The greedy unlimited capitalists make a lot of their money on population growth. Mostly through real estate prices going up. About 1/3 of this nation has been brought in since about 1980. The minimum wage is still 7.25 an hour in a lot of states. When there is a worker shortage, the employers must pay more money and unions aren't needed …
The greedy unlimited capitalists make a lot of their money on population growth. Mostly through real estate prices going up. About 1/3 of this nation has been brought in since about 1980. The minimum wage is still 7.25 an hour in a lot of states. When there is a worker shortage, the employers must pay more money and unions aren't needed as badly. Immigrants of all races have made the rich right-wing fascists richer in more ways than one. I pity all the poor newborn babies under the age of 100. That's probably about 85%. I'm a big fan of pro-choice to end human suffering.
Could you provide a citation for your assertion about 1/3 of us being immigrants? That's just not the case in any study I can find. You can get real data (as opposed to right wing spin) at: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time. Immigration today is at the same level as 1900. In 2020, the percentage of immigrants against the total US population is 13.6%, which is actually somewhat lower than in 1900. Of course, in 1900, it was mostly white folk and now there are a lot of brown folk. Is that your beef? My experience is that is the beef for most of the anti-immigration crowd. You need to get better sources of information, or failing that, provide valid citations for your assertions. Newsman, Fox and OAN are off the table as they are propaganda sites, not scientific/study sites.
Also, I don't disagree about greedy capitalists. But the ways in which they are screwing us over has little to do with immigration. Are you really upset that undocumented workers are bent over picking strawberries 12 hours a day or working in grueling and unsafe conditions in meat packing plants? How loudly would you complain if prices for these things, say, doubled if immigrants weren't available to do the job. If you ARE upset about these things, whose fault is it? Is it the immigrant looking for a better life or the business owners looking to improve their profits? Why aren't business owners who purposely recruit undocumented workers punished with less than serious financial slap on the wrist. It simply costs them less to pay a few fines than to hire US citizens. Conservative businessmen offshored our good jobs and industries to improve the bottom line for stockholders - 10% of whom own about 90% of the stocks. They were aided and abetted by both parties and by the American people who demanded cheaper and cheaper goods. We did it to ourselves as much as the greedy capitalists did it to us. And for the record, unions are desperately needed to counter the problems you point out.
Susie, I am more concerned about the fate of all the children who will be raised in poverty and all of the criminals created by financial insecurity that I am about the color of anybody's skin. I never wanted Russian immigrants Irish immigrants European immigrants polish immigrants either. America's population in 1980 was 226 million and currently in 2022 it is 336 million please look it up on the internet I am not very good with the smartphones. Billions of people will be put at the mercy of the conservative right-wing fascist robber barons. I was not taught capitalism was unsustainable in school and I was not taught that religions are evil and I was not taught that the family unit ruins more children than it raises. I was groomed to be just another cog in the wheel. It looks like reality is going to hit the fan pretty soon in the thug sociopath can't wait and when they end up in a third world working for less than a dollar an hour they will wish they had FDR back.
I don't think we're so far apart on many issues, but I just don't see immigrants as the problem. Yes, population has increased, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, since our system is based on growth and we are reproducing at a less than one for one levels. Whether or not we should base our economy on exponential growth is another issue, as it is ultimately unsustainable. But it IS our economic system.
What difference does it make if the immigrant is here doing the work or in their home countries doing the work that was off-shored by corporate executives? Citizens in the USA are denied those jobs. It's the same dynamic, except here, at least, they pay taxes and have *relatively* safe working conditions. Here, at least, we are not building up another country to be both a military and economic threat with our purchases. Here, at least, immigrant labor brings prosperity to communities - something off-shoring does not.
IMO, real reform would be forcing industry back to the USA, biting the bullet and paying the price for goods sustainably and fairly made. But it is our citizens - the very people negatively impacted the most by outsourcing - who balk at the thought of higher prices. We've become addicted to cheap goods. Me too, but trying to recover. It is easy to look at those dirty corporations that took our jobs overseas; more difficult to look in the mirror and understand our roles.
Oligarchs become oligarchs because they get rich delivering what people want. It started out with what I call the $5 Walmart (or any big box) shirt. A decent shirt cannot be produced, marketed, shipped across an ocean, unpacked, stocked and sold for $5 without exploitative labor practices. This should be obvious. But US citizens hustled as fast as they could to those big boxes to buy those $5 shirts. The oligarchs were there to assure us, via their pundits and think tanks that 1) Oh, we're lifting these people up; all boats are going to rise as a result (LIE: it has become a race to the bottom.) 2) We have good, safe labor standards for our subcontractors who produce our products (LIE: over and over again we find sweatshops and appalling conditions for mostly female workers) and 3) Look how cheaply we can provide goods! (That one, at least is true.)
