for one person. Turning off starlink in Ukraine last year.
This is a scary article and one everyone should read. That skunk trump and carlson should b e hung for treason. I'm sharing.
Tom - this post is so wonderful- and so scary at the same time. Unfortunately, Trump supporters will never read this, or believe it. They have no idea what it would be like living in this type of world. They only know it will keep certain people out and persecute those they don’t like who are already here.
The thing that is great about our country is that we can be of different persuasions and still get along with each other. An autocratic leader and government tears that apart. I really don’t think anyone wants that.
When the fundamental sentiments of the Ku Klux Klan have become the operating principles of the world's corporate and religious hierarchies, our ideal of popular sovereignty is in serious jeopardy.
What differentiates Trump from Orban is his lack of intellect. I'm surprised that he has gotten as far as he has which indicates that the USA is fertile grounds for fascism. God forbid that Orban was here instead of Trump.
A young Vance is waiting in the wings. Vance is not as intelligent as Orban either. Oligarchs would like that because he could be around for 30 or 40 years being their puppet, if civil war, nuclear war, famine or global warming...doesn't exterminate humans first.
I can't see Vance having any success in the political realm, he lacks subtley and vision and yes he could be easily controlled. One of those possibilities that you mentioned is certain to happen. Over-population is the driving force of all of them and it shows no signs of letting up in a reasonable time frame.
Viktor Orban became President of Hungary because the previous liberal government did nothing about the problem of Islamic migrants coming into their country, he promised to erect a fence and did, he is ejecting immigrants. The liberal democracies of Europe are being threatened by a rising tide of fascism, that exists because the governments are not dealing with the rising tide of Islamic immigrants.
Liberal sensibilities are resulting in the rise of the right.
These are the facts, take a good hard look at what is happening in Europe and even in America, illegal immigration (cultural annihaltion) is driving the rise of the right.
One either confronts reality, or ignores reality.
Making value judgements, calling names, making accusations may be salve for the soul, but they don't solve the problem, but exacerbates and even facilitates the take over of the west by fascist forces.
As illegal migration increases, the power of the right increases and we should see that clearly in this election. The Haitian eats dog claim of Trump, started in Springfield Ohio, by one man whose neighborhood was adjacent to one in which Haitians are settling. And it is catching fire on the right, and growing despite Muir's fact check.
The migrant problem in Europe is cultural, the migrant problem in America is racist.
I think a lot of the "problem" lies within language. The facts are all human beings are, in fact human and therefore have the same potential as any other. No offense meant, but every comment of yours, in this thread, is full of "illegal" immigration and "the problem of ... migrants" and conflating illegal immigration with "cultural annihaltion". What bullshit! Here are some more facts and framing, that would be easier to read if this site allowed paragraph breaks in comments: The problem is that human civilization discovered a readily available source of energy, adopted its use with a vengeance and now refuse to accept the harm it does to every living thing on the planet. We continue to allow tons and tons of carbon into the environment, aggravating the problem. We, the Eurocentric culture base, ie White Xtianity, are responsible for climate change and now that we are seeing for ourselves the effects of GHG and incremental temperature increases, we are trying to lock the door against the people fleeing the "problem" that we caused. It doesn't make white people superior and it certainly is in no way xtian, as I understand it. More like having an arsonist living next door, who burns your house down and then puts up walls and armed men to make sure you can't take refuge with them.
I don't take offense Rae, but there are societal problems, that must be dealt with, and we have to use language to identify the problems, causes and solutions.
We agree on what is the source of the problem. But the problem now exists and has to be dealt with. It serves no purpose kvetching about which came first the chicken or the egg.
There is a problem in front of us, and how do we deal with it.
One big problem is global climate migration, as the south heats up, people move north, and soon the North is unable to sustain not only it's self, but the millions of migrants moving north. This is a source of societal tensions and problems, kvetching over language doesn't solve the problem either A rose by any other name is a rose,a turd by any other name is a turd.
And yes, despite the fact that you object to the term cultural annihilation, that is exactly what is going on in Europe. That accounts for the rise of the right, and whining about the wording doesn't solve the problem.
Judaism and Jewish people have held onto their culture for longer than Xtianity has existed, despite being a minority everywhere they live. What culture is being annihilated in Europe? White European culture? I would suggest that migrants, who are in the minority, do not have the power or influence to annihilate anyone's culture. If anyone's culture is at risk, it would be that of the migrants.
Western culture is being overwhelmed and annihilated by the Islamic culture.
Migrants maybe the minority, but they are already putting pressure on the host culture, demanding accommodations. accommodation becomes preference and deference
There is a tipping point. When a minority culture reaches about 17% and there is a cultural shift
Islamic culture and western culture are no compatible, they are oil and water.
