Apologies for being TL:DR but in self defense an explanation is needed for what might appear to be controversial statements.
The rise of the right in Europe isn’t limited to Hungary, there is France, Germany, Poland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway and the one thing that they all have in common is immigra…
Apologies for being TL:DR but in self defense an explanation is needed for what might appear to be controversial statements.
The rise of the right in Europe isn’t limited to Hungary, there is France, Germany, Poland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway and the one thing that they all have in common is immigration from Africa, the Mideast, and Afghanistan. Some of it is asylum seekers, but most are job seekers, their home nations are unable to provide employment or feed its people, and Europe is the goose that lays the golden egg.
We have much the same situation in America, mixed in with the job seekers are asylum seekers fleeing from threats of murder and forced membership in gangs (political and non political).
There has been a steady stream of job seekers from Afghanistan to Europe, during the occupation, they weren’t fleeing oppression but looking for work.
The situation in America is different than Europe, for one thing the immigrants trying to enter the country without vetting and documentation, belong to the same culture (Christian conservative) and in that it is strange that the fascist right would be opposed to them, because even though they flee oppression and death, or starvation, they bring with them their conservative Christian values of misogyny and homophobia.
The case is more dire and different in Europe. The immigrants (job and asylum seekers) bring with them a culture that is alien to a Europe that has been Christianized. Their culture is not only misogynistic and homophobic, but is as if not more exceptionalistic than Christianity.
Being a Christian, or worse an atheist or Hindu, in a Muslim land is hazardous to your health and well being. The Qur’an andhadiths (both of whichI have read and studied), provide protection to peoples of the book (Christians, Jews and in Iran Zoroastrians) but only if they accept a status of dhimmi (second class). Atheists and polytheists (like Hindus) have to either convert or suffer death or leave,
Those who leave Islam are considered murtad, irtidad and have their lives forfeit.
In the modern era, Islamic nations , have toned it down somewhat, with the exception of Libya, which
Has beheaded Coptic Christians (famous video of the event on the surf). Saudi Arabia does not permit
Infidels to befoul sacred Muslim land , but they need foreign experts so they set aside walled compounds, declare them neutral or non Islamic land.
Iran and Iraq did permit Christians and Jews to live among them, until the late 20th Century.
But woe be the atheist or Hindu.
Salafism, or what SCOTUS calls “Originalism” is making a rebound, and things are shifting rightward in Muslim nations.Saudi Arabia and Iran are examples.
Freedom of religion, despite being guaranteed in the constitution, faces many restrictions in Malaysia. Based on the Malaysian constitution, a Malay in Malaysia must be a Muslim, and Malays cannot convert to another religion.
In 2022, Freedom House rated Pakistan's religious freedom as 1 out of 4, noting that the blasphemy laws are often exploited by religious vigilantes and also curtail the freedom of expression by Christians and Muslims, especially Ahmadis.
Religious discrimination in Pakistan is a serious issue for the human rights situation in modern-day Pakistan. Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Shias, and Ahmadis among other religious minorities often face discrimination and at times are even subjected to violence. In some cases Christian churches and the worshippers themselves have been attacked
I mention this because there is a tipping point in a society where a cohesive culture, becomes strong enough
To force change and that point is about 17%,and drip by drip, the culture is changed.
Charles Martel stopped the Islamization of France and Western Europe at Potieres,. Polish Hussars stopped the Islamization of Central Europe and the entirety of Europe at the gates of Vienna, when they attacked and repelled the Ottoman Turks.
That which was done by force, is being undone gradually with the flow of job and asylum seeking immigrants and the Europeans are alarmed and afraid of what will happen to their culture. And the fears are not unfounded.
Not only do they have to contend with the immigrants but NGO’s like Amnesty International and other human rights organizations are an impediment.
As a progressive I want to see a humane solution to the problem, everyone should have decent nutrition, and shelter and an education, but many an Islamic nation, or would be like Boko Haram (means Books are forbidden) don’t. Nor the Taliban and other salafist movements and nations.
However I understand the angst and fear of having your nation and culture overwhelmed by what is essentially an alien and hostile culture.
Leftist, including a lot of progressives can’t seem to grasp that. Eager to chastise Christianity for it’s extremism, homophobia and misogyny, they give a pass to Islam, for the same and worse. Dominionists aren’t throwin gays and trans off roofs yet, but Iran forces gay mento undergo sexual reassignment surgery.
