As the standard of living drops in America, more and more Americans are becoming fascists. This was probably planned over 50 years ago. First, ship the jobs and manufacturing plants to other countries, then import as many union busting immigrants as possible, then loot and steal and borrow and obstruct and blame it on the socialists. Any…
As the standard of living drops in America, more and more Americans are becoming fascists. This was probably planned over 50 years ago. First, ship the jobs and manufacturing plants to other countries, then import as many union busting immigrants as possible, then loot and steal and borrow and obstruct and blame it on the socialists. Anyone who opposes regulating capitalism and keeping money out of politics, is an enemy to the nation and God.
I would agree with your comment except "union busting immigrants"that sounds like it is taken from the right wing play book. Immigrants are not union busting. Either they are unskillled who do jobs that Americans won't or can't do for the wages the employers are willing to pay (you should have watched Last Week Tonight, last night. Or they are well educated and members of the upper class, like most Indian Americans (Nimrata Nikki Haley,. Dinesh D'Souza or Mehmet Oz, or Piers Morgan who migrate to America and glom on to what they perceive as the ruling class, but are themselves enemies of the very democracy which accepted them.
The reason I use the term, "union busting immigrants", is because I want to remind the right wing Reagan supporters of Ronald Reagan's stance on unions and his determination to bust the unions. We must never let the right forget that Reaganomics is what has almost solely destroyed America, especially free trade in the trickle down. I have always supported zero population growth and at the time was very opposed to free trade, I supported fair trade and no population growth and I was right. It's a little late for the religious to be concerned about global warming now and most aren't concerned anyway.
The American Miners Association was formed in 1861
Unions first garnered public attention in 1845 when British emigrant reformers flooded the American workforce and zealously spread the gospel of unionism.[3] Since then, American corporate employers used newsletters to tarnish the reputation of unions and depicted them as “foreign importations.”[4] As a result, union activists and members were unfavorably judged as individuals who were against the spirit of American institutions. However, it was the labor leaders who were oftentimes targeted and publicly denounced as “blatherskites” and “demagogues” who were “too lazy to work and unwilling to allow self-respecting men to work.”
Those British immigrant reformers were most certainly Irish, fleeing the potato famine of 1845, and were mainly used to build Rail Roads, tunnels and the Erie Canal.
During the civil war Lincoln sent recruiters throughout Europe, especially Ireland, Germany and Eastern Europe. One of my great great grandparents were in Rhineland, then part of Prussia and answered the call, but arrived here after the south surrendered. The next immigration wave saw people from Italy, Greece,the Balkans and Ashkenazi from eastern Europe and Poland migrating to the U.S. perhaps it was these who were used as "scabs" to bust unions.
Free trade isn't free. It is controlled by governments, on both sides of the table, and unfettered trade, where government is not involved, enables the producer (corporation or nature) to produce widgets at the lowest possible cost, mainly keeping down variable costs like labor, to extract the greatest profit.
NAFTA and GAAT are prime examples of "free trade", and they have created (Thanks Bill)the rust belt, which is now swing states
Free trade and the unrequalted market is the very essence of Libertarianism and why the Koch Brother found the Libertarian party. Daddy Fred Koch, must have fallen in love with communism while building oil wells for Stalin. Article 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution states in essence if you don't work you don't eat, and the Soviet Union had the cheapest of all nations labor.
Karl Marx was a proto libertarian, he was against tariffs, and argued that the south should free the slaves and hire them back at market wages, thus produce cheaper cotton, that would allow his partner Frederick Engels, to make a profit. Engels was buying cheap and inferior Egyptian cotton.
There are those who believe and have done the math, that zero population growth is entropic, however the earths population is doubling about every five or ten years. It took 1,000 years to go from 1 billion to 5 billion and today another billion are added almost every other year.
We breed like rabbits (feels so good),but deadly in overpopulated regions that can't feed their population, or provide a basic standard of living, like India.
