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JennyStokes's avatar

I have NO idea why the Dems. are not going after Jared and Ivanka?

Time to stop messing around and get the facts out.

The mainstream press have done NOTHING to my knowledge. Why?

William Farrar's avatar

Ivanka and Jr are guilty of crimes worse than Hunters, and Garland has never investigated them..hmmm.

Like the hundreds of copyrights given to Ivanka by China, and still Trump accuses Gen Milley of treason. Then there is that 2 billion gift from MBS

JennyStokes's avatar

Yes.

BUT why are the Dems. not doing anything?

William Farrar's avatar

The three C's.

Cowardice,corruption or compromised (sometimes two or more)

Also Dems are stuck in the past and Congress tradition of collegiality, compromise and bipartisanship. they never really existed, it was all kabuki theater but since Bush it has been put on steroids and since Trump, it's no holds barred,out of the closest, but it appears the chattering class, and Democrat politicians are also conservative. But Schiff and that former Congessman of NY, the guy responsible for the loss of 4 NY seats, were off junketeering in Paris, during the election.

Face it people, except the Progressive caucus, and not all of them, are in it for self promoton, ego trips and bragging rights, not to mention the benefits, especially those of corporations and foreign governments. Not to mention the lucrative lobbying jobs. and like Feinstein and McConnell staying in office to protect their investments and wealth.

JennyStokes's avatar

I agree with everything you say BUT:

Feinstein/McConnell are rich enough to be able to afford Private Healthcare.

Jo's avatar

Biden has done quite a lot to help Americans.

Thomas Garrett's avatar

Trump had the Senate for 4 years and the House for 2 years. Give that to Biden and see if he can with it.

JennyStokes's avatar

DO you speak English?

I find it hard to comprehend this comment.

Is it that you think Biden is any different?

F. Reynolds's avatar

Dems do not want to offend anyone?

Thomas Garrett's avatar

If they can arrest Trump, they can arrest any billionaires.

William Farrar's avatar

But it takes guts, and who will arrest them or even investigate them? Not Garland, He has not indicted Gaetz, a documented sexual predator and violator of Federal Laws, yet Garland lets him roam free to hazard our nation, our democracy and national security.

By the way I am upset with congressional Democrats for buckling to the MAGGOTS and not funding the defense of Ukraine. Democrats are too people pleasing to stand up and fight like Republicans

Thomas Garrett's avatar

Some people get penalize for doing the right thing. Some people don't want to make waves. And criminals walk free amongst us.

Jo's avatar

Because they are bought and paid for by republicans.

JennyStokes's avatar

Nothing to do with Reps. The Dems. are doing nothing!

Jo's avatar

You really have not been paying attention,have you?

Thomas Garrett's avatar

GOPIGS have the majority in the house.

Bruce Culver's avatar

This is PRECISELY why I am not a card-carrying Democrat, but an AOC-leaning Independent..... The current feckless and ineffective Democratic senior leadership seems to be more afraid of being seen as "not nice" than they are in defeating the enemies of our democracy. That won't cut it for me.....

William Farrar's avatar

Same here, but I register Democrat to vote in Primaries. Otherwise I hold the party in complete disdain. I said, when Reagan was in office, that the two parties are two sides of the same coin, Humpty v Dumpty. And I will do anything to defeat a greedy, narcissistic, self centered, racist religious extremist and the Republican party is full of them

Jo's avatar

Unfortunately voting third party is a lost vote and you will only hand that vote to a republican. The Democratic Party is the only chance we have to move the party in the correct direction.

Bruce Culver's avatar

Rest assured Smokin' Joe Biden will get my vote..... I just won't officially join the party until the leadership wakes up. It has been bad enough to generate a library of memes.....

AlphaMare's avatar

Lev Parnas admitted on Mea Culpa podcast months ago this illegally obtained info was a Russian pysop meant and designed to harm the Biden family. I’ve never witnessed such cowardice to refuse to fight for our First Family after the utter garbage that previously occupied the White House. This utter disrespect for our President is unspeakable.

Bob Johnson's avatar

The GOP want to steal the national Treasury. Instead of serving the people they want the people to serve them. The trump-humpers aren't smart enough to figure that out. Anything to harm the liberals who they blame which is propaganda from the right wing autocrats news media, for all the problems. The GOP is now a terrorist organization, like the mega Rich have been for thousands of years, building a society on unlimited greed is s like building castles at low tide in the sand.

William Farrar's avatar

And the corporate media for enabling and supporting the national terrorists. in the name of profits (readers and clicks, produce ads, ads are a main form of revenue.

