For some reason, you seem to be emotionally invested in the idea that until white man's liquor the Native Americans were peace loving.. White man booze certainly brought its own problems and made a bad situation worse. The fact is that they were killing each other. Talking of the Klamath. You should know that I live in the Pacific NW, an…
For some reason, you seem to be emotionally invested in the idea that until white man's liquor the Native Americans were peace loving..
White man booze certainly brought its own problems and made a bad situation worse.
The fact is that they were killing each other. Talking of the Klamath. You should know that I live in the Pacific NW, and before the white man reached them, they were raiding each other, taking women with which to breed (genetic diversity) and, oh, killing each other.
Since you seem to be so interested in Native Americans, you would be interested in
The Red Record: The Wallam Olum: The Oldest Native North American History, by David McKutcheon. It seems that the oldest written record was that of the Leni Lenapi, besides recording the visit of John Cabot, they aso recorded their trek across America, including encountering and wiping out, what seems to be the Mound people of the Mississippi valley.
But I know how people and how the and how the mind works. When someone is emotionally invested in an idea, they will find all manners of rationalizations, excuses and distractions to justify and reinforce their beliefs. As I said on another post of Thom's, substack.
Beliefs are a powerful thing, part of, in fact the core of their identity.
And yes Europeans (white folk) committed wholesale genocide, and I know all about the Modocs and the extermination of California natives.
Did you know that California got it's name from a Queen (Califa) of what was then considered to be an island, as the central valley was once a lake,until an earthquake created a natural dam sealing off the lake from Baja California The early Spanish maps showed it as such.
It can be hard to follow the threads: You wanted this to go to Ginger, no? I was also pushing back against "the idea that until white man's liquor the Native Americans were peace loving.."
For some reason, you seem to be emotionally invested in the idea that until white man's liquor the Native Americans were peace loving..
White man booze certainly brought its own problems and made a bad situation worse.
The fact is that they were killing each other. Talking of the Klamath. You should know that I live in the Pacific NW, and before the white man reached them, they were raiding each other, taking women with which to breed (genetic diversity) and, oh, killing each other.
Since you seem to be so interested in Native Americans, you would be interested in
The Red Record: The Wallam Olum: The Oldest Native North American History, by David McKutcheon. It seems that the oldest written record was that of the Leni Lenapi, besides recording the visit of John Cabot, they aso recorded their trek across America, including encountering and wiping out, what seems to be the Mound people of the Mississippi valley.
But I know how people and how the and how the mind works. When someone is emotionally invested in an idea, they will find all manners of rationalizations, excuses and distractions to justify and reinforce their beliefs. As I said on another post of Thom's, substack.
Beliefs are a powerful thing, part of, in fact the core of their identity.
And yes Europeans (white folk) committed wholesale genocide, and I know all about the Modocs and the extermination of California natives.
Did you know that California got it's name from a Queen (Califa) of what was then considered to be an island, as the central valley was once a lake,until an earthquake created a natural dam sealing off the lake from Baja California The early Spanish maps showed it as such.
It can be hard to follow the threads: You wanted this to go to Ginger, no? I was also pushing back against "the idea that until white man's liquor the Native Americans were peace loving.."