Interesting outlook, as a recovered alcoholic, (i quit in 1989, started at age 15 in 1954, I understand where you are coming from. I see red, when watching a show and see people who encounter some form of crisis reach for the bottle. WTF. However the peope of this continent (BE) fefore Europeans did not consume alcohol, they were not gen…
Interesting outlook, as a recovered alcoholic, (i quit in 1989, started at age 15 in 1954, I understand where you are coming from. I see red, when watching a show and see people who encounter some form of crisis reach for the bottle. WTF.
However the peope of this continent (BE) fefore Europeans did not consume alcohol, they were not genetically evolved to handle it, apparently neither were the Irish, there is a propensity for alcohoism in some ethnicities because they lack the gene.
EasternEurope and Russia are the worst, for the same reason as above.
The native inhabitants of this country, on the otherhand, were waging war on each other, including slaughter of innocents and torture, long before alcohol touched their lips, in fact Ginger you have fallen for a racist trope.
I visited, back in the early 70's the Indian museum at Lawton, OK, I saw the skull of a child, with a hole in it made by a stone axe.
My point is that they are people, just like whites, same with blacks,same with any peoples, it is not racist to say that people do bad shit to each other, use humans for sacrifice, enslave people, it is racist however to deny that any peoples are human and share the same qualities and characteristics as other peoples.
Uh, you don't think that Indigenous peoples were fermenting fruits, smoking 'peyote' 1,000's of years before whiskey was introduced by the white man? Think again. I am sober too (congratulations!!). I know Native Americans in recovery and they readily admit to millennia of alcoholism in their families (just like us). Good to discuss!
Of course, getting high is universal, pick yer pison. Your premise, however, is that alcohol introduced by whites is CAUSE of "most of the violence and warfare amongst NAms...." That's where you're running into pushback.
I thought you'd be interested in this reply to Ginger's reply to you. (I also replied to Ginger's earlier post)
Of course, getting high is universal, pick yer pison. Your premise, however, is that alcohol introduced by whites is CAUSE of "most of the violence and warfare amongst NAms...." That's where you're running into pushback.
Thanks, I saw your response earlier. I don't understand this need to excuse the NAm or blame the Europeans for NAm violence. Humans are violent and territorial, we were when the neanderthal and homo sapiens were running into each other. It is well known that other groups of NAm, like the Maya and Aztec were warring, sacrificing and eating each other, and the practice extended southward into Chile and Peru.
Interesting outlook, as a recovered alcoholic, (i quit in 1989, started at age 15 in 1954, I understand where you are coming from. I see red, when watching a show and see people who encounter some form of crisis reach for the bottle. WTF.
However the peope of this continent (BE) fefore Europeans did not consume alcohol, they were not genetically evolved to handle it, apparently neither were the Irish, there is a propensity for alcohoism in some ethnicities because they lack the gene.
EasternEurope and Russia are the worst, for the same reason as above.
Counties with a Celtic heritage like France, Belgium,Portugal are behind Russia and Eastern Europe and way ahead of Italy, which has been imbibing the fermented grape for millenia. and lag France by percentages. https://www.abbeycarefoundation.com/alcohol/alcoholism-by-country-statistics/
The native inhabitants of this country, on the otherhand, were waging war on each other, including slaughter of innocents and torture, long before alcohol touched their lips, in fact Ginger you have fallen for a racist trope.
I visited, back in the early 70's the Indian museum at Lawton, OK, I saw the skull of a child, with a hole in it made by a stone axe.
My point is that they are people, just like whites, same with blacks,same with any peoples, it is not racist to say that people do bad shit to each other, use humans for sacrifice, enslave people, it is racist however to deny that any peoples are human and share the same qualities and characteristics as other peoples.
Uh, you don't think that Indigenous peoples were fermenting fruits, smoking 'peyote' 1,000's of years before whiskey was introduced by the white man? Think again. I am sober too (congratulations!!). I know Native Americans in recovery and they readily admit to millennia of alcoholism in their families (just like us). Good to discuss!
Of course, getting high is universal, pick yer pison. Your premise, however, is that alcohol introduced by whites is CAUSE of "most of the violence and warfare amongst NAms...." That's where you're running into pushback.
I thought you'd be interested in this reply to Ginger's reply to you. (I also replied to Ginger's earlier post)
Of course, getting high is universal, pick yer pison. Your premise, however, is that alcohol introduced by whites is CAUSE of "most of the violence and warfare amongst NAms...." That's where you're running into pushback.
Thanks, I saw your response earlier. I don't understand this need to excuse the NAm or blame the Europeans for NAm violence. Humans are violent and territorial, we were when the neanderthal and homo sapiens were running into each other. It is well known that other groups of NAm, like the Maya and Aztec were warring, sacrificing and eating each other, and the practice extended southward into Chile and Peru.