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Well, I wholly agree with you on this. The problem is -- will most of us be able to escape? Will the spouse come with? Will I be able to take my dog? Where can we actually go? Canada? Mexico? escape is mostly for those with money. I agree though; like the Jews, they thought it was all just bombastic speech and that Hitler would never carry out his plans or that others would be able to control him. I don't want to see my neighbors marched down the streets to train cars, or worse, myself be loaded into train cars. I will try to kill myself before that happens.

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Unless you can bring $240,000 and a business that creates Jobs, Canada doesn't want you unless you are a victim of political persecution and your life is at risk. New Zealand is even worse, meet the requirements and you get a 2 year, renewable resident visa

My choice is Costa Rica, I love he spanish culture, the language is the easiest to learn in the whole world, the people are great and there is an ex pat community, and the requirements are easy, and they probably will let you bring your dog.

I am not too worried, I am 85 with health considerations, in remission from lung cancer, and require quarterly monitoring via a CT Scan, also pre diabetic but drugs in Cosa Rica are cheap, not ripped off by PhRMA like in the U.s.

Canada does want us, because they don't want Americans free loading off their socialist health care.

By the way the Canadian System was the child of the grandfather of Keifer Sutherland.

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You are a brave man at 85 to think about moving. I am 72, and hesitate completely. I guess I have too much 'stuff' that I'd want to bring, and I have never been outside the US (being mainly a working class person for my entire life; my vacations usually entailed moving cross country to a new location with FedEx). At any rate, I have looked at Cost Rica in a dreaming kind of way. Have you ever been there? People who have socialist health care would never trade their care for ours, no matter how much those Canadians might say. Sure, they might come here - but if you have no insurance in this country, you don't just have a long wait. Your wait is forever. Lucky me; I've always picked jobs with benefits and pension plans, but since all our monies come from government pensions in one way or another, not certain those monies would be secure if the GQP takes over. So, if you've been to Costa Rica, what parts have you looked at?

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I've been to Costa Rica, and lived in Panama for three years. Love the place,love the people, love the culture.

As far as the shit we have accumulated, they are just things. Things can be replaced and frankly we have more things than we need. The poorest American has more things than the nobility of old, just not the bright shiny status things that we think are so important.

I spent 26 years in the military, permanent change of station (PCS) move after PCS move, and after retirement, still more moves, left behind things, have gone through three libraries, the last one is boxed up in my garage, probably mild dewed because I haven't unpacked, and it has been 5 years since the last move.

Idon't love things, I love people and pets. And I have lost people, myself and a cousin on on my fathers side are the sole survivors.

Parents, aunts, uncles, 1st cousins, even some 1st cousins once removed and 2nd cousins have all passed

I have children, they are all middle aged going on 60 or in their 60's, I did my job, and they are on their own now, 11 grandchildren, 30 great grandchildren, and one great great grandchild. They are all wrapped up in their own lives, and don't have a thought about me or anyone else.

As you grow older, your primary concern is health and health care.

Through CAJA, the country's citizens and permanent residents have 100% coverage for all medical procedures, appointments, hospital visits, and prescription.

With Gringo dollars and retirement income, one can afford specialized care, and it is a lot cheaper in Costa Rica than in this country.

As for quality of health care. In 1975 I cracked a cervical vertebrae and squashed a disk. I was operated on by a Dr Pinilla, a neurosurgeon.

Dr Pinillia was alerted by the sate department when Kennedy was shot, and was on a plane over the Caribbean when they got word that Kennedy was pronounced dead, and the plane turned back.

Quality physicians and motivated by more than money. the only thing possibly missing is expensive diagnostic machines.

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