The Earth is not a cornucopia, and its natural resources or finite, as is the food supply, soil depleted of nutrients can only be replenished with fertilizer, fertilizer today is made from oil and gas, and there are finite oil reserves. Saudi Arabia is running dry, perhaps that is why they have made a move for rapproachment with Iran. The Sunni Shia conflict is 1400 years old, over a question of who is the rightful successor to Muhammad, the Sunni won the war of the mind, in most of the Islamic world.
That they are willing to set aside this 1400 year old squabble is an event that needs to be examined under a microscope, it bodes ill for the west, especially with Iran a virtual partner with Putin.
Global warming, fecundity, resource depletion it all heralds the end of the anthropogene epoch., estimates of it the chickens coming home to roost range from 2040 to the22nd Century.
I won't be around to see it, but my grandchildren and great grandchildren will. Maybe my children, but by then they will be as old as I am now.
The union busters aren't the immigrants. This is a fundamental falsity that the Republicans push via Fox and their other propaganda outlets. The union busters are the executives of the companies involved as well as the legislators that support them in the effort. For example Starbucks CEO, Howard Shultz just got accused of union-busting; though he claims not to have done so, there is considerable evidence he is personally involved in threats to employees and even wrongful termination of employees trying to unionize. "That's a nice job you got there; it would be a pity if something terrible happened to it" sort of intimidation. Immigrants aren't coming in "stealing" barista jobs. Shultz just wants to continue to be able to exploit employees on behalf of his stockholders. Industries such as meat packing, arguably a huge employer of undocumented immigrants, abhor the idea of unionization as do the construction companies. Right now they can hire non-documented immigrants, exploit them and risk little more than a small (relative) slap on the financial wrist. Nobody is ever held personally responsible. If you are interested in anti-union legislation in the works, primarily fronted by Republicans, visit https://www.fastcompany.com/90775158/anti-union-bills-bubble-up-in-congress-despite-growing-voter-support-for-organized-labor
The greedy unlimited capitalists make a lot of their money on population growth. Mostly through real estate prices going up. About 1/3 of this nation has been brought in since about 1980. The minimum wage is still 7.25 an hour in a lot of states. When there is a worker shortage, the employers must pay more money and unions aren't needed as badly. Immigrants of all races have made the rich right-wing fascists richer in more ways than one. I pity all the poor newborn babies under the age of 100. That's probably about 85%. I'm a big fan of pro-choice to end human suffering.
Could you provide a citation for your assertion about 1/3 of us being immigrants? That's just not the case in any study I can find. You can get real data (as opposed to right wing spin) at: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time. Immigration today is at the same level as 1900. In 2020, the percentage of immigrants against the total US population is 13.6%, which is actually somewhat lower than in 1900. Of course, in 1900, it was mostly white folk and now there are a lot of brown folk. Is that your beef? My experience is that is the beef for most of the anti-immigration crowd. You need to get better sources of information, or failing that, provide valid citations for your assertions. Newsman, Fox and OAN are off the table as they are propaganda sites, not scientific/study sites.
Also, I don't disagree about greedy capitalists. But the ways in which they are screwing us over has little to do with immigration. Are you really upset that undocumented workers are bent over picking strawberries 12 hours a day or working in grueling and unsafe conditions in meat packing plants? How loudly would you complain if prices for these things, say, doubled if immigrants weren't available to do the job. If you ARE upset about these things, whose fault is it? Is it the immigrant looking for a better life or the business owners looking to improve their profits? Why aren't business owners who purposely recruit undocumented workers punished with less than serious financial slap on the wrist. It simply costs them less to pay a few fines than to hire US citizens. Conservative businessmen offshored our good jobs and industries to improve the bottom line for stockholders - 10% of whom own about 90% of the stocks. They were aided and abetted by both parties and by the American people who demanded cheaper and cheaper goods. We did it to ourselves as much as the greedy capitalists did it to us. And for the record, unions are desperately needed to counter the problems you point out.