Yes there are peaceful and delightful Muslims in America and Europe, but they have the luxury of living in a democratic society, should the table be flipped, they would no longer have that luxury and that is what the Europeans fear and that is why the fascists are making inroads and taking over, or on the verge of taking over these nations. (Ex: Marine le Pen)
Now for the rub, who is responsible for this desperate immigration? American and International corporations and the countries that they control. Exploitation
Of countries for profit, the use of their host countries military forces, free of charge, to force and maintain their control of the countries that they exploit.Lead to the misery, death and migration of the people that they exploit.
One need look no further than “Great” Britain in colonial America, the Indian subcontinent, Africa, Belgium, France and Germany in Africa, Britain and America in the Mideast and America in central and south America.
United Fruit, the Bush family, cocaine and the CIA (Iran conrra) Exxon Mobil (Venezuela)are the malefactors. The explotive ruling class that created the misery of Cuba and Venezuela are welcomed with open arms in America, when they flee the country. Let’s not forget Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys comparative advantage as responsible for the death of Salvatore Allende and the fascist dictatorship of Chile. Haliburton and the World Bank and IMF for the troubles of Bolivia and Argentina. International corporations and financial institutions exploit these countries, foster and fund right wing coups (like Honduras when Obama was president) and then blame “leftists
I lived in Amsterdam for 10 years so I can relate to what you are saying about the concerns of the Europeans. It's a difficult situation, who can blame someone for trying to find a better life because life elsewhere is unbearable.
Exactly, and my point is that the situation is caused by international corporations and the states that they control or strongly influence.
Basically Europe and America are the cause of third world destitution. The destitution is caused by corporations, international ones at that, that exploit these countries for their natural resources. like Angola, Nigeria and Libya and who benefits the shareholders of Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP and who pays for the protection of the oil protection, both the armed forces and the navy that transports the oil.. The taxpayers, and who funds the political parties. the same, plus private equity funds, venture capitalists like Peter Thiel, (Thiel denounced his support for the Republicans, but has reconsidered and is back at it.
These multinational corporations and international financial institutions are the major cause of the worlds unrest and misery.
And they maintain their grip on power via funding and promoting culture wars and unrest.
I expect to take flak for this comment,
Apologies for being TL:DR but in self defense an explanation is needed for what might appear to be controversial statements.
The rise of the right in Europe isn’t limited to Hungary, there is France, Germany, Poland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway and the one thing that they all have in common is immigration from Africa, the Mideast, and Afghanistan. Some of it is asylum seekers, but most are job seekers, their home nations are unable to provide employment or feed its people, and Europe is the goose that lays the golden egg.
We have much the same situation in America, mixed in with the job seekers are asylum seekers fleeing from threats of murder and forced membership in gangs (political and non political).
There has been a steady stream of job seekers from Afghanistan to Europe, during the occupation, they weren’t fleeing oppression but looking for work.
The situation in America is different than Europe, for one thing the immigrants trying to enter the country without vetting and documentation, belong to the same culture (Christian conservative) and in that it is strange that the fascist right would be opposed to them, because even though they flee oppression and death, or starvation, they bring with them their conservative Christian values of misogyny and homophobia.
The case is more dire and different in Europe. The immigrants (job and asylum seekers) bring with them a culture that is alien to a Europe that has been Christianized. Their culture is not only misogynistic and homophobic, but is as if not more exceptionalistic than Christianity.
Being a Christian, or worse an atheist or Hindu, in a Muslim land is hazardous to your health and well being. The Qur’an andhadiths (both of whichI have read and studied), provide protection to peoples of the book (Christians, Jews and in Iran Zoroastrians) but only if they accept a status of dhimmi (second class). Atheists and polytheists (like Hindus) have to either convert or suffer death or leave,
Those who leave Islam are considered murtad, irtidad and have their lives forfeit.
In the modern era, Islamic nations , have toned it down somewhat, with the exception of Libya, which
Has beheaded Coptic Christians (famous video of the event on the surf). Saudi Arabia does not permit
Infidels to befoul sacred Muslim land , but they need foreign experts so they set aside walled compounds, declare them neutral or non Islamic land.
Iran and Iraq did permit Christians and Jews to live among them, until the late 20th Century.
But woe be the atheist or Hindu.
Salafism, or what SCOTUS calls “Originalism” is making a rebound, and things are shifting rightward in Muslim nations.Saudi Arabia and Iran are examples.
Freedom of religion, despite being guaranteed in the constitution, faces many restrictions in Malaysia. Based on the Malaysian constitution, a Malay in Malaysia must be a Muslim, and Malays cannot convert to another religion.
