Where are the Democrats responding to ending white privilege and white supremacy? Certainly not at all with Obama. Then who? Then when? Are the Dems pushing for National rank voting? Because? Why are neoliberals in power? Why is the “center” so far right? Why is the concept of “slippery slope “ so death inflicting?
Where are the Democrats responding to ending white privilege and white supremacy? Certainly not at all with Obama. Then who? Then when? Are the Dems pushing for National rank voting? Because? Why are neoliberals in power? Why is the “center” so far right? Why is the concept of “slippery slope “ so death inflicting?
You can't respond to whte privilege without alienating most of white America, you can only change it, and piecemeal at that. The rise of the fascist right is attributable to the changes already made in our culture. Not all Democrats are progressives, and apparently 99% of Republicans are racist, misogynistic, religious nuts.
You have a lot of whys? if you were paying attention to Thom's article and TV program,you would know the answer. Money in poltics, we have the best government, many can buy.
W e need to reform the election process, but as long as one party is benefiting from the graft, in the name of free speech, One vote per dollar of contribution. Nothng will change.
This country can be analogized to a ship (Ship of State) launched in 1789 by a bunch of rich white men who perceived themselves to be the elite. (Truth is the New Englanders were smugglers and the Virginians were would be aristocrats, royalists, who wanted to be bowed and curtsied to and called "your grace"
The government that they established, via the constitution, was designed to keep the elite in power in perpetuity. The House of Reps was to be re elected every two years, and thus be populated by the rabble, where as the Executive was to be semi permanent, and the real power in Congress was the Senate which serves 6 years, and it was selected, not elected, unti May 13, 1912, and ratified on April 8, 1913, the 17th Amendment modified Article I, Section 3, of the Constitution by allowing voters to cast direct votes for U.S. senators. Prior to its passage, senators were chosen by state legislatures. And state legislatures were controlled by the voters, who in 1789 were rich and powerful white men, as women and slaves could not vote., nor could, at first, white men who did not own property.\ could not vote.
So the ship of state was launched, it was a corporate endeavor and the share holders were elite and rich white men, until after the civil war, the freed slaves and their descendants gained political power, yet until s February 26, 1869, and ratified February 3, 1870, the 15th Amendment granted African American men the right to vote, but still excluded women. Who didn't get the vote until the 19th Amendment. Based on that alone, guess who has more status and privilege in America. men or women. Answer: Men, Even in insurance and health care, insurance will pay for drugs for peyrones disease (also enlargment), but not women's health care.There are no laws regarding ,mens reproductive system, and insurance companies will pay claims related to such, but not women.
Every four years the passengers on the ship of state, vote for a new Captain, but the navigator who is employed by share holderes in America Inc, stays the same (Supreme Court), yet with the change in Captains the ship will change course a tad, to port or starboard, then a new election will bring a new Captain, that corrects the course from port to starboard or vice versa and the ship stays on course to it's destination., which gauging from the acceleration of events, is a 4th Reich of the Rich.
Change, if it happens, will start at the bottom up. One of the lost in history changes that the FDR administration started was the regionalization of America. Some bits of the infrastructure as still with us--TVA and WAPA in the electricity area. We also have a plethora of regional state compacts.
If we are going to change and have a durable democracy, we may want to revisit the regionalization efforts. Hopefully this time they will not be interrupted by a World War.
Sounds agreeable. I do believe in bottom up change, but alas it isn't working, maybe because the Democratic party has never fully been Democratic, I think that the attitude, values and corporate ethos of the pre LBJ Democratic Party linger on, even if the old Dixiecrats have died or retired (Died mostly), they left behind a legacy. Just like parents who raise their child in a religion, or party.
But, and this is important, FDR was a scion of a wealthy "ennobled" ruling class, and he made progressive changes from the Top Down, not the bottom up.
However the DNC has never paid attention to the bottom of the political ladder, where as the Republicans have, they have invested in taking over states from the bottom up, from Animal Control to State legislature.
And the DNC, nothing, they have sat on their asses and let the Republicans take control or have some power in at least 26 states, if not more.
Bottom up only works in the long haul, it is progressive and slow change. That opportunity is now over. Democracy is on it's last gasp. If the Republicans win the 3034 election, I hope you have a passport and the means to bribe a country to take you in Canada and New Zealand won't accept y ou, unless you have $250,000 in cash, and the means to bring jobs and employment into their country. For one thing they don't want foreigners like Americans, coming in and using their socialist health care system, thus placing a borden on their tax payers.
the answer: money in politics is not a why but a stake in the heart. why keep voting for fools compared to dumb fools? nothing is changing at the federal level. the federal level caused the systemic racism and will never change it. roll the dice and see if the military will provide the opportunity to rewrite the Law of the land, without a new start we are past, present, and future going to settle for one group of narcissists compared to another, we have not what we want. we will not get what we and the majority of the people want. the game is over as it is ever being played. as the child said: the king is naked.
All I can say is some fools are more dangerous than others. Take that racist, sexist, treasonous homobphobe, the orange emperor vs. the compromiser in chief.
A vote for anyone other than the compromiser is a vote for the tyrant.
There is a fundamental strategy question of whether the democratic party can be steered toward progressive values or whether a third party strategy is viable - Thom has been for some time on the side of taking over the democratic party and that constitutional changes are need for third parties to succeed, which I am not sure I completely agree with.
Perhaps before any of that is the issue of whether any president with progressive values could even function in the given political and media environment. It seems to me that any democrat or third party must build out some kind of independent media platform to have any chance at all at accomplishing a progressive agenda, and although not emphasized in media coverage, people surely need some better measure of holding corporations directly accountable through organized boycotts, ESG investing, etc.