Susie, I am more concerned about the fate of all the children who will be raised in poverty and all of the criminals created by financial insecurity that I am about the color of anybody's skin. I never wanted Russian immigrants Irish immigrants European immigrants polish immigrants either. America's population in 1980 was 226 million and currently in 2022 it is 336 million please look it up on the internet I am not very good with the smartphones. Billions of people will be put at the mercy of the conservative right-wing fascist robber barons. I was not taught capitalism was unsustainable in school and I was not taught that religions are evil and I was not taught that the family unit ruins more children than it raises. I was groomed to be just another cog in the wheel. It looks like reality is going to hit the fan pretty soon in the thug sociopath can't wait and when they end up in a third world working for less than a dollar an hour they will wish they had FDR back.
I don't think we're so far apart on many issues, but I just don't see immigrants as the problem. Yes, population has increased, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, since our system is based on growth and we are reproducing at a less than one for one levels. Whether or not we should base our economy on exponential growth is another issue, as it is ultimately unsustainable. But it IS our economic system.
What difference does it make if the immigrant is here doing the work or in their home countries doing the work that was off-shored by corporate executives? Citizens in the USA are denied those jobs. It's the same dynamic, except here, at least, they pay taxes and have *relatively* safe working conditions. Here, at least, we are not building up another country to be both a military and economic threat with our purchases. Here, at least, immigrant labor brings prosperity to communities - something off-shoring does not.
IMO, real reform would be forcing industry back to the USA, biting the bullet and paying the price for goods sustainably and fairly made. But it is our citizens - the very people negatively impacted the most by outsourcing - who balk at the thought of higher prices. We've become addicted to cheap goods. Me too, but trying to recover. It is easy to look at those dirty corporations that took our jobs overseas; more difficult to look in the mirror and understand our roles.
Oligarchs become oligarchs because they get rich delivering what people want. It started out with what I call the $5 Walmart (or any big box) shirt. A decent shirt cannot be produced, marketed, shipped across an ocean, unpacked, stocked and sold for $5 without exploitative labor practices. This should be obvious. But US citizens hustled as fast as they could to those big boxes to buy those $5 shirts. The oligarchs were there to assure us, via their pundits and think tanks that 1) Oh, we're lifting these people up; all boats are going to rise as a result (LIE: it has become a race to the bottom.) 2) We have good, safe labor standards for our subcontractors who produce our products (LIE: over and over again we find sweatshops and appalling conditions for mostly female workers) and 3) Look how cheaply we can provide goods! (That one, at least is true.)
When I noticed all the shoes coming from China, way back in the 70's, I tried to buy American. When I could *find* American-made shoes, which were only at the high-end stores, they were 5X the price of the cheap Chinese versions at the big box. I bought one pair for myself, but for my kids, who needed bigger sizes every six months, I gave in to temptation and bought them at Walmart. I became part of the problem. Now, there is almost NO choice about shoes. They come from China, even at the high end.
I'd rather the industries be here where we can monitor safety and work standards, getting taxes and building up communities.
Immigrants help grow our economy and improve the strength of our nation. Many serve in our military. They pay taxes and they generally work very hard and do jobs many citizens don't want. It is true that they are a concern in some industries (construction, meat packing, etc.) But nobody would come here and sign up for that work if corporations did not encourage it and government did not tolerate it. The immigrants themselves are not the problem. Corporatocracy is the problem. The oligarchs are the problem. Always have been in the USA.
I remember when free trade was always being discussed I think it was about the early 80s or so, I would use the analogy, we are in a dingy and we're going to catch a whale. I wish I was wrong. Yes please right wing gunmongers most of never worked a day in their life. By work I mean picking strawberries or beans and only making about 85 cents an hour in 100° weather. I did all those jobs graduated from high school but no criminal record and still couldn't get hired because I didn't have connections. The gun nuts that don't like to wear masks or get vaccinated they have not a clue what they will inherit with a robber baron as a dictator. They will be replaced and younger workers who work for half as much will get their jobs.
We need to bring a lot of manufacturing jobs back like textiles. Our homeless could do those kinds of jobs. Also of course we need to bring the pharmaceutical industry and the chip manufacturing industries back before we are dumped, which I think is in the cards. Overpopulation in reality and greed are our biggest problems. If humans could live in 350 ft apartments and road electric bicycles, and all the power plants ran on geothermal energy and the airplanes ran on biofuels, in my opinion there could be enough room on Earth for 10 billion people, but with global warming it looks like about 1 billion will be able to survive.
