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It seems that preaching to the choir is creating an echo but not getting the message to many others. We are stewing in our own juices. Who are the "We" which will impact the outside world? Have "we" allowed the movers and shakers and power brokers to snow and anesthetize the masses and given them license to broadcast their propaganda freely far and wide while "we" are immobilized and silenced? How much noise can one person make while being muffled and muzzled? When we let one significant untruth go unnoticed, others spring up and take over like weeds in the field. Hope that there is some limit to the tolerance of the people and that reality will transcend the self-destructiveness of the fascists and fanatics..

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It is all about the money, follow the money. Money is power, power to keep and get more money. Only a few people care about the future, and survival of the species, much less their own descendants.

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California is following Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, ConocoPhillips, and Chevron, as well as the domestic oil industry's biggest lobby, the American Petroleum Institute. It demands the companies help fund recovery efforts related to California's extreme weather events, from rising sea levels to drought and wildfires, that have been supercharged by human-caused climate change.

"Oil and gas companies have privately known the truth for decades — that the burning of fossil fuels leads to climate change — but have fed us lies and mistruths to further their record-breaking profits at the expense of our environment. Enough is enough," said Rob Bonta, California's attorney general.

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I hope California succeeds I believe it was Exxon in 1974 that commissioned the study https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

Earth's atmosphere now has 416 parts of Carbon Dioxide for every million parts of air. What does this number mean? Earth's global average temperature is 2.1℉ hotter than it was in 1880

They can't help themselves, The employees, board, shareholders and exec's are on a treadmill, if they stop they get thrown off, and lose their income and status.

Despite our mumblings and grumblings, people live for today and the hell with the morrow.

Lenin knew human nature when he postulated the capitalist, hanging and rope meme. Only it is just not the capitalists it is human nature.

If there was an actually successful program to convert to clean energy, what do you think the denizens of Kentucky, WVA, Texas and Oklahoma would do, in the face of losing their jobs? Celebrate?

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It's also an economic and national security issue. Saudi Arabia, the same countr that Thom reports has an“Oil Demand Sustainability Programme (ODSP),” reaching out to poor countries, particularly in Africa, to encourage them to expand their use of oil to power transportation, housing, and electricity, has been undermining our economy and national security since 1973. Owns our largest oil refineries. Controls domestic oil companies like Exxon.

Trump, Saudi/Russia manipulated OPEC to limit production and caused the inflation, funded the war in Ukraine, etc.

We should sue for price fixing and price gouging to recoup our losses. They owe us trillions.

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Nov 29, 2023·edited Nov 29, 2023

We are not dependent on Saudi or Arabian oil, We export more than we produce. So the question is why are we kissing ass with MSB and the supporters of Terror, like the UAE and Qatar, Why do we spend our money, protecting the Arabian sea. Not for our benefit, not really.

The question was rhetorical, Exxon, BP, Shell etc are protecting their profits, because the profitability of those companies depends on international oil trade.. As I said we are oil independent, and the petroleum cabal, exports oil for profit, forcing us to make up the difference by importing oil, and that produces insane profits for domestic refineries. which are owned by Texaco, and Exxon and other petroleum countries.

During WWII my fathers family moved to Pt Neches Texas to work in the refineries being built to support the war. My mother too as Dad was a Marine in the Pacific.

We lived in company housing, still being built, just outside the gates of Texaco, my mother got a job with Gulf oil. My Dad's family stayed, Dad came home and Mom followed. Dad's youngest brother died in 1964 from Hodgkins disease, he was a refinery field worker and constantly exposed to benzine.

Everyone one of his nephews and nieces children that stayed, died of cancer, if not then their offspring.. they would have fared no better if they stayed in Crossett,AR Cancer Capital of America, now owned by the Koch's Georgia Pacific Company

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Exxon, BP, Shell etc are protecting their profits through price fixing by OPEC. Exxon is controlled by Saudi.

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"If there was an actually successful program to convert to clean energy, what do you think the denizens of Kentucky, WVA, Texas and Oklahoma would do, in the face of losing their jobs? Celebrate?" Ongoing. https://clean-energy.thebusinessdownload.com/inflation-reduction-act-charges-up-battery-belt-with-factories/?fbclid=IwAR34ejWut64gEcoqf_wOzjOcab9BnjJ7D3hK6ZKCw87Zdw5nnZ2gjAi9ZL0

We had a terrific coal degasification program that was killed by the Reagan administration.

