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The quotes from JD Vance and Kacsmaryk are grotesque! When the latter abhors the "erotic desires of liberated adults," be sure he means "sluts!" Only the thinnest veil separates us from "She made him do it" "She asked for it!" My Mom (perhaps famous here) used to relish recounting her friends who were mothers of boys, how nasty little girls were coming on to their pristine sons in elementary school! On FSTV Thom has referenced the ur-myth of Eve. I point out that "god" could have brought justice down on Eve, but, no: it cursed all females for all time. My point is, this is still with us!

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Not that this invalidates you Mmerose, But something happened when I was 17, that still puzzles me.

I lived under my uncles roof, he was a Southern Baptist Preacher and had his own church.

There was a gal, aged 15, named Glenda Faye, that I was attracted to. We dated, went to the drive in and made out in the back of the car ofmy friend Gene.

I had a serious case of "blue balls", but would not have sex. To reasons, maybe three. 1. I would not force myself, 2. I didn't want to risk getting her pregnant . 3. I didn't want to have to marry her at age 17 and ruin my life.4. My mother raised me to control myself, my urges.

Nether the less Glenda Faye, started telling her friends in church that we had sex.I asked my aunt why she would say such a thing. my aunt replied because that is what she wanted.

A couple of months later I joined the Service, was shipped overseas, spent a year remote, came back looked her up, went on a date again, this time she told me she had been "a bad girl", still didn't have sex with her (beware the honey trap, many men have fallen for it),later found out she was pregnant and found some dupe to marry her.

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