As the standard of living drops in America, more and more Americans are becoming fascists. This was probably planned over 50 years ago. First, ship the jobs and manufacturing plants to other countries, then import as many union busting immigrants as possible, then loot and steal and borrow and obstruct and blame it on the socialists. Anyone who opposes regulating capitalism and keeping money out of politics, is an enemy to the nation and God.
I would agree with your comment except "union busting immigrants"that sounds like it is taken from the right wing play book. Immigrants are not union busting. Either they are unskillled who do jobs that Americans won't or can't do for the wages the employers are willing to pay (you should have watched Last Week Tonight, last night. Or they are well educated and members of the upper class, like most Indian Americans (Nimrata Nikki Haley,. Dinesh D'Souza or Mehmet Oz, or Piers Morgan who migrate to America and glom on to what they perceive as the ruling class, but are themselves enemies of the very democracy which accepted them.
The reason I use the term, "union busting immigrants", is because I want to remind the right wing Reagan supporters of Ronald Reagan's stance on unions and his determination to bust the unions. We must never let the right forget that Reaganomics is what has almost solely destroyed America, especially free trade in the trickle down. I have always supported zero population growth and at the time was very opposed to free trade, I supported fair trade and no population growth and I was right. It's a little late for the religious to be concerned about global warming now and most aren't concerned anyway.
You might be right, but I don't see immigrants used for Union busting
Picked this from wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Miners%27_Association
The American Miners Association was formed in 1861
Unions first garnered public attention in 1845 when British emigrant reformers flooded the American workforce and zealously spread the gospel of unionism.[3] Since then, American corporate employers used newsletters to tarnish the reputation of unions and depicted them as “foreign importations.”[4] As a result, union activists and members were unfavorably judged as individuals who were against the spirit of American institutions. However, it was the labor leaders who were oftentimes targeted and publicly denounced as “blatherskites” and “demagogues” who were “too lazy to work and unwilling to allow self-respecting men to work.”
Those British immigrant reformers were most certainly Irish, fleeing the potato famine of 1845, and were mainly used to build Rail Roads, tunnels and the Erie Canal.
During the civil war Lincoln sent recruiters throughout Europe, especially Ireland, Germany and Eastern Europe. One of my great great grandparents were in Rhineland, then part of Prussia and answered the call, but arrived here after the south surrendered. The next immigration wave saw people from Italy, Greece,the Balkans and Ashkenazi from eastern Europe and Poland migrating to the U.S. perhaps it was these who were used as "scabs" to bust unions.
Free trade isn't free. It is controlled by governments, on both sides of the table, and unfettered trade, where government is not involved, enables the producer (corporation or nature) to produce widgets at the lowest possible cost, mainly keeping down variable costs like labor, to extract the greatest profit.
NAFTA and GAAT are prime examples of "free trade", and they have created (Thanks Bill)the rust belt, which is now swing states
Free trade and the unrequalted market is the very essence of Libertarianism and why the Koch Brother found the Libertarian party. Daddy Fred Koch, must have fallen in love with communism while building oil wells for Stalin. Article 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution states in essence if you don't work you don't eat, and the Soviet Union had the cheapest of all nations labor.
Karl Marx was a proto libertarian, he was against tariffs, and argued that the south should free the slaves and hire them back at market wages, thus produce cheaper cotton, that would allow his partner Frederick Engels, to make a profit. Engels was buying cheap and inferior Egyptian cotton.
There are those who believe and have done the math, that zero population growth is entropic, however the earths population is doubling about every five or ten years. It took 1,000 years to go from 1 billion to 5 billion and today another billion are added almost every other year.
We breed like rabbits (feels so good),but deadly in overpopulated regions that can't feed their population, or provide a basic standard of living, like India.
The Earth is not a cornucopia, and its natural resources or finite, as is the food supply, soil depleted of nutrients can only be replenished with fertilizer, fertilizer today is made from oil and gas, and there are finite oil reserves. Saudi Arabia is running dry, perhaps that is why they have made a move for rapproachment with Iran. The Sunni Shia conflict is 1400 years old, over a question of who is the rightful successor to Muhammad, the Sunni won the war of the mind, in most of the Islamic world.