I was somewhat involved in DOL/OSHA/MSHA rulemaking. If you stick a pipe in a mine, methane can be titrated. No need for miners. No shipping coal. That methane can be used on site to turn turbines to make electricity. Any pollution can be captured and buried. DOE has been following this for years. Had I been Manchin, on a governmental and personal level I would have been all over it, but he resisted. Also did not take advantage of the Marcellus shale that underlies most of the state as he views natural gas as the natural enemy of coal.

Another variation on that theme is turning pollution into energy.

I heard cases in Appalachia. Places like Grundy, VA, Pikeville, KY, and Lewisburg WVA, turned the economy through investments in education - medical schools in Pikeville and Lewisburg and Appalachian School of Law in Grundy. Tens of thousands of jobs. Became regional medical centers. Pikeville is also one of the engineering wonders of the world.

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Nov 29, 2023·edited Nov 29, 2023

Great response Daniel.

As regards liquification of coal. Back in the 70's and early 80's there was a pilot facility set up in North Ft Lewis, WA. It is separated from the main base by a road and RR tracks.

Fully operational and successful, it proved the viability, run by Pittsburg Minining and Manufacturing through a subsidiary.

And you are correct no sooner did Reagan settled in did his government cancel the program. I've seen their shallow excuses, all poppy cock propaganda and lies, like everything else that he Plutocrats defecate.

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Nov 29, 2023·edited Nov 29, 2023

While this is aggravating, the COP in Dubai will not have that much effect on global warming. The sad fact is that there are demographic and economic factors that will make timely action quite unlikely. First, the earth can support only about 2 billion people at most, SUSTAINABLY (with 100% recycling) - so there are 6 billion of us above that level, which guarantees continued degradation of the planet. Second, there are 1 billion existing cars and trucks that burn fossil fuels, and there is not enough money or materials to replace them with electric vehicles - this is a problem that should have been dealt with a generation ago, but wasn't. Third, there are significant problems with replacement technologies - apparently the companies working on modular nuclear power plants to replace decommissioned coal and gas fired generating plants have stopped their work because funding is limited and the numbers don't work for them anymore. We need Manhattan Project levels of government research into basic energy materials, and even more important, major basic research in scaling up the experimental processes for mitigating and sequestering CO2 and methane as they appear, as we did for sulfur dioxide in emissions from power plants. And we have to hope that James Hansen is wrong in his latest paper..... Reality may be a bitch, but we do have to deal with it.

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We need to make a solar shield and put about 1/15 of the Earth in the shade also. In order to reduce human suffering.

To cause human suffering is to serve evil. With no conscience, the right has no problem with it. Being raised as a narcissistic animal has its good points for them-selves, screw everyone else. Their mothers, their fathers, their sibling's, their children, they're great-grandchildren and their pets, so why would they care about their neighbor?

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Nov 29, 2023·edited Nov 29, 2023

A solar shield does not have to be that large. Shine a light on your hand, and check the shadow it casts, now move your hand away from the wall or surface, keeping the light source at the same distance from the hand, and the shadow grows larger.

But that brings up another problem. If the shield is in a geosynchronous orbit like GPS and Communication satellites, that part of the planet will be in perpetual shadow and that would adversely affect vegetation, but would cool that portion of the earth under it's shadow. If you wanted a shadow that moves as the "World Turns", then it has to be in very high orbit and in synch with the sun, and the sun is moving through the galaxy, so we are talking of solar synchonous orbit., and one that moves with the sun That way the shadow moves with the rotation of the Earth., like an eclipse.

Or do I have that wrong, just a thought experiment.

Edit added: My hand raced against my brain, and I misspoke. I said keep your shadow, the same distance from your hand, I meant light source and corrected

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My expertise in the field is driving a truck. It is thoroughly lacking a lot of education. I think we need to put the equator in the shade to get the most advantage out of it? Those people could use a little bit of shade down there, I bet their trees would still grow back?

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Our political parties are handmaids of (among other things) Exxon Mobil, BP and Shell. Exxon Mobil is, among other things, totally responsible for the situation in Venezuela, because Hugo Chavez had the cajones to actually believe that Venezuela oil, belong to Venezuela. BP was responsible for the Deep Horizon oil disaster, yet Obama put them in charge of the Coast Guard clean up

Jimmy Carter, bless his heart, put solar panels on the White House, and Reagan took them down, yet neither Clinton, Obama and Biden has thought to put them back up again. (The idea of a Republican putting them up is far fetched.

The problem of course is money in politics, and for that there is no solution as I can see, so it is a difficulty not a problem. Problems have solutions, and I see none. Difficulties do not.

The only solution is a miracle where Democrats have a veto proof majority and the Presidency, but that would expose the Democrats, which I seriously doubt, without the Republicans they have no one to blame for inaction.