Where Islam is dominant, it requires non Muslims to be submissive.
There are virtually no non Muslims that are citizens of Muslim countries.
Saudi Arabia needs non Muslim engineers and technicians, but unless they are Muslim, they can't live on what they consider sacred Islamic soil.
To accommodate their need they have the Mufti of Mecca, desacrilize patches of land land wall them in, call them compounds, and the kufr can live as they please, and if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport, you are not allowed entry into the country.
Most Islamic states have no Jews or Christian citizens, Egypt has Coptic Christians Despite symbolic gestures by the regime, Coptic Egyptians have faced discrimination by state institutions and ongoing risks of sectarian violence. One area where the state has failed in its protection of the community is the continued barriers to constructing houses of worship.
Christianity in Libya
The status of Coptic Christians in Libya is complicated by a history of persecution and a mass exodus during the Libyan civil war:
Population
The exact number of Coptic Christians in Libya is uncertain, but the Coptic Orthodox Church estimates that there are around 60,000 members.
Persecution
During the Libyan civil war from 2011 to 2015, Islamist militants such as the Ansar al-Sharia, Nusra Front, and Islamic State violently persecuted Copts.
Mass exodus
During the civil war, at least 200,000 Christians fled Libya, decimating the Christian community.
Criminal code
Libya's criminal code prohibits the circulation of publications that aim to "change the fundamental principles of the constitution". Authorities use this to criminalize the circulation of non-Islamic religious materials and speech considered "offensive to Muslims".
Malaysia's constitution states that Islam is the state religion, but non-Muslims are allowed to practice their religions peacefully. However, there are some restrictions on the practice of other religions, such as laws that limit the spread of other religions to Muslims. The federal and state governments also have the power to regulate proselytization, or the act of trying to convert Muslims to another religion. Gays and lesbians are imprisoned in Malaysia.
Most Muslim states have no Jews, or at most 100 or 200, Iran has the largest population of 6,500 and Jews are non voting citizens, second class citizens.
Egypt as 3, Algeria has 200, Morocco has the most Jews 3,000 down from 130,000
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On the other hand Israel has 2 million Arab citizens, with full citizenship rights, and they even had seats in the Knesset.
On the other hand 10% of Frances population at present is Muslim and they have full rights, 6.6% in Germany. 5% in the Netherlands.
You and others might not want to hear it, but fact is that the rise of the Right in Europe is attributable to the cultural anxiety of Islamic migration, western culture and Islamic culture are oil and water.
The migrants that threaten Hungary, a country derived from Magyars, interlopers from the steppes of central Asia (and who once had slanted eyes), are less offensive to modern day Magyars in Finland than the Russians sitting on their eastern border.
Within Syria, I am sorry to report, it's Arab vs Arab. Hundreds of thousands murdered. Estimates of the number of people killed in the Syrian civil war range from 580,000 in May 2021 to approximately 617,910 in March 2024. The United Nations estimated that at least 350,209 people were killed in the conflict between March 2011 and March 2021, but this was likely an undercount.
What you say is true, Never the less Daniel. It was migrants from Syria, Afghanistan that Orban used to bring him to power.
Arabs will fight each other, Asad is anAlawite,whichis a branch of Shia, Isis and the people that he rules are Sunni.
There is Arab v Arab conflict, I've said that, but when Islam is attacked as in Gaza, a propagandized by HAMAS they circle the wagons
On July 31, 1987, a clash between Shia pilgrims,planned by Khomeini and Saudi security forces resulted in over 400 deaths. The event was described as a "riot" or "massacre". The fighting was a result of tensions between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia that had been growing since the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
Saudi Arabia and Iran were negotiating a rapprochement, when Oct 7th happened.
Fecundity and migration. Western culture will be overwhelmed, it is a numbers game.
Anatolia and Syria Paleaistina were once part of the Christian Greo Roman Empire, Persia was once Zoroastrian, Now they are Islamic.
Regardless the values of western culture and Islam are not compatible, Jews have lived within Western culture for thousands of years without changing the values, morals and laws, their contribution has been in slang, music, arts and food (lox and bagles for instance).otherwise Jews have assimilated, I don't think you can say the same for Muslims, they exist in a parallel society, and where they clash they become violent, like in the Charlie Hebdo violence, and riots over Quran burning. Which is in itself ridiculous because that is the prescribed way to dispose of an old worn Quran.
Culltural annihilation doesn't take place overnight, except in the case of conquest as in the Greco Roman and Persian Empires. no it is gradual.
You don't like the word annihilation, then let's call it replacement.
What could not be achieved by force in 732 an 1648, by first the Moors and second by the Ottomans will happen eventually.
Western democracy and culture is weak, and where not toppled from without will be toppled from within. I think it was bin Laden that said, we will use your democracy and freedom to destroy you.