When I noticed all the shoes coming from China, way back in the 70's, I tried to buy American. When I could *find* American-made shoes, which were only at the high-end stores, they were 5X the price of the cheap Chinese versions at the big box. I bought one pair for myself, but for my kids, who needed bigger sizes every six months, I gave in to temptation and bought them at Walmart. I became part of the problem. Now, there is almost NO choice about shoes. They come from China, even at the high end.
I'd rather the industries be here where we can monitor safety and work standards, getting taxes and building up communities.
Immigrants help grow our economy and improve the strength of our nation. Many serve in our military. They pay taxes and they generally work very hard and do jobs many citizens don't want. It is true that they are a concern in some industries (construction, meat packing, etc.) But nobody would come here and sign up for that work if corporations did not encourage it and government did not tolerate it. The immigrants themselves are not the problem. Corporatocracy is the problem. The oligarchs are the problem. Always have been in the USA.
I remember when free trade was always being discussed I think it was about the early 80s or so, I would use the analogy, we are in a dingy and we're going to catch a whale. I wish I was wrong. Yes please right wing gunmongers most of never worked a day in their life. By work I mean picking strawberries or beans and only making about 85 cents an hour in 100° weather. I did all those jobs graduated from high school but no criminal record and still couldn't get hired because I didn't have connections. The gun nuts that don't like to wear masks or get vaccinated they have not a clue what they will inherit with a robber baron as a dictator. They will be replaced and younger workers who work for half as much will get their jobs.
We need to bring a lot of manufacturing jobs back like textiles. Our homeless could do those kinds of jobs. Also of course we need to bring the pharmaceutical industry and the chip manufacturing industries back before we are dumped, which I think is in the cards. Overpopulation in reality and greed are our biggest problems. If humans could live in 350 ft apartments and road electric bicycles, and all the power plants ran on geothermal energy and the airplanes ran on biofuels, in my opinion there could be enough room on Earth for 10 billion people, but with global warming it looks like about 1 billion will be able to survive.
The greedy unlimited capitalists make a lot of their money on population growth. Mostly through real estate prices going up. About 1/3 of this nation has been brought in since about 1980. The minimum wage is still 7.25 an hour in a lot of states. When there is a worker shortage, the employers must pay more money and unions aren't needed as badly. Immigrants of all races have made the rich right-wing fascists richer in more ways than one. I pity all the poor newborn babies under the age of 100. That's probably about 85%. I'm a big fan of pro-choice to end human suffering.
Could you provide a citation for your assertion about 1/3 of us being immigrants? That's just not the case in any study I can find. You can get real data (as opposed to right wing spin) at: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time. Immigration today is at the same level as 1900. In 2020, the percentage of immigrants against the total US population is 13.6%, which is actually somewhat lower than in 1900. Of course, in 1900, it was mostly white folk and now there are a lot of brown folk. Is that your beef? My experience is that is the beef for most of the anti-immigration crowd. You need to get better sources of information, or failing that, provide valid citations for your assertions. Newsman, Fox and OAN are off the table as they are propaganda sites, not scientific/study sites.
Also, I don't disagree about greedy capitalists. But the ways in which they are screwing us over has little to do with immigration. Are you really upset that undocumented workers are bent over picking strawberries 12 hours a day or working in grueling and unsafe conditions in meat packing plants? How loudly would you complain if prices for these things, say, doubled if immigrants weren't available to do the job. If you ARE upset about these things, whose fault is it? Is it the immigrant looking for a better life or the business owners looking to improve their profits? Why aren't business owners who purposely recruit undocumented workers punished with less than serious financial slap on the wrist. It simply costs them less to pay a few fines than to hire US citizens. Conservative businessmen offshored our good jobs and industries to improve the bottom line for stockholders - 10% of whom own about 90% of the stocks. They were aided and abetted by both parties and by the American people who demanded cheaper and cheaper goods. We did it to ourselves as much as the greedy capitalists did it to us. And for the record, unions are desperately needed to counter the problems you point out.
