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Within the Catholic Church, there are groups that still reject the ecumenicism and reform of the '60s. I know people who attend the Latin mass, observe the old rules about meatless Friday, I had friends who were French Canadian, who refused recognize the Roman version. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…
Several variations on the theme. In this hemi…
Within the Catholic Church, there are groups that still reject the ecumenicism and reform of the '60s. I know people who attend the Latin mass, observe the old rules about meatless Friday, I had friends who were French Canadian, who refused recognize the Roman version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Lefebvre
Several variations on the theme. In this hemisphere wars for and against liberation theology. The priests that ran the Sandinistas in Nicaragua were Marxists.
Domestically there is a group that calls itself "Catholic" but is not recognized by Rome, the "National" or the "Old" Catholic Church. The "Old" Santa Barbara Church may/may not actually be more Santeria than Catholic. Internationally there are several "national" official churches. BTW Santa Barbara was decanonized by the Roman Catholic Church, and in her Santeria "path" is Chango or Shango, Santeria god of war.
We had a visible sect that wore Tony Alamo jackets. He called himself Catholic but ran the Pentecostal Alamo Christian Foundation with his wife, Susan, in 1969. The organization is now known as Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and was based in Dyer, Arkansas. Alamo was known for his abusive behavior towards his followers and was convicted of 10 counts of child rape in 2009. He was sentenced to 175 years in prison and died there in May 2017.
I heard of Tony Alamo, his expensive celebrity jackets, and his sexual abuse. I am familiar with the trads and they detest Pope Francis so much they want to start a schism. There are some trads in communion with Rome, others who have sort of disaffiliated themselves (like the Society of St. Pius X.) Pope John Paul II excommunicated Marcel Lefebvre in 1988 when the Pope expressly forbade Lefebvre from consecrating bishops, and Lefebvre went ahead and did it any way. Then, there are people to the right of SSPX who belong to various sedevacantist groups, like Mel Gibson. They have their ow chapels and follow different “leaders.” I have thought Carlo Viganò might join one of these groups now that he is excommunicated by his own actions.
I was raised as a Vatican II Catholic and don’t apologize for it. I am not nostalgic for the Latin Mass, although I do know some Latin hymns we sing some times for Mass. I wouldn’t mind attending a Spanish language Mass because I could follow it too.
When I was a trad Catholic. I sang in the Church choir, myself and the organist would sing Latin hymns, I also attended "underground" masses conducted by an old retired priest in Latin, and we waged a guerilla war against Archbishop Hunthausen of Seattle.
I belonged to Catholic Truth, we received the Wanderer, a newspaper put out by retired nuns and it called John XXIII the anti Christ and Pope John Paul and antiPope.
Once upon a time, I was the lawyer for the "Blue Army" and I am not even Catholic. I think Catholic Charities is the greatest, but there is a lot of institutionalized paranoia. The Jesuits were persecuted by the Dominicans during the Inquisition. Some priests were cleansed by fire, as if they were heretics. As recently as this year, Francis excommunicated bishops. You'd think they'd have rabbit ears for groups like Christian Truth, let alone the "old" Catholics. Domini, Domini.
The Wanderer is published by one branch of the Matt family. It was originally a newspaper published in German for German speaking Catholics, but after use of German was discouraged in World War I, it started publishing in English. After Vatican II, one of the Matt brothers sided with Vatican II reforms and he continued to publish the Wanderer, which is ultra conservative. The other brother strongly disagreed with Vatican II and started publishing a rival paper called the Remnant. Both papers are still in print and have subscribers.
Wow, how do you know all of this. I and my friend use to sneak into the church on Sunday before mass and leave copies in the pew.
I’ve done some reading of my own. The Wanderer is popular with trads still in the churc, and the Remnan with trads whole have broken with Rome. My own preference is for National Catholic Reporter.