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William Farrar's avatar

Yeh Tim, save the babies and kill the mothers. One think I know, as a genetic genealogist is that personality and character traits are inherited, and the products of a rape all too often grow up to be sociopaths and psycho paths. A particularly famous case comes to mind: Ted Bundy.

A waitress who was violently raped gave up her child, to a loving Christian family, who at age 8 snuck out his bedroom window and strangled a female playmate.

My personal opinion is that you could care less about babies, born or unborn, your real concern is preservation of the masculine prerogative, patriarchal domination.

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

I will repeat what I said, since you apparently missed it: In the VERY RARE cases where the ONLY choice is between the life of the mother and the life of her baby, the mother's life takes precedent -- THAT is her choice! James Robison, a product of rape, is one of the best Preachers and Ministers I have ever heard. Only God knows the causes of individual behavior. I take it that you went to a school that taught "mind-reading" along with the ability to diagnose people you have never met. Your "personal opinion" along with mine, is worthless. Let's hear the Truth. And do not add to my words.

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William Farrar's avatar

I have read your screed, and don't believe it.

I fully realize that personal opinions are just that, but I also know that someone has to counter your propaganda. I could care less what your beliefs and motivations are, but I do care about you spreading religious and right wing propaganda.

It is bullshit like yours that is responsible for the turmoil and loss of rights.

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

To paraphrase the late, great Dizzy Dean, " It ain't 'propaganda,' if it's the truth!" Correct me, if you will, with the truth. I am still learning. And as far as I can tell, the only one trying to take away my rights are the Democrats. And I will not stand by, and allow the Republicans to take away your rights, or mine. If I am anything other than a Christian, I am a Libertarian: If they would leave me alone and let me be a good American Citizen, I would let them serve "We the People." But they don't seem to want to do that. And of course, trading my Freedom for "Security -- lack of 'turmoil'" -- is not acceptable. With God's Help, I can take care of my own, thank you.

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William Farrar's avatar

If you mean the right to discriminate, harass, intimidate, to exclude, to dominate women and others, then yes Democrats are taking away your rights.

Don't tell me about libertarians.. I flirted with the Libertarian Party in 1980 when David Koch was running for President. I have known many libertarians, and they are only libertarian when it comes to themselves, other wise they are little different thant MAGAts.

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

I know very little about the Libertarian Party. But the definition fits my "personality." To "discriminate" is to "distinguish" between right and wrong. We do it every day. I will leave you alone, if you will leave me alone. I cannot force you to accept my "Beliefs," but I reserve the Right to prevent you from forcing your beliefs and practices upon me and my family. All are welcome at my Bible Church, but we cannot "have fellowship with" or participate in "evil." A true "Christian" is not dominant, but "servant of all" (Mark 9:35).

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William Farrar's avatar

Your so full of it, that is your definition of discriminate and it has nothing to do with right or wrong, since right or wrong are subjective, and in the eye of the beholder. Female genital mutilation is right in Somalia and some parts of Africa.

And I don't believe you that you know very little about the libertarian party.

You come across like the Libertarian who went by the screen name of Nuke Buzzcut on the now defunct Liberty Forum. He claimed to be a Libertarian, except he would have executed any woman who had an abortion.

And don't go quoting passages out of a book of fairy tales to me either.

I've read that garbage twice, once as a pre teen and once in my 40's and know it better than you.

But I know why you embrace it Tim, it is the text book and the basis for patriarchal domination, and that is the draw for the Abrahamic religions, you are all the same, diminish, demean and control women, and that is why you are against abortion.

You are no advocate for freedom, definitely not diversity, equity and inclusion.

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

True Freedom is freedom from sin, and the only Definer of sin is the Word of God, which will Judge us all. Are you against babies, half of which are female? A diverse people, from every tribe and tongue, male and female, are included in the offering of an equal share -- along with all the aborted babies -- of Heaven. But they must accept God's Terms.

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William Farrar's avatar

Whose god Tim, your god, so many gods so little time, god spelled backwards is dog. A fetus is not a baby.

