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Such BS it's incredible. Several polls and studies have shown that aver 75% of those (in some studies up to 90%) who would vote for candidates like Dr Cornel West or Marianne Williamson would never cast a vote for a Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. That would include me. The problem you have Thom is that like all of corporate media you have perverted the function of government so that it becomes our job to support representatives who are not serving our collective interests. I am not voting for someone who promises no pipeline projects and then approves them left and right. Or someone who fistbumps MBS while promising to make him a pariah. Or who campaigns on criminal justice reform and subsequently adds 100,000 police to a brutalized and militarized police force. No Thom, I do not have to vote for the king of our mass incarceration who has singlehandedly done more damage to the black community than Republicans over the past 30 years. It is not my obligation to support judgment-addled liars like Biden because Democrats have been so ineffectual and politically expedient they helped to usher in the era of Trump. Dr West is a humanist and a truthteller, and hearing his message which is identical to that of Martin Luther King Jr's is the only possible way our country can be rescued from the unproductive tribal war you are waging against Republicans and vice-versa. That might help you sell dog food but it is not the antidote for decades of neoliberal spiritual and moral decay. And Biden is certainly too weak and middling to stand up against any Republican challenger in general and Trump in particular. Dr West could handle him, Biden can't.

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So, in other words, you are voting for Trump. This confirms my suspicion that you are Trump-Putin Troll.

Maybe Cornell West has his eyes on Trump;s vice president. The Mo Fo is going to peel votes away from Biden and thus elect Trump. You are intelligent, so you know that.

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Unfortunately tribalism leads to a religious way of thinking that is impenetrable. Over 75% of those who would vote for third party candidates would not place a vote for either establishment candidate. In a U of Michigan study it was over 80%. This does not take votes away from neoliberal or fascist candidates. Stop micromanaging votes and macromanage your candidate into doing the right thing.

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75%, you pulled that number out of thin air, I was going to say something else, but decorum prevails..

Push comes to shove, Whether we like it or not, a vote for a third party is indeed a vote for Trump. One can find polls and stats that support our claim, and they do, Quinnipiac is well known to be a Republican polling firm.

I don't disagree, rather I fully agree about tribalism, but you are ignoring that Thrid parties, like the Green party are themselves tribal., as are the Cornell West voters, the majority of whom are male ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves), much more reactionary, and short term thinking than female ADOS.

They are, afterall, males and their sympathies definitely lie with the white male fascists. It is all about an attitude towards women, and how a self organized, self validating women is a threat to an insecure and needy male. Oh they love their mommy, just like Italians and Arabs, but they think of women as inferior, not quite human, creatures, whose sole purpose in life it to breed mini me's, be a nanny to those mini me's, and a sexual and domestic servant.

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https://www.elon.edu/u/news/2023/07/05/gendle-publishes-op-ed-discussing-democratic-resistance-to-third-party-candidates/

I suppose the point is eventually someone has got to tell the truth or the downward spiral will continue. Biden has treated immigrants just as harshly (or moreso) than Trump. His climate policies are one step forwards and two steps back. We are closer to nuclear confrontation than at any time in our history. I'll stick with the guy who actually believes in the tenets of Martin Luther King Jr, not the racist who wants me to believe he does. You've got your guy, I've got mine. I would never tell you to vote for Dr West and don't you tell me to vote for Joe Biden. You can only give me one theoretical reason not to vote for Dr West--Trump--I can give you pages of real reasons not to vote for Biden.

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Stick with Cornell West then, and if enough join your siren call, then suffer the racist, religious, misogynistic, homophobic regime that follows "all hail Caesar" as he turns this nation into a graveyard for those that oppose him..he has already promised that.

Again you sound like a Putin-Trump troll.

As regards the Nuclear threat It is just a scare word, for the weak at knees.

1. If Putin even launches a nuke it is all over for him, He just committed suicide. MAD is still our nuclear doctrine.

2. Nukes take constant maintenance, replenishment, and the Soviet forces (yes, I use the term, because the KGB in the guise of the FSB still controls the populace, and uses the Russian Orthodox priests to keep dossiers on the people, are commanded by Generals and Admirals who have been directing the funds for maintenance to their own accounts, to build Dachas for mistresses and squirrel away funds in foreign real estate and banks.

If I was a tin pot dictator, like Trump or Jong Un, I would wave a nuclear phallus, full well knowing that I was dealing with cowards, who are so spineless that they con't see I am bluffing.

Maybe at the end of a war, they might launch a gottdamerung. Hiitler would have if he had an atom bomb. But that is at the end, when the hand of retribution reaches out and is fatal.

Otherwise Putin, Xi, Jon Ung, can take over the wolrd without firing a gun, simply by waving the nuclear phallus.

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If the function of Government is merely to get fraudulent Crypto into all of our private retirement plans, our Democratic Senators are doing great so please give them a break, especially our own Senator Gilli-corporateBrand. She could have done this legislation on a BI-Partisan basis, woo-hoo!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2022/07/08/lummis-gillibrand-crypto-bill-an-important-step-in-bringing-regulatory-clarity-to-bitcoin-stablecoins--digital-assets/?sh=cf6fd57647d0

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