I posted two comments since. They are both relevant.
First comment
1) The bases will be unmoved. MAGAs gonna be MAGAs and Dems absolutely know that Trump and Project 25 are existential threats to the democracy.
2) The most important cohort - the Gen Z middle - by and large are unlikely to have watched.
3) WaPo and the NY Times will come out with another set of badly done, biased polls that drum up the horse race mentality in their complete dereliction of duty to the country. They will focus almost exclusively on Biden’s age and ignore the fact that Trump lied continuously, refused to answer at least five questions, and specifically used the same trope of refusing to accept the election unless it is fair that he used in 2020.
4) The election will be decided by women whose lives are under threat from a runaway corrupt Supreme Court and an insane MAGA caucus.
Here’s Joyce Vance’s take on the debate:
“I’ll let the political analysts and the pollsters assess the debate's impact and leave you with an encouraging conversation I had tonight. I asked some young people if they and their friends were paying attention to the debate. The bottom line was that while some of them wanted to watch it, most people weren’t paying attention—the election is still too far away. But when I asked whether they were going to vote for Biden, the response was clear: “Of course.” Sure, they think Biden is old. They don’t like all of his policies. But, “We’re not stupid,” they told me. “We understand what’s at stake.” These young people, who get that they have the most to lose if Trump wins, are prepared to do what’s necessary in November.”
Second comment
Eight years after TFG came down the escalator, what I find to be appalling and disheartening is that the media, the pundits, the commentariat are focusing exclusively on Biden’s “performance”, and ignoring the fact that
Every
Single
Word
that came out of Trump’s mouth was a lie.
That he became progressively less coherent over time. That it was all projection and frankly, abusive. His was also a “performance”, and it spoke volumes about who he is and what he will do.
Some have mentioned that Biden failed his own cognitive test.
There were two cognitive tests on display last night.
The results of one of those tests were clearly invisible to many.
The abusive, narcissistic con man (who is only three years younger) came across as such people often do to those who see only the surface. But look beneath and his word salad, his non-stop nonsensical prevarications, his hate, his adamant refusal to answer questions, his complete lack of knowledge, and his profound insecurity were all there.
Biden is old. Trump is evil.
If as is likely Trump continues to deteriorate as he has, he won’t finish his term and we’ll be left with a sycophantic coward, because that’s whom he’ll choose to be in his shadow.
If as is likely Biden deteriorates and has to step down, we will have the most experienced and competent V.P. in the history of the country - one who will continue the excellent work Joe has done.
Yeah I see where you are coming from 100%. My feeling is, even if Biden had walked on water last night, he would not have won over any Trump people. And if the independent or swing voters think Biden is too old, how do they feel about Trump's constant lies and lack of commitment to any sane policies, either foreign or domestic? Most Independents are pro-choice. Most care at least a little about the planet. Trump also abandoned the middle class on the fiduciary issue. He is hostile to unions. I think the Dems have enough points on our side to win over the independents despite one lackluster debate night (which btw not that many people watched anyhow).
My thoughts exactly!! The ‘liberal’ press was going to react exactly as they did no matter HOW Biden acted. They’ve been doing this for 31/2 yrs. Biden isn’t running out of hubris. He staving off a dictator. The job only ravages you if you truly care & do the work. He probably won’t live through the next 4 yrs., but his administration will carry on.
Edward; My wife watches the view, it is recorded, She showed me the comments, Best one was a pissing match between octogenarians, but basically gen Z is the uncommitted and they weren't watching. Gen Z females know what is at stake.
You are 100% correct. VP Harris might not have the surface flashiness of some of the brash Republican mouthpieces, that support Trump. But she has the depth, intelligence and internal fortitude to step up to the helm, should, heaven forbid, something happen that our warrior, fighting to save democracy, is unable to continue. True to form, and his character, you can bet that Biden has also channeled as much of his personal expertise as possible to Kamala, should her VP services ever become necessary. Democrats generally, and particularly Joe Biden are like that, they put the people of the country ahead of themselves. Narcissists like Trump have no understanding of that concept. It underscores why we should never want a situation to persist where the morbidly wealthy are able control the political direction of our democracy, nor it's 4th estate.
I posted two comments since. They are both relevant.
First comment
1) The bases will be unmoved. MAGAs gonna be MAGAs and Dems absolutely know that Trump and Project 25 are existential threats to the democracy.