Bob Johnson's avatar

Unlimited greed, not grade be as rrgh!

William Farrar's avatar

You can edit your comments, alas lots will see the error before you edit.

Carla Childress's avatar

I am a lifelong Democrat who has become increasingly frustrated and disgusted by the party mechanics. We did not land in this precarious state solely by the machinations of Republicans. The Democrats have been complicit, resulting in a loss of cohesion, not listening to their constituents and the birth of “bothsidesism”. To the point where, our Presidential race can be summed up as authoritarian or I’m not that guy. This is disgusting. The finest campaign promises will never be implemented. So don’t tell me they don’t know. They do. They benefit from not implementing them. Voting rights, taxing corporations, funding the IRS, benefits for citizens in need, regulating pollution, clean air and water standards, ... quality education and healthcare for all citizens.

JennyStokes's avatar

Yes and BOTH Party's run by big corporations!

Jo's avatar

These have been implementing by Democrats. Republicans block and tear these bills to shreds. Even tho the infrastructure bill was passed republicans had to shed it to bare minimum before they would have a vote. Remember it’s both parties that have to pass legislation unless you have a majority, which we don’t have at the moment.

William Farrar's avatar

Don't forget that Demopub, from West Virginia.

Jo's avatar

Right, Manchin. DINO

Jon Notabot's avatar

Punch. Back. Hard. NOW.

If the Democratic party has any intention of leading this nation in any meaningful way, going on the offensive (with legitimate purpose) is an imperative, and it must be prompt. No wiggle room here from my point of view. The stakes are well beyond "too high" - Cain has been killing Able for 7,000 years - and this very well could be the 10th round of a 10 round bout. As a person who votes within the Democratic party, I am tired of playing defense - of trying to simply keep the dam from blowing. We need to get off our heels and make actual headway in society, not be hamstrung by the need to put out a 1,000 fires every day just to stay afloat. And we're not even staying afloat - we're falling further and further into the GOP inferno of greed, cruelty, and lies.

I can't answer why we, as Democrats, have lacked in aggressiveness. I can only submit my own observations for why people (including myself) fail to act. These are extremely general umbrellas, but I feel most other reasons are subcategories of the following:

1) Inconvenience

2) Coercion of some nature (incentivized to act -or- threatened into not acting)

3) Ignorance

I'd surmise that inconvenience and ignorance are the most common, and therefore, the most likely culprit of inaction. Unfortunately we have neither the luxury of ambivalence nor the warm swaddle of oblivion. The commercial break is over, the match is back on, and we're in the final 30 seconds...

Jon Notabot's avatar

Well no one likes responding to their own post, but here we have it...

I believe, judging by the volume of crickets in response to the 3 reasons I put forth (for why people don't act when they definitely should) in the above post, we have our answer for the # 1 cause of inaction: It is inconvenient, AND uncomfortable.

Reflecting upon our collective shoulder shrugging in past situations of dire consequence (Bush Jr's gift of the presidency from the Supreme Court, illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not taking a solid stand on upholding mask mandates during the Covid pandemic, on and on...), I can only conclude from my tiny and unimportant window that doing a thing, standing up, or (oh no!) - changing routine - are just too much to ask. It is, simply, inconvenient.

"Give me convenience, or give me death".

Embarrassing.

William Farrar's avatar

I might have disagreed with or corrected you on another thread, but man I am with you 100% on this post and others of yours on this thread.

Sunny Bradshaw's avatar

Me too. Some of the best posts I've read... filled with facts & thoughtful insight... are right here! That includes yours, W. Farrar! Yours are always smart & on point. Any topic. And learned things I did not know tonite, like about why blacks use that n-word that I take such offense to! (Long wondered about that 1)

gerald f dobbertin's avatar

I was a county chair in the democratic party in my past life. It was difficult to shake off the feeling that there is no such thing as "The Democratic Party." the Demos share, possibly only one thing in common: they prioritize the common citizen more than the Repubs. Which ain't sayin much. And even here we must recognize the obvious fakers: Manchin and Sinema, who is now an independent, read her as Republican. Manchin is a "Sleeper" for the Republican Party just as Bill Clinton was.

Clinton was the best Republican President we have had since Grover Cleveland. Both were Democrats in name only. The republicans ARE a Party. they ARE unified by their love of "The Morbidly Rich," Thank you for the label Mr. Hartman.

Do not be overly impressed by the commentators who talk about the "split" in the Republican Party. The Elephants are not as divided as you think.