In 2022, Freedom House rated Pakistan's religious freedom as 1 out of 4, noting that the blasphemy laws are often exploited by religious vigilantes and also curtail the freedom of expression by Christians and Muslims, especially Ahmadis.
Religious discrimination in Pakistan is a serious issue for the human rights situation in modern-day Pakistan. Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Shias, and Ahmadis among other religious minorities often face discrimination and at times are even subjected to violence. In some cases Christian churches and the worshippers themselves have been attacked
One of the significant issues being faced by minority communities is the abuse of the blasphemy law.[3] People belonging to minority religions are often falsely accused of using derogatory remarks against the Islamic prophet Muhammad, resulting in fines, lengthy prison sentences, and sometimes the death penalty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_discrimination_in_Pakistan#:~:text=to%20the%20minorities.-,Freedom%20of%20religion%20in%20Pakistan,Christians%20and%20Muslims%2C%20especially%20Ahmadis.
I mention this because there is a tipping point in a society where a cohesive culture, becomes strong enough
To force change and that point is about 17%,and drip by drip, the culture is changed.
Charles Martel stopped the Islamization of France and Western Europe at Potieres,. Polish Hussars stopped the Islamization of Central Europe and the entirety of Europe at the gates of Vienna, when they attacked and repelled the Ottoman Turks.
That which was done by force, is being undone gradually with the flow of job and asylum seeking immigrants and the Europeans are alarmed and afraid of what will happen to their culture. And the fears are not unfounded.
Not only do they have to contend with the immigrants but NGO’s like Amnesty International and other human rights organizations are an impediment.
As a progressive I want to see a humane solution to the problem, everyone should have decent nutrition, and shelter and an education, but many an Islamic nation, or would be like Boko Haram (means Books are forbidden) don’t. Nor the Taliban and other salafist movements and nations.
However I understand the angst and fear of having your nation and culture overwhelmed by what is essentially an alien and hostile culture.
Leftist, including a lot of progressives can’t seem to grasp that. Eager to chastise Christianity for it’s extremism, homophobia and misogyny, they give a pass to Islam, for the same and worse. Dominionists aren’t throwin gays and trans off roofs yet, but Iran forces gay mento undergo sexual reassignment surgery.
Yes there are peaceful and delightful Muslims in America and Europe, but they have the luxury of living in a democratic society, should the table be flipped, they would no longer have that luxury and that is what the Europeans fear and that is why the fascists are making inroads and taking over, or on the verge of taking over these nations. (Ex: Marine le Pen)
Now for the rub, who is responsible for this desperate immigration? American and International corporations and the countries that they control. Exploitation
Of countries for profit, the use of their host countries military forces, free of charge, to force and maintain their control of the countries that they exploit.Lead to the misery, death and migration of the people that they exploit.
One need look no further than “Great” Britain in colonial America, the Indian subcontinent, Africa, Belgium, France and Germany in Africa, Britain and America in the Mideast and America in central and south America.
United Fruit, the Bush family, cocaine and the CIA (Iran conrra) Exxon Mobil (Venezuela)are the malefactors. The explotive ruling class that created the misery of Cuba and Venezuela are welcomed with open arms in America, when they flee the country. Let’s not forget Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys comparative advantage as responsible for the death of Salvatore Allende and the fascist dictatorship of Chile. Haliburton and the World Bank and IMF for the troubles of Bolivia and Argentina. International corporations and financial institutions exploit these countries, foster and fund right wing coups (like Honduras when Obama was president) and then blame “leftists
And unions for the troubles.
I lived in Amsterdam for 10 years so I can relate to what you are saying about the concerns of the Europeans. It's a difficult situation, who can blame someone for trying to find a better life because life elsewhere is unbearable.
Exactly, and my point is that the situation is caused by international corporations and the states that they control or strongly influence.
Basically Europe and America are the cause of third world destitution. The destitution is caused by corporations, international ones at that, that exploit these countries for their natural resources. like Angola, Nigeria and Libya and who benefits the shareholders of Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP and who pays for the protection of the oil protection, both the armed forces and the navy that transports the oil.. The taxpayers, and who funds the political parties. the same, plus private equity funds, venture capitalists like Peter Thiel, (Thiel denounced his support for the Republicans, but has reconsidered and is back at it.
These multinational corporations and international financial institutions are the major cause of the worlds unrest and misery.
And they maintain their grip on power via funding and promoting culture wars and unrest.
Agree.