2) The most important cohort - the Gen Z middle - by and large are unlikely to have watched.
3) WaPo and the NY Times will come out with another set of badly done, biased polls that drum up the horse race mentality in their complete dereliction of duty to the country. They will focus almost exclusively on Biden’s age and ignore the fact that Trump lied continuously, refused to answer at least five questions, and specifically used the same trope of refusing to accept the election unless it is fair that he used in 2020.
4) The election will be decided by women whose lives are under threat from a runaway corrupt Supreme Court and an insane MAGA caucus.
Here’s Joyce Vance’s take on the debate:
“I’ll let the political analysts and the pollsters assess the debate's impact and leave you with an encouraging conversation I had tonight. I asked some young people if they and their friends were paying attention to the debate. The bottom line was that while some of them wanted to watch it, most people weren’t paying attention—the election is still too far away. But when I asked whether they were going to vote for Biden, the response was clear: “Of course.” Sure, they think Biden is old. They don’t like all of his policies. But, “We’re not stupid,” they told me. “We understand what’s at stake.” These young people, who get that they have the most to lose if Trump wins, are prepared to do what’s necessary in November.”
Second comment
Eight years after TFG came down the escalator, what I find to be appalling and disheartening is that the media, the pundits, the commentariat are focusing exclusively on Biden’s “performance”, and ignoring the fact that
Every
Single
Word
that came out of Trump’s mouth was a lie.
That he became progressively less coherent over time. That it was all projection and frankly, abusive. His was also a “performance”, and it spoke volumes about who he is and what he will do.
Some have mentioned that Biden failed his own cognitive test.
There were two cognitive tests on display last night.
The results of one of those tests were clearly invisible to many.
The abusive, narcissistic con man (who is only three years younger) came across as such people often do to those who see only the surface. But look beneath and his word salad, his non-stop nonsensical prevarications, his hate, his adamant refusal to answer questions, his complete lack of knowledge, and his profound insecurity were all there.
Biden is old. Trump is evil.
If as is likely Trump continues to deteriorate as he has, he won’t finish his term and we’ll be left with a sycophantic coward, because that’s whom he’ll choose to be in his shadow.
If as is likely Biden deteriorates and has to step down, we will have the most experienced and competent V.P. in the history of the country - one who will continue the excellent work Joe has done.
There is only one choice.
Yeah I see where you are coming from 100%. My feeling is, even if Biden had walked on water last night, he would not have won over any Trump people. And if the independent or swing voters think Biden is too old, how do they feel about Trump's constant lies and lack of commitment to any sane policies, either foreign or domestic? Most Independents are pro-choice. Most care at least a little about the planet. Trump also abandoned the middle class on the fiduciary issue. He is hostile to unions. I think the Dems have enough points on our side to win over the independents despite one lackluster debate night (which btw not that many people watched anyhow).
Hoorah Joyce and Edward! My and many many others thoughts emphatically!
My thoughts exactly!! The ‘liberal’ press was going to react exactly as they did no matter HOW Biden acted. They’ve been doing this for 31/2 yrs. Biden isn’t running out of hubris. He staving off a dictator. The job only ravages you if you truly care & do the work. He probably won’t live through the next 4 yrs., but his administration will carry on.
Sue, It looks to me like Biden is bringing the ship, dictatorship, to port and docking it gently?
Edward; My wife watches the view, it is recorded, She showed me the comments, Best one was a pissing match between octogenarians, but basically gen Z is the uncommitted and they weren't watching. Gen Z females know what is at stake.
You are 100% correct. VP Harris might not have the surface flashiness of some of the brash Republican mouthpieces, that support Trump. But she has the depth, intelligence and internal fortitude to step up to the helm, should, heaven forbid, something happen that our warrior, fighting to save democracy, is unable to continue. True to form, and his character, you can bet that Biden has also channeled as much of his personal expertise as possible to Kamala, should her VP services ever become necessary. Democrats generally, and particularly Joe Biden are like that, they put the people of the country ahead of themselves. Narcissists like Trump have no understanding of that concept. It underscores why we should never want a situation to persist where the morbidly wealthy are able control the political direction of our democracy, nor it's 4th estate.
Exactly .0000001% of voters changed their mind over the debate last night.