By comparison, it is not a surprise to me that old Joe appointed Garland, only a disappointment. It is not surprising that the Donkeys are perhaps Jackasses who fail to exploit opportunities when they occur.

William Farrar's avatar

Bill Clinton betrayed and destroyed his base and the Democratic party, because he was actually not financially solvent, and the Plutocrats funded him after retirement through a non profit, which he headed called the Clinton Global Initiative, one of his programs brought havoc to Haiti, because he convinced some industries to set up shop in Haiti, because of their unemployment and eagerness to work, so they paid them slave wages, which only made the situation worse.

It was Newt Gringrich, constantly attacking him, that drove the people to the poles, in a reaction, and it was James Carville, who kept saying "It is the economy stupid". Frankly people were so turned off by Gingrich and the Republicans that they voted for Clinton despite the stains on Monica's dress. That was a problem between Bill and Hillary, Hillary turned a blind eye because she had presidential ambitions,and the DNC put their thumb on the scale for a tried and true, loyal race horse, that gained the credentials that the CFR and Plutocrats thought were necessary, foreign service credentials.

I am positive that she would be every bit of the corporatist neo liberal as Bill, and like Bill sell her base down the river especially racial minorities, the very ones that had her win the primary. those myopic "wise women" of South Carolina

gerald f dobbertin's avatar

Mr. Farrar,I did not know he was insolvent. I knew about Haiti. I had close friends who lived there and I have read about that place. I agree with all you said.

F. Reynolds's avatar

Gerald, that is a rather harsh criticism of Clinton, but I see where you are coming from. I wish we could return to the budget surpluses of those years without MAGA.

Jo's avatar

For one Clinton signed NAFTA into law and that sent many jobs over seas. That bill was executed by Reagan and doubt Clinton. He was somewhat a NEOLIBERAL.

William Farrar's avatar

Reagan was president long before Clinton signed NAFTA and the new NAFTA like GAAT.

Jo's avatar

No, The Reagan admin wrote the bill then Clinton signed it into law when he was elected.

F. Reynolds's avatar

NAFTA was/is a great treaty.

Jo's avatar

How? It pushed industry out of the US where corporations could now exploit labor across the world and screw American labor out of decent wages.

William Farrar's avatar

The criticism of Clinton is well earned and accurate. He is and always have been a self centered man, with no principles or moral center.

Jo's avatar

I agree with you about Manchin but at least he is still voting with democrats on most things and is giving us a majority in The senate. I can’t stand the guy but I doubt WV would vote for a democrat who didn’t support coal.

William Farrar's avatar

What is it with these imbeciles and their dick pics. Do they honestly think women swoon over their dicks. It is all narcissism and the desire to have self sex, as far as I can see. And it is pure stupidity to upload anything to "the cloud", just as social media is stupid, if one cares about their employability, reputation and the future Tick Tock challenges are examples of pure stupidity, what rational person honestly cares what forever strangers may think.

But that is the way we are raised. To devalue ourselves and to overvalue the opinions of others, which is ridiculous because, despite movies and books, there are no real mind readers.

There is no way we can know what someone else thinks, so the only thing we can do is project. Thus a person who takes selfies, especially of their genitals, are deep into self love. I will give an exception or two, for a selfie that show a person next to landmark, or the likes of a water fall.

Bob Johnson's avatar

The pictures are to compensate for their small brains.

JennyStokes's avatar

Obviously you have never taken drugs or become an Alcoholic.

William Farrar's avatar

If you are talking to me. I never have taken drugs,and not even prescription drugs, I fear PhRMA and pay attention to all of the dangers they mention, so fastly, in their lying ads.

How ever I started drinking at age 15, it built over time till I really screwed up my life at age 50, then I sobered up and everything changed, including my political world view.

Sobering up I went from a right winger to a progressive. It is amazing how the world looks when you aren't numbed by addictions.

JennyStokes's avatar

I think I was replying to you.

On drugs people do the most ridiculous things including alcohol. I've had a few bad times too but not for any length of time.

I was talking about Hunter.

William Farrar's avatar

Thanks I understand. At least you had more strength than me. It took me a third DUI, and time in jail, plus it cost me thousands of dollars for me to give up my addiction, yet I still had an addiction to tobacco, that started at age 12, finally quit at age 69, one year too late. genetically if I had quit one year earlier I would not have had lung cancer. Never ever did drugs, not even in Vietnam, even today I don't do prescription drugs, except metformin, for diabetes, I have the immune system of someone in their 20's, same with blood pressure.