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We need the largest producers to be shamed!

I am surprised there has never been an Internation Court set up solely for prosecuting major polluters. This should have been done years ago.

BIG money!!!! I hate seeing our world dying.

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The UAE and others United Against Earth like the GOP and their Grand Oil Profiteers are presumably hoping and praying that something is going to spare them from this devastation of their own making. Seems as though they don't realize they inhabit the same dying planet as the rest of us - no one is coming to save them either. Their greed blinds them to the hot winds of death that are eager to consume all of life, without bias. If they are to be the only oversight of their own industry's murderous products, libertarians will be thrilled to the bone - which will be the only remnants of an ideology of suicide.

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Yeah, but the profiteers will be able to afford to avoid climate change's effects better and for much longer than most of us, so they figure they're ahead of the game. Of course, concern for other people and other generations and this planet's sustainability is not very high on their list of priorities.

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Remember: in the future methane releases will be considered a Crime Against Humanity. Of course by then we well may be past 'the tipping point'. If you can, buy an EV. Eat less meat. And don't fly to the Petro-States to sabotage shaking carbon from the energy stream. I'm looking at you lobbyists.

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Swan: We are past the tipping point and it is irreversible, the tipping point was reached years ago when it past 350 parts per million Today Earth's atmosphere now has 416 parts of Carbon Dioxide for every million parts of air. What does this number mean? Earth's global average temperature is 2.1℉ hotter than it was in 1880. And carbon dioxide is only half of the problem, as you point out there is methane, and as the Earth warms, ice melts and the tundra defrosts all of the methane trapped is release, and the methane trapped in methane hydrates in the arctic and Bering sea, melts and releases their payload.

Siberia is already exploding, huge pockets of methane, have been releasedand blow out huge, and I mean huge craters in Siberia.

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I really don't want to be nitpicking, but how does one remember the future?

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Wow these Oil and Gas Corporations are so entitled to getting big bucks just to destroy the environment . They are pushing the ruination of our world at a time we might expect them to wake up

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But the addiction to their own greed allows no truth to enter . No reality to the destruction unleashed by their selfish actions and attempts to disguise their intentions will work . The world is aware, time is running out and they are blocking any possible path to recover sanity.

People are dying , but not the white , wealthy barons .

No women , children and the poorest

Citizens of the earth are dying and will die first .

What these corporations don’t get is they too will be killed by their own actions . So will their families and children . They will be surrounded by their vast wealth which will not protect them from themselves.

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Personally I am sick of all these meeting which cost a fortune and end up with not many solutions. How do all these people get to these conferences......ah I know bicycles!

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Please fix the audio function. The current voice concludes every report by reading letter by letter, number by number, and slash by slash, the link notation of the article. Can't you insert a stop command so I don't have to listen to that babble while my hands are in the dish water?

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This is a Substack function over which I have no control. They do listen to their readers. You may want to drop a note to support@substack.com.

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Well that's a depressing thought!

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Ironic waste of time. How about a big solar, wind geothermal conference to plan a switch to a better future. Stop trying to reduce fossil fuel consumption and focus on all the alternatives. Let the fossil fuel industry die and let’s move on. Generally people are trapped in the existing energy systems. This shouldn’t be a zero sum game. Everyone’s life is at stake. Even the wealthy will suffer eventually.

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Nov 30, 2023·edited Nov 30, 2023

Interesting on another level to hold this event in Dubai. That area is at great risk due to heat and sea level rise, yet the venue is very eco-friendly with futuristic architecture. I hope all that soaks-in while they are there.

Until we get over the big lie that we can have it all by using it all, there will be an audience for the lobby groups. I do believe that we can and are inventing our way forward. It's not just ideas, the completed projects are up and running. There are all kinds of them, but solar is going to be at the top. Wind, waves, geo-thermal and the sun---it's free, baby! Upgrade the grids, conserve, and recycle. There are even great ways to use the old mines, pipes, and drilling tech.

I'm hopeful, but there is no getting around the fact the damage is just beginning. We are in for heartbreak that will touch those 70,000 just like the rest of us.

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Homo Sapiens needs a retooling.

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I'd like to see an analysis, comparison, and then plan of action to curb fossil-fuel emissions by the military of all nations, especially that of the West. Ccan we expect to find that here in the coming days?

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Do you really think that the military would even be allowed to do this? Money is the problem. The US goes around bombing whichever nation it wants, how much pollution comes from wars is the question. What do you think tanks/fighter jets etc run on?

The best thing to happen is for oil to run out but something else equally polluting will take it's place.

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