Susie, I am more concerned about the fate of all the children who will be raised in poverty and all of the criminals created by financial insecurity that I am about the color of anybody's skin. I never wanted Russian immigrants Irish immigrants European immigrants polish immigrants either. America's population in 1980 was 226 million and currently in 2022 it is 336 million please look it up on the internet I am not very good with the smartphones. Billions of people will be put at the mercy of the conservative right-wing fascist robber barons. I was not taught capitalism was unsustainable in school and I was not taught that religions are evil and I was not taught that the family unit ruins more children than it raises. I was groomed to be just another cog in the wheel. It looks like reality is going to hit the fan pretty soon in the thug sociopath can't wait and when they end up in a third world working for less than a dollar an hour they will wish they had FDR back.
I don't think we're so far apart on many issues, but I just don't see immigrants as the problem. Yes, population has increased, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, since our system is based on growth and we are reproducing at a less than one for one levels. Whether or not we should base our economy on exponential growth is another issue, as it is ultimately unsustainable. But it IS our economic system.
What difference does it make if the immigrant is here doing the work or in their home countries doing the work that was off-shored by corporate executives? Citizens in the USA are denied those jobs. It's the same dynamic, except here, at least, they pay taxes and have *relatively* safe working conditions. Here, at least, we are not building up another country to be both a military and economic threat with our purchases. Here, at least, immigrant labor brings prosperity to communities - something off-shoring does not.
IMO, real reform would be forcing industry back to the USA, biting the bullet and paying the price for goods sustainably and fairly made. But it is our citizens - the very people negatively impacted the most by outsourcing - who balk at the thought of higher prices. We've become addicted to cheap goods. Me too, but trying to recover. It is easy to look at those dirty corporations that took our jobs overseas; more difficult to look in the mirror and understand our roles.
Oligarchs become oligarchs because they get rich delivering what people want. It started out with what I call the $5 Walmart (or any big box) shirt. A decent shirt cannot be produced, marketed, shipped across an ocean, unpacked, stocked and sold for $5 without exploitative labor practices. This should be obvious. But US citizens hustled as fast as they could to those big boxes to buy those $5 shirts. The oligarchs were there to assure us, via their pundits and think tanks that 1) Oh, we're lifting these people up; all boats are going to rise as a result (LIE: it has become a race to the bottom.) 2) We have good, safe labor standards for our subcontractors who produce our products (LIE: over and over again we find sweatshops and appalling conditions for mostly female workers) and 3) Look how cheaply we can provide goods! (That one, at least is true.)
When I noticed all the shoes coming from China, way back in the 70's, I tried to buy American. When I could *find* American-made shoes, which were only at the high-end stores, they were 5X the price of the cheap Chinese versions at the big box. I bought one pair for myself, but for my kids, who needed bigger sizes every six months, I gave in to temptation and bought them at Walmart. I became part of the problem. Now, there is almost NO choice about shoes. They come from China, even at the high end.
I'd rather the industries be here where we can monitor safety and work standards, getting taxes and building up communities.
Immigrants help grow our economy and improve the strength of our nation. Many serve in our military. They pay taxes and they generally work very hard and do jobs many citizens don't want. It is true that they are a concern in some industries (construction, meat packing, etc.) But nobody would come here and sign up for that work if corporations did not encourage it and government did not tolerate it. The immigrants themselves are not the problem. Corporatocracy is the problem. The oligarchs are the problem. Always have been in the USA.
I remember when free trade was always being discussed I think it was about the early 80s or so, I would use the analogy, we are in a dingy and we're going to catch a whale. I wish I was wrong. Yes please right wing gunmongers most of never worked a day in their life. By work I mean picking strawberries or beans and only making about 85 cents an hour in 100° weather. I did all those jobs graduated from high school but no criminal record and still couldn't get hired because I didn't have connections. The gun nuts that don't like to wear masks or get vaccinated they have not a clue what they will inherit with a robber baron as a dictator. They will be replaced and younger workers who work for half as much will get their jobs.
We need to bring a lot of manufacturing jobs back like textiles. Our homeless could do those kinds of jobs. Also of course we need to bring the pharmaceutical industry and the chip manufacturing industries back before we are dumped, which I think is in the cards. Overpopulation in reality and greed are our biggest problems. If humans could live in 350 ft apartments and road electric bicycles, and all the power plants ran on geothermal energy and the airplanes ran on biofuels, in my opinion there could be enough room on Earth for 10 billion people, but with global warming it looks like about 1 billion will be able to survive.