That they are willing to set aside this 1400 year old squabble is an event that needs to be examined under a microscope, it bodes ill for the west, especially with Iran a virtual partner with Putin.
Global warming, fecundity, resource depletion it all heralds the end of the anthropogene epoch., estimates of it the chickens coming home to roost range from 2040 to the22nd Century.
I won't be around to see it, but my grandchildren and great grandchildren will. Maybe my children, but by then they will be as old as I am now.
The religious long for their apocalypse.
The union busters aren't the immigrants. This is a fundamental falsity that the Republicans push via Fox and their other propaganda outlets. The union busters are the executives of the companies involved as well as the legislators that support them in the effort. For example Starbucks CEO, Howard Shultz just got accused of union-busting; though he claims not to have done so, there is considerable evidence he is personally involved in threats to employees and even wrongful termination of employees trying to unionize. "That's a nice job you got there; it would be a pity if something terrible happened to it" sort of intimidation. Immigrants aren't coming in "stealing" barista jobs. Shultz just wants to continue to be able to exploit employees on behalf of his stockholders. Industries such as meat packing, arguably a huge employer of undocumented immigrants, abhor the idea of unionization as do the construction companies. Right now they can hire non-documented immigrants, exploit them and risk little more than a small (relative) slap on the financial wrist. Nobody is ever held personally responsible. If you are interested in anti-union legislation in the works, primarily fronted by Republicans, visit https://www.fastcompany.com/90775158/anti-union-bills-bubble-up-in-congress-despite-growing-voter-support-for-organized-labor
The greedy unlimited capitalists make a lot of their money on population growth. Mostly through real estate prices going up. About 1/3 of this nation has been brought in since about 1980. The minimum wage is still 7.25 an hour in a lot of states. When there is a worker shortage, the employers must pay more money and unions aren't needed as badly. Immigrants of all races have made the rich right-wing fascists richer in more ways than one. I pity all the poor newborn babies under the age of 100. That's probably about 85%. I'm a big fan of pro-choice to end human suffering.
Could you provide a citation for your assertion about 1/3 of us being immigrants? That's just not the case in any study I can find. You can get real data (as opposed to right wing spin) at: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time. Immigration today is at the same level as 1900. In 2020, the percentage of immigrants against the total US population is 13.6%, which is actually somewhat lower than in 1900. Of course, in 1900, it was mostly white folk and now there are a lot of brown folk. Is that your beef? My experience is that is the beef for most of the anti-immigration crowd. You need to get better sources of information, or failing that, provide valid citations for your assertions. Newsman, Fox and OAN are off the table as they are propaganda sites, not scientific/study sites.
Also, I don't disagree about greedy capitalists. But the ways in which they are screwing us over has little to do with immigration. Are you really upset that undocumented workers are bent over picking strawberries 12 hours a day or working in grueling and unsafe conditions in meat packing plants? How loudly would you complain if prices for these things, say, doubled if immigrants weren't available to do the job. If you ARE upset about these things, whose fault is it? Is it the immigrant looking for a better life or the business owners looking to improve their profits? Why aren't business owners who purposely recruit undocumented workers punished with less than serious financial slap on the wrist. It simply costs them less to pay a few fines than to hire US citizens. Conservative businessmen offshored our good jobs and industries to improve the bottom line for stockholders - 10% of whom own about 90% of the stocks. They were aided and abetted by both parties and by the American people who demanded cheaper and cheaper goods. We did it to ourselves as much as the greedy capitalists did it to us. And for the record, unions are desperately needed to counter the problems you point out.
Susie, I am more concerned about the fate of all the children who will be raised in poverty and all of the criminals created by financial insecurity that I am about the color of anybody's skin. I never wanted Russian immigrants Irish immigrants European immigrants polish immigrants either. America's population in 1980 was 226 million and currently in 2022 it is 336 million please look it up on the internet I am not very good with the smartphones. Billions of people will be put at the mercy of the conservative right-wing fascist robber barons. I was not taught capitalism was unsustainable in school and I was not taught that religions are evil and I was not taught that the family unit ruins more children than it raises. I was groomed to be just another cog in the wheel. It looks like reality is going to hit the fan pretty soon in the thug sociopath can't wait and when they end up in a third world working for less than a dollar an hour they will wish they had FDR back.