What organism lives in the body of a host and draws it's nourishment at the expense of the host

a. Tapeworm

b. Parasite

c. Fetus

d. all of the above.

Answer is d.

My mother was malnourished when she was pregnant with me, but I the fetus, wasn't I took what I needed at my mothers expense,and I cost her two teeth

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Bob Johnson's avatar

Tim,being pro-choice is not taking away your rights. Forcing babies to be born in a world where they would prefer to be dead ,needs to be stopped! I reckon you haven't suffered very much in life thanks to FDR. Thanks to voodoo economics and Ronald Reagan, a few rich people will take you back to the dark ages in their little dungeons, so lots of luck.

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

As Reagan's speech-writer once wrote, "Everyone who is for abortion has already been born." I don't believe FDR gave my Grandfather his job on the Frisco Railroad. I agree that our current debt/overspending Problem began under Ronald Reagan. And we'll never know if the "line-item-Veto" that he requested would have made a difference. God will hold the "rich" responsible: I understand that those of us who live in the United States are in the top 10% of the world. "To whom much is given, much will be required." My wife is from Beijing China, where most of the "peasants" -- yes, they call them that -- are slaves. She is now an American Citizen. Thank God for America: I do every day.

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Bob Johnson's avatar

Tim, voodoo economics is to give the rich tax breaks (50 trillion+), freetrade with China, Nixon normalized relations, legalizing illegal immigrants to bust unions (raygun, 5 million of them). The gop even bought up the dem part;y, remember the raygun democrats?

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

I can do nothing about Reagan or Nixon, except not to repeat their mistakes. It is not wrong to be "rich:" With it comes a lot of responsibility!

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

I am conflicted here: My grandfather was a member of the Railroad Workers and got Railroad Retirement for almost 30 years. I am sure he voted Democrat most of the time, except he couldn't vote for a Catholic JFK. Also, I am sure my grandparents were "Pro-Life!" If all Businesses would pay their employees "fair wages," we wouldn't need "Unions." But, what do we do about the "corrupt" Unions? My wife has the privilege to work for an "employee-owned" Company: It is nice when they distribute the "Profits!" The bottom line is: I must vote for the lesser of two "evils" and then hold them accountable to "We the People!"

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G G's avatar

Donald Trump stole the nation's most protected secrets, wouldn't give them back when asked, hid them from authorities, and stored them in a restroom next to a copy machine. Have you ever seen a copy machine in a restroom? It seems obvious to me he was selling them. Also, he's a convicted rapist. How many contractors did he refuse to pay? The lesser of two evils seems pretty obvious to me.

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

Sounds just like what Hilary did as Secretary of State: Maybe they should both be in jail! I haven't liked Trump ever since he called Ted Cruz a "liar." If he ever called me that, he would be on the ground, and I would be in jail! I don't trust him and if he ever betrays me and doesn't fulfill his promises, he will be held accountable. As for the Democrats: I cannot live under Communism -- "Better DEAD than 'Red'" -- or even 'Socialism." If that is what you want, move to Cuba, or California. Sorry, but I love America and our Constitution, just the way it is -- MINUS all the "Corruption!" Can't we agree on that?

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G G's avatar

I'm very proud of the constitution. Trump has suggested suspending it. He promised to put Hillary in jail, he didn't even try. He promised to have a health care plan on day one, he still doesn't have it. He promised to build a wall from ocean to ocean and have Mexico pay for it, he got just a sliver done on American taxpayer money. He promised to release his taxes, really I could go on...

https://prospect.org/politics/trumps-40-biggest-broken-promises/

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Tim Cantrell's avatar

I agree: I am very disappointed in Trump. But I can't see where Biden even knows what the Truth is! And he was "deposed" by Kamala! I am not voting for a "personality," but rather for a "Platform of Beliefs," which has lately been deteriorating and watered down. Does anyone Stand for anything anymore? My greatest disgust is for the RINOs -- "Traitors!" I cannot compromise with evil. But I am told to "love my enemies." However, should they ever break into my house and threaten my family, I will be like the Amish man who warned, "The place where thou standest is about to be shot!"

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