Where are the Democrats responding to ending white privilege and white supremacy? Certainly not at all with Obama. Then who? Then when? Are the Dems pushing for National rank voting? Because? Why are neoliberals in power? Why is the “center” so far right? Why is the concept of “slippery slope “ so death inflicting?
You can't respond to whte privilege without alienating most of white America, you can only change it, and piecemeal at that. The rise of the fascist right is attributable to the changes already made in our culture. Not all Democrats are progressives, and apparently 99% of Republicans are racist, misogynistic, religious nuts.
You have a lot of whys? if you were paying attention to Thom's article and TV program,you would know the answer. Money in poltics, we have the best government, many can buy.
W e need to reform the election process, but as long as one party is benefiting from the graft, in the name of free speech, One vote per dollar of contribution. Nothng will change.
This country can be analogized to a ship (Ship of State) launched in 1789 by a bunch of rich white men who perceived themselves to be the elite. (Truth is the New Englanders were smugglers and the Virginians were would be aristocrats, royalists, who wanted to be bowed and curtsied to and called "your grace"
The government that they established, via the constitution, was designed to keep the elite in power in perpetuity. The House of Reps was to be re elected every two years, and thus be populated by the rabble, where as the Executive was to be semi permanent, and the real power in Congress was the Senate which serves 6 years, and it was selected, not elected, unti May 13, 1912, and ratified on April 8, 1913, the 17th Amendment modified Article I, Section 3, of the Constitution by allowing voters to cast direct votes for U.S. senators. Prior to its passage, senators were chosen by state legislatures. And state legislatures were controlled by the voters, who in 1789 were rich and powerful white men, as women and slaves could not vote., nor could, at first, white men who did not own property.\ could not vote.
So the ship of state was launched, it was a corporate endeavor and the share holders were elite and rich white men, until after the civil war, the freed slaves and their descendants gained political power, yet until s February 26, 1869, and ratified February 3, 1870, the 15th Amendment granted African American men the right to vote, but still excluded women. Who didn't get the vote until the 19th Amendment. Based on that alone, guess who has more status and privilege in America. men or women. Answer: Men, Even in insurance and health care, insurance will pay for drugs for peyrones disease (also enlargment), but not women's health care.There are no laws regarding ,mens reproductive system, and insurance companies will pay claims related to such, but not women.
Every four years the passengers on the ship of state, vote for a new Captain, but the navigator who is employed by share holderes in America Inc, stays the same (Supreme Court), yet with the change in Captains the ship will change course a tad, to port or starboard, then a new election will bring a new Captain, that corrects the course from port to starboard or vice versa and the ship stays on course to it's destination., which gauging from the acceleration of events, is a 4th Reich of the Rich.
Very insightful discussion!
Change, if it happens, will start at the bottom up. One of the lost in history changes that the FDR administration started was the regionalization of America. Some bits of the infrastructure as still with us--TVA and WAPA in the electricity area. We also have a plethora of regional state compacts.
If we are going to change and have a durable democracy, we may want to revisit the regionalization efforts. Hopefully this time they will not be interrupted by a World War.
Sounds agreeable. I do believe in bottom up change, but alas it isn't working, maybe because the Democratic party has never fully been Democratic, I think that the attitude, values and corporate ethos of the pre LBJ Democratic Party linger on, even if the old Dixiecrats have died or retired (Died mostly), they left behind a legacy. Just like parents who raise their child in a religion, or party.
But, and this is important, FDR was a scion of a wealthy "ennobled" ruling class, and he made progressive changes from the Top Down, not the bottom up.
However the DNC has never paid attention to the bottom of the political ladder, where as the Republicans have, they have invested in taking over states from the bottom up, from Animal Control to State legislature.
And the DNC, nothing, they have sat on their asses and let the Republicans take control or have some power in at least 26 states, if not more.
Bottom up only works in the long haul, it is progressive and slow change. That opportunity is now over. Democracy is on it's last gasp. If the Republicans win the 3034 election, I hope you have a passport and the means to bribe a country to take you in Canada and New Zealand won't accept y ou, unless you have $250,000 in cash, and the means to bring jobs and employment into their country. For one thing they don't want foreigners like Americans, coming in and using their socialist health care system, thus placing a borden on their tax payers.
the answer: money in politics is not a why but a stake in the heart. why keep voting for fools compared to dumb fools? nothing is changing at the federal level. the federal level caused the systemic racism and will never change it. roll the dice and see if the military will provide the opportunity to rewrite the Law of the land, without a new start we are past, present, and future going to settle for one group of narcissists compared to another, we have not what we want. we will not get what we and the majority of the people want. the game is over as it is ever being played. as the child said: the king is naked.
All I can say is some fools are more dangerous than others. Take that racist, sexist, treasonous homobphobe, the orange emperor vs. the compromiser in chief.
A vote for anyone other than the compromiser is a vote for the tyrant.
Which would you have?
There is a fundamental strategy question of whether the democratic party can be steered toward progressive values or whether a third party strategy is viable - Thom has been for some time on the side of taking over the democratic party and that constitutional changes are need for third parties to succeed, which I am not sure I completely agree with.
Perhaps before any of that is the issue of whether any president with progressive values could even function in the given political and media environment. It seems to me that any democrat or third party must build out some kind of independent media platform to have any chance at all at accomplishing a progressive agenda, and although not emphasized in media coverage, people surely need some better measure of holding corporations directly accountable through organized boycotts, ESG investing, etc.