I don't think we're so far apart on many issues, but I just don't see immigrants as the problem. Yes, population has increased, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, since our system is based on growth and we are reproducing at a less than one for one levels. Whether or not we should base our economy on exponential growth is another issue, as it is ultimately unsustainable. But it IS our economic system.
What difference does it make if the immigrant is here doing the work or in their home countries doing the work that was off-shored by corporate executives? Citizens in the USA are denied those jobs. It's the same dynamic, except here, at least, they pay taxes and have *relatively* safe working conditions. Here, at least, we are not building up another country to be both a military and economic threat with our purchases. Here, at least, immigrant labor brings prosperity to communities - something off-shoring does not.
IMO, real reform would be forcing industry back to the USA, biting the bullet and paying the price for goods sustainably and fairly made. But it is our citizens - the very people negatively impacted the most by outsourcing - who balk at the thought of higher prices. We've become addicted to cheap goods. Me too, but trying to recover. It is easy to look at those dirty corporations that took our jobs overseas; more difficult to look in the mirror and understand our roles.
Oligarchs become oligarchs because they get rich delivering what people want. It started out with what I call the $5 Walmart (or any big box) shirt. A decent shirt cannot be produced, marketed, shipped across an ocean, unpacked, stocked and sold for $5 without exploitative labor practices. This should be obvious. But US citizens hustled as fast as they could to those big boxes to buy those $5 shirts. The oligarchs were there to assure us, via their pundits and think tanks that 1) Oh, we're lifting these people up; all boats are going to rise as a result (LIE: it has become a race to the bottom.) 2) We have good, safe labor standards for our subcontractors who produce our products (LIE: over and over again we find sweatshops and appalling conditions for mostly female workers) and 3) Look how cheaply we can provide goods! (That one, at least is true.)
When I noticed all the shoes coming from China, way back in the 70's, I tried to buy American. When I could *find* American-made shoes, which were only at the high-end stores, they were 5X the price of the cheap Chinese versions at the big box. I bought one pair for myself, but for my kids, who needed bigger sizes every six months, I gave in to temptation and bought them at Walmart. I became part of the problem. Now, there is almost NO choice about shoes. They come from China, even at the high end.
I'd rather the industries be here where we can monitor safety and work standards, getting taxes and building up communities.
Immigrants help grow our economy and improve the strength of our nation. Many serve in our military. They pay taxes and they generally work very hard and do jobs many citizens don't want. It is true that they are a concern in some industries (construction, meat packing, etc.) But nobody would come here and sign up for that work if corporations did not encourage it and government did not tolerate it. The immigrants themselves are not the problem. Corporatocracy is the problem. The oligarchs are the problem. Always have been in the USA.
I remember when free trade was always being discussed I think it was about the early 80s or so, I would use the analogy, we are in a dingy and we're going to catch a whale. I wish I was wrong. Yes please right wing gunmongers most of never worked a day in their life. By work I mean picking strawberries or beans and only making about 85 cents an hour in 100° weather. I did all those jobs graduated from high school but no criminal record and still couldn't get hired because I didn't have connections. The gun nuts that don't like to wear masks or get vaccinated they have not a clue what they will inherit with a robber baron as a dictator. They will be replaced and younger workers who work for half as much will get their jobs.
We need to bring a lot of manufacturing jobs back like textiles. Our homeless could do those kinds of jobs. Also of course we need to bring the pharmaceutical industry and the chip manufacturing industries back before we are dumped, which I think is in the cards. Overpopulation in reality and greed are our biggest problems. If humans could live in 350 ft apartments and road electric bicycles, and all the power plants ran on geothermal energy and the airplanes ran on biofuels, in my opinion there could be enough room on Earth for 10 billion people, but with global warming it looks like about 1 billion will be able to survive.