As for Hunter legacy kids are a major problem in this country. Entitled assholes, who never had to earn a living on their own talents, they live on and succeed because of their rich and famous parents. True of Hollywood, Industry, and media. Famous examples are Bush, Daddy Bush was the son of Prescott Bush of Harriman Brown an investment banker, that bankrolled Hitler, at least at the start, Dubya got commissioned straight out of Basic training, never went to Officers Training school, there is so many examples in Hollywood that it would take a long paragraph, then there Trumps evil kids, and Hunter, who knows what else, and Chelsea Clinton is being groomed and making political noises. FDR's sons were

These kids do not have the skills and talents to make it on their own, at least not to live in the style to which they have become accustomed. Like the Kochs and Trump. How many heirs have become the chairman of the Board of a corporation, like Lachlan Murdoch. Too many to count.

Poor spoiled entitled legacy brats, Hunter included.

SCOTUS says college admission based on race is unconstitutional, because it isn't in the constitution but they and the media are silent as lambs,when it comes to legacy brats.,

F. Reynolds's avatar

Thanks to Thom and Marcy, I now have a more clear explanation of Hunter's laptop scam. Could Hunter have been that gullible and the Russians that organized and technically competent to get away with this capper? Boggles my mind. I originally had a hope that Ukraine had a chance but looking at the Russian economy and their plans for the future, I have sobered up. Russia is stronger than I thought and they don't give a damn about how many humans are lost in their attempt at great Russia. Putin, it is said to have survived four assassination attempts so far and he appears to be healthy. MAGA wants to stop Ukraine aid as well. I just don't know if Ukraine can do it now.

William Farrar's avatar

Russia hacked Hunter's cloud, transferred the data to a computer, which some agent dropped off at a blind man's "computer repair shop". Only a fool uploads data to the cloud. Google tells me every so often that I have an empty drop box,but it will remain forever empty. Momma didn't raise a fool.

Jo's avatar

Same here. I’ve always figured that the cloud could be compromised.

MHHARRIS's avatar

The phone number provided to call and complain disconnects immediately when the call goes through.

Sunny Bradshaw's avatar

Oh really!?! Figures. So many things are just for show... no substance!

alis's avatar

I watch the hearings on C-Span quite a bit. The Democrats certainly have not been silent about the Trumps and their corruption.  When a committee member mentions the Bidens, the Democratic members bring-up the Trumps.

The whole strategy of the Republicans and Trump is to declare victory and then ignore the facts. They declared victory about Russian influence, and the nuances of Robert Mueller's report helped them convince their base that there was NO influence. These are people who don't do nuance. We know what Putin did and is still doing---they do not want to know.

But here's the problem, Hunter WAS hanging out with Russians, and that along with the sex, drugs, and selling your name does not play well with anyone. Seems both candidates have kids like that. The difference is Biden tried to help his son get away, but Trump was the one that set his children on the path to Putin.

What a damn mess!

William Farrar's avatar

I cannot disagree,in fact I agree, the onus is on the Democrats, because the only place you see the Democrats stand up is on CSPAN, even on MSBNC, I watch them wiggle, distract and obfuscate to change the subject when asked raw questions. Party loyalty above all, even loyalty to country.

But worst of all it is the corporate media, which tones down the criticism of the Right Wing, while harping on pecadillos of some Democrats that say nothing about eh same when it comes to Republicans. For instance they are all over Hunter Biden, even on "liberal MSNBC,WAPO and NYT, but nary a word about Ivanka and Jr, especially their cozy and financially rewarding relationship with China the Kingdom and the Gulf States,not to mention Russia via Daddy.

Want to put your finger on the problem? The corporate media, any media that is financed via advertising is under the thumb of the advertising monopoly who monitors their performance and direct ads to those that have the most viewers, and those who have the most viewers are those with news readers and hosts, who hype the culture war and defend corporations and the Plutocrats.

Jo's avatar

Thom Hartman on Free speech media is doing a brilliant job.

Sunny Bradshaw's avatar

An excellent, brilliant job. Jeez... if only the smarter, informed minds here could run the Country for a bit, we'd be better off!

Thomas Garrett's avatar

RASKIN made a motion to supeana Rudy and Les. Panel voted 20 19 to table. Gopigs got the majority. 80 million eligible voters did not vote in 2020.

Jo's avatar

That’s obscene

Thomas Garrett's avatar

Billionaires for jingoism and citizens united. Billionaires love SCOTUS and Trump.