The Iroquois could manage a democracy because they weren't saddled with huge disparities in wealth and poverty; capitalism tends to exacerbate such disparities. Acceding to the demands of the wealthy while ignoring the needs of the poor is the natural result; ultimately the rich want everything, as we are seeing now.
The Iroquois could manage a democracy because they weren't saddled with huge disparities in wealth and poverty; capitalism tends to exacerbate such disparities. Acceding to the demands of the wealthy while ignoring the needs of the poor is the natural result; ultimately the rich want everything, as we are seeing now.
Thanks for the Jeffrey, you are absolutely correct. What works at small scale does not work at large scale, Not everything is scalable.
I am not sure that capitalism is the correct termor concept, by which to describe our economic/political environment. It is , for many, the only tool that we have because it was gifted us by Karl Marx.
Karl also gifted us with words like Bourgeoisie and proletariat because in his day there was no such thing as a middle class, which itself was lower, middle, and upper.for him there was only the bourgeoisie, by which he meant mean who owned the means of production and those who worked for those who owned the means of production. Of the ruling elite, the upper class, he had nothing to say, perhaps because they were the ones who financed him as The League of Just Men.
The closest one can come to a middle class in the 18th and 19th Century was the "middlings", which included shop keepers, freemen, guild, craftsmen.
I don't knolw. Comunnist societies existed before Marx was born. I always refer to "The Derserted Village." 1770. The Theory of Moral Sentiments was written in 1759 and An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations in 1776.
I grew up ten miles from Wampum, Pa..... and about 15 miles from Old Harmony. Wampum was the means of exchange.... Old Harmony and Old Economy were communist towns.
I wasn't talking about communist societies Daniel, I was talking about Marx's concepts of bourgeoisie and proletariat, Not communism
I know communism predates Marx, the Iroquois confederation was communist.
White kids that were kidnapped and adopted into the Iroquois didn't want to return and those that were forced to return often ran away to join the tribe.
I know that you know of Oneida dinner ware, it was produced by what was then a communist society.
Again I was not talking of communism. It seems that the mere mention of Marx evokes and image of communism, and that is the problem.
Yes Mr. Hobbs you are correct. have you read THE DAWN OF EVERYTHING by David Graeber and David Wengrow? They are, or were, pioneering cultural anthropologists. Graeber has died.
The Iroquois could manage a democracy because they weren't saddled with huge disparities in wealth and poverty; capitalism tends to exacerbate such disparities. Acceding to the demands of the wealthy while ignoring the needs of the poor is the natural result; ultimately the rich want everything, as we are seeing now.
Thanks for the Jeffrey, you are absolutely correct. What works at small scale does not work at large scale, Not everything is scalable.
I am not sure that capitalism is the correct termor concept, by which to describe our economic/political environment. It is , for many, the only tool that we have because it was gifted us by Karl Marx.
Karl also gifted us with words like Bourgeoisie and proletariat because in his day there was no such thing as a middle class, which itself was lower, middle, and upper.for him there was only the bourgeoisie, by which he meant mean who owned the means of production and those who worked for those who owned the means of production. Of the ruling elite, the upper class, he had nothing to say, perhaps because they were the ones who financed him as The League of Just Men.
The closest one can come to a middle class in the 18th and 19th Century was the "middlings", which included shop keepers, freemen, guild, craftsmen.
I don't knolw. Comunnist societies existed before Marx was born. I always refer to "The Derserted Village." 1770. The Theory of Moral Sentiments was written in 1759 and An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations in 1776.
I grew up ten miles from Wampum, Pa..... and about 15 miles from Old Harmony. Wampum was the means of exchange.... Old Harmony and Old Economy were communist towns.
I wasn't talking about communist societies Daniel, I was talking about Marx's concepts of bourgeoisie and proletariat, Not communism
I know communism predates Marx, the Iroquois confederation was communist.
White kids that were kidnapped and adopted into the Iroquois didn't want to return and those that were forced to return often ran away to join the tribe.
I know that you know of Oneida dinner ware, it was produced by what was then a communist society.
Again I was not talking of communism. It seems that the mere mention of Marx evokes and image of communism, and that is the problem.
Yes Mr. Hobbs you are correct. have you read THE DAWN OF EVERYTHING by David Graeber and David Wengrow? They are, or were, pioneering cultural anthropologists. Graeber has died.