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Suzie the opposite is true, the original state of humans and mammals was female, and we reproduced parthenogentically. I don't need science, to prove it look at nipples on the male, also look at YDNA, it really isn't a Y it is a truncated X, some segments were cut off the X chromosone, and instead of reproductive organs on the inside, the reproductive organs are on the outside,

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I know you understand this, but Aquinas did not and he was informed first and foremost by the Bible, and secondarily by Aristotle, who frequently voiced the misogyny of his day.

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Wish I could like! Count this.

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The whole of the ancient world was patriarchal and thus misogynist. The Priests of Sumer, Akkadia and Babylon, would seek out the prettiest virgins, dress them in white, garland and perfume them, then rape them in private, and then make a big to do of sacrificing them to the god or gods.

Queen Hatsheput of Egypt pulled of one, an became the only female phaRAoh, but still had do cross dress and have a beard affixed to her statues.

Aristotle the first botanist, but it stopped there.

Six things that Aristotle got wrong. No 1 is Women are monstrouos, and in keeping with Aristotle the cult of Rome has carried through, the church loved Aristotle. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/6-things-aristotle-got-wr_b_5920840

he also believe that the speed of an object was proportional to its weight and that heavy objects fell faster than light objects.

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I do not accept that "the whole of the ancient world" has always been patriarchal, though the history of the "civilized world" as written by the men does seem so. Even today, anthropologists have a way of erasing female accomplishment. For example, while it was most likely women who domesticated dogs, by throwing them kitchen scraps, all credit is given to men in the most recent documentary I saw - it was all about dogs hunting with men, something that likely only happened after women domesticated those dogs. There was no mention of women's role. It was only about men. Erasure.

Also, recently (within the past few months) DNA analysis shows that Mayans sacrificed male children as well as female, at about the same age often from the same families (at least two sets of twins were found). Call me cynical, but I suspect politics at work with who got chosen as a gift to the gods. Piss off the wrong priest or other elite and tell your kids goodbye.

We have some clues, however, that pre-written records, patriarchy was far less prevalent. I've of late been studying Japanese spirituality (by no means an expert, or even what one would consider knowledgeable - only a smattering; perhaps someone here knows more.) But I was intrigued by this one thing. There were both male and female gods in ancient Japan's Shintoism. The chief deity and origin God was Ameratsu, a female. When the patriarchal version of Buddhism was made the state religion, the female gods genders were changed and they were given male names, their histories mostly erased.

"In 552 A.D the introduction of Buddhism from China would interfere with the Shinto dominated perception of women. According to Dr. Lebra and Joy Paulson, тАЬThe aspects of Buddhism which define its character had begun to make inroads on societyтАЩs attitude towards women.тАЭ This particular form of Buddhism that assimilated in Japan was immensely anti-feminine. JapanтАЩs newfound Buddhism had fundamental convictions that women were of evil nature, which eventually led women into a submissive role of in Japanese society." ... "The anti-feminine tendencies of Buddhism redefined the role of women and continually progressed and regressed over a period of thirteen hundred years. There is an evident change of femininity and matriarchy at the dawn of Japanese civilization to the restricted and submissive women of the Tokugawa era that was тАЬdevoid of legal rights,тАЭ by the birth of modern Japan"

http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/286/women-in-ancient-japan-from-matriarchal-antiquity-to-acquiescent-confinement

Japan still keeps an oral Shinto tradition and some of the female gods are still revered.

In the Middle East, the advent of Yahweh - father of all three "great" religions - Judaism, Islam and Christianity was when it got really nasty. Yahweh was originally a Jewish war god. He was not the only god in the pantheon, but a special god for the Jewish people, later promoted to the all-seeing, omnipotent deity we have inherited today. Yahwism, in all its forms, is deeply tied to war.

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Ms. Coyote, I could not help but notice your comments about the domestication of dogs, being a dog lover myself. Many years ago when I studied Cultural Anthropology under Beth Dillingham, an associate of and co-author with one of the two founders of American Cultural Anthropology, Leslie White at Michigan, I read about the domestication of dogs. Anthropologists then thought dogs were domesticated in the way you mentioned. That is, they followed mobile bands of Hunter-gatherers and ate the food scraps those humans left behind.

Recent research indicates that this is not the best explanation. Instead biologists have found the allele which makes dogs qualitatively different from wolves. Even though dogs and wolves are both lupine creatures and can mate, producing hybrid offspring. They are not genetically the same creatures. In his recent, lovely book DOG IS LOVE author Clive Wynne actually reveals the number of the allele which is found in dogs, but not in wolves. Thus, dogs have appeared sometime in the ancient past as a result of a genetic mutation. A qualitative leap. Dogs are not domesticated wild lupine creatures. Dogs are their own thing. The obvious affection they display for humans is built into them biologically. Neither wild African dogs nor wolves can be made into lovers of humans as dogs are. It is simply not built into them.

Sorry if I am didactic. I could not resist. I love dogs.

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Nobody has mentioned Riane Eisler "The Chalice and the Blade." All too passe' ? I am pretty old.

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I read that long ago, and there was much to learn. But there were some factual errors in that book that were used to discredit the overall book. The best book on deep understanding of patriarchal repression and erasure of the female is "Gyn/Ecology," by Mary Daly. In fact, all her brilliant books are eye opening. She pulls (pulled, as she's passed) no punches. https://www.amazon.com/Gyn-Ecology-Metaethics-Radical-Feminism/dp/0807014133

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Thanks!

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