Islam quarrels among itself, but has a unifying principle the Quran andit manifests in the Ummah. Western culture, Christianity has no such unifying principle
Western culture will go the way of the Roman Empire,but in less time.
Islam will, in the end triumph, because people like you are so busy defending them because you think they are the underdogs.
The UN has 193 member states, 57 of them are Muslim ethnostates, one is a Jewish ethnostate. Muslim states,stand together,,when confronted by the kufr (infidel) Western (or if you wish Christians states) don't.
Most of the immigrants coming in to America are coming from countries that made birth control illegal thanks to their religious leaders. All (not almost all) religions of faith are evil. America was founded on separation of church and state and is agnostic. The insane religious faith believers and rational thinking truth seekers cannot possibly get along. It does look like this world is doomed and the living will envy the Dead, thanks to humans that didn't want to evolve.
I agree Bob. I never said religions are evil, but religions are created by men, and men are evil. Their purpose is to create an ideology by whiich to control men.
https://www.amazon.com/Word-controlled-humans-brief-history/dp/091475212X if you can find it.
Moses had his brother Aaron and a bad of cutthroats slit the throats of half the tribe as they slept in their tents, because the tribe rejected his leadership.
Exodus 32: 27-29
Muhammad had the tribe of Jews (Banu Quaryz a) beheaded in Medina, so he could take their wealth., Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-1
Who knows what Constantine did, but Pope Leo "The Great" threw Manicheans to the lions, Charlemagne slaughtered 4,500 Saxons, Olaf Trygvasson, with the Norse call St Olaf, converted the Norse by the sword, Islam the same (the scimitar on the Saudi Flag has a meaning)
Good analogy, Rae.
The migrant "problem" in both places is both cultural and racist. The two aren't mutually exclusive; in reality they can be and often are closely related. And in both places it can be traced to economic exploitation by the West -- primarily the U.S. in Central and South America, the British and the U.S., with an assist by the French, in the Middle East. Western countries pride themselves on having "democracy" at home but they're fine with dictatorships elsewhere if they're good for business. Don't you ever wonder what might have happened if the U.S. and the UK hadn't collaborated in the overthrow of the Mossadegh government in Iran in 1953?
Racism exists everywhere even in tropical Africa, ex: Hutu's and Tutsi's.
However America's racist problem is quite different and more embedded than in Europe, and as regards culture. America is multicultural, it is the backbone of America. I can see where Haitian culture could cause anxiety, say in Springfield, OH, but it is the color of their skin that causes the most discord.
Migrants from Mexico, Central and South America are Christians, and very conservative Catholics, Evangelicals and Pentecostals, once established in America they are natural allies of the Christian Right, and indeed there is one such example, Mayra Flores, Texas 18 District Republican. She is a naturalized citizen and as MAGA as can be.
Besides it is stereotyping to depict as all migrants from the south as being brown skinned.
How about the newly elected President of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum, a Lilly white Jew.
As regards the overthrow of Mossdegh, I've written thousands of words about it in my comments on substack, and probably will in the future.
A prime example of untended consequences and nations and politicians acting out of immediate needs and gratification, and an example of how nation states are used as tools by corporations and institutions.
Mossadegh cut off the profits of British Petroleum (Now BP) and Dutch Royal Shell, and the CIA and MI6 overthrew him and elevated a lackey of he Pahlevy dynasty, but they cut our Total SA, the French Oil company, and the DGES (Frances CIA/MI6) gave succor to Khomeini and used their diplomatic pouches to smuggle in his cassette tapes.
And they still didn't get the contracts to exploit Iranian oil, the Mullahcracy created the National Iranian Oil Company (NICO) which ran the show, now they are contracting with China.
Who knows what the world would like like if they hadn't conspired to overthrow Mossadegh, but there would have been no Hezbollah, No HAMAS, no Oct 7th, No United Arab Republic, probably no Saddam, no Iran Iraq war, no Operation snowfall and CIA caused cocaine problem,no Iran Contra, Noriega would have been just another tin pot dictator, maybe not at all, because Panama has a great beloved President, a benevolent dictator by name of Omar Efraín Torrijos Herrera, he was a great leader, albeit a benign authoritarian. His motto Lo quiero por mi pueblo, que quiero por mi hijos
(I want for my people what I want for my children) was very paternalistic, but he would not bend to the wishes of international corporations and was killed by a bomb placed on his helicopter and we wound up with a vicious criminal who was a Colonel . I met him in an official capacity in 1976 when he was Chief of Transportation, subsequently chief of military intelligence, in which position he established contact with the CIA, Torrijos suspected and rejected the CIA.
It was thought in Panama por la gente (by the people) that the explosion on the helicopter that killed Torrijos was a CIA assassination.
The CIA had it's own bank, the Merchant Marine Midland Bank on Avenida Balboa, located right next to the Vatican Embassy.
The choice this fall is binary. Any elected Republican who fails to endorse Kamala Harris is a fascist by default. Neither forgive nor forget.
Truly dictator Trump is all happy at the loss of democracy in Hungry and around the world and would love to add America to the list. America has long had its branch of anti-democracy groups as the 50's showed so well especially in the entertainment industry. The pretense of pro-Christian would be rejected by Jesus himself. So we see a minority of American's large enough to threaten democracy around the world. Only a blue wave of voters and office holders can break the tide of worldwide insanity. A campaign of radical Dem voters based 3 or 4 economic issues can insure an outpouring while the media tells us that going to the center where parties go to die is the way. The center is half the population which represents the half of the eligible voters that do not bother to vote. The right understand this and has always used a base voter strategy very effectively where the media always suggest the left use a losing center based strategy.
The eventual de facto result of the current migration of humans is a movement away from personal selfish greed economic policies and into one of the human species as both a physical being and a spirit / soul being. Becoming a Human Being is a universal spiritual trait, regardless of one's religious or spiritual choices, and we have barely scratched the surface of the complexity of what the Human Structure actually is. This mixing of cultures forces our hand at coming forward to face this eventuality and make the necessary changes to project this phase of the human condition / evolution forward. One can classify this as a tenant of the Light. The forces seeking desperately to hold onto the focus of personal power and collective power over universal Human Being recognition are fighting to maintain some sense of control. They are loosing.
Soul satisfying thoughts Frank, but they fly in the face of reality
My ideal is a world where lambs lie down with lions, but damn the lions need to eat.
Wildebeests from Petrie dishes.
Thom, say ON AIR, point your finger at the camera. YOU are part of WE THE PEOPLE, this is NOT about Harris or Trump. Trump lost in 2020, has lied more than anyone I've ever heard of, Trump will loose in 2024. YOUR JOB, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY is to force an electoral college vote more lopsided than Hoover & FDR race. The 21st century Hoover = Trump.
Thom, I seldom write, have been following since you wrote Corporate Personhood, even called you a couple times. I know you're busy, so try to leave you alone. Too late, I have questions. Constitution Article 2, Section 4. Trump doesn't qualify. Now don't do what others have & add anything that isn't there. Trump was Impeached TWICE and convicted 34 FELONIES. Impeachment the House of Rep. decides guilt. It doesn't say the Senate conviction. The Senate only decides penalty. Pres. VP & all officers are gone. It doesn't say who will do that. Our court system has folded to Trump, see how easily they did that? So much for "We the people". #2 Abortion legal via Roe 1973, in that decision states "artificial wombs" no longer experimental & that was 1973. See today, even in Japan commercial business of artificial wombs. This settles the whole abortion issue. Baby lives, mother lives. Oh, the religious right, non-compromising, 1st says is not natural. Wrong, who made the wheel? Yes, we are tech people & that's natural. #2 no resources. The media isn't talking about it! We could have resources in a couple years in the entire country, & that's since 1973. When are we going to do that rather than spending millions playing James Bond with the Supreme Court? See, life of the baby is a selling point, not a goal. It's Galileo all over again. #3 Constitution Article 5, the politicians say we're smart but don't treat us that way, too many arguments to type. Why are you capable & competent to vote on your State Constitution but incapable and incompetent to vote on your national Constitution? Paul cripple2001@gmail.com P.S. I had to switch credit card #, how do I re-sign with the new number?
To infuse the US Gov't with Mad King Donald's and the GOP's Orban fetish, would be just like pushing the plunger of a massive syringe filled with a cocktail full of AIDS, M-Pox, COVID, RSV, EEE, Dengue, and STDs — fresh from the lab — deep into the gluteus maximus (butt) of America's body politic.
What could go wrong?
It hardly seems like 'soft fascism' the way you describe what is occuring in Hungary. Orban & his cronies are nothing more than a reincarnation of Hitler & his henchmen. Same slogans, same racism, same theft, same persecution. Seems it will just be a matter of time until he starts rounding up his enemies & throws them into camps to de-program from their liberal ideas to the acceptable fascist theories. And that's what trump & his buddies want here. He is already talking about mass deportation, mass incarceration & it will be bloody, it has to be that way & we will do it, we don't want to but for the good of the country we'll do it. Sounds an awful lot like the Wannsee Conference where the final solution was decided upon & while I'm guessing/hoping that mass murder will not be the outcome of all of this I can certainly see lots of 'legal' punishments of 'traitors' taking place where the 'perpetrator' just happens to die while in custody!
Think this through Republicans if you can still think on your own. I'm pretty sure that even you won't be happy with the outcome of trump & project 2025!