I am a cradle Catholic who isn’t happy with the political activities of our hierarchy. Despite their efforts to act as ward heelers for Republicans, there are quite a few of us who are Democrats we don’t agree with the hierarchy’s attempts to practice medicine without licenses or to forbid women from decisions on their own fertility. The…
I am a cradle Catholic who isn’t happy with the political activities of our hierarchy. Despite their efforts to act as ward heelers for Republicans, there are quite a few of us who are Democrats we don’t agree with the hierarchy’s attempts to practice medicine without licenses or to forbid women from decisions on their own fertility. They behave as though they haven’t lost their moral authority with concealing their own abusers. I don’t agree with their obsession with pelvic issues, although I do support their efforts to help migrants. I don’t like Archbishop Sample’s gutting Hispanic ministry in Portland.
Other countries do have Catholic politicians who vote in support of legality of abortion and contraception without the church making a big issue of it. It’s only the American hierarchy and GQP pols with the culture war obsessions who do this. I also don’t agree with the Opus Dei members and cooperators who are providing money and power to the Christian Nationalists. They truly have forgotten what Jesus was all about.
The bishops have unfortunately decided that religious freedom to them means the government has to accommodate them. Five of the six right wing SCOTUS justices are Catholic, Gorsuch is a former Catholic turned Episcopalian, but don’t forget
Justice Sotomayor is Catholic too, and she and I don’t support the majority’s damaging decisions.
The Catholic church has it in it's DNA since Charlemagne plucked a Catholic priest and made him Pope, to crown him as Emperor. Millions have been tortured, racked, burned, hung and slaughtered in the name of Jesus by this cult.
BTW I too was a Catholic, a Knighot of Collumbus, a trad rad member of Catholic Truth, and a subscriber to the Wanderer.
I can see it happening too. The Evangelicals would think the Catholics weren’t Christians, so they would view it as a duty to suppress Catholicism. Catholics are Christians, so are the Eastern and Asian Orthodox Churches.
Within the Catholic Church, there are groups that still reject the ecumenicism and reform of the '60s. I know people who attend the Latin mass, observe the old rules about meatless Friday, I had friends who were French Canadian, who refused recognize the Roman version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Lefebvre
Several variations on the theme. In this hemisphere wars for and against liberation theology. The priests that ran the Sandinistas in Nicaragua were Marxists.
Domestically there is a group that calls itself "Catholic" but is not recognized by Rome, the "National" or the "Old" Catholic Church. The "Old" Santa Barbara Church may/may not actually be more Santeria than Catholic. Internationally there are several "national" official churches. BTW Santa Barbara was decanonized by the Roman Catholic Church, and in her Santeria "path" is Chango or Shango, Santeria god of war.
We had a visible sect that wore Tony Alamo jackets. He called himself Catholic but ran the Pentecostal Alamo Christian Foundation with his wife, Susan, in 1969. The organization is now known as Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and was based in Dyer, Arkansas. Alamo was known for his abusive behavior towards his followers and was convicted of 10 counts of child rape in 2009. He was sentenced to 175 years in prison and died there in May 2017.
I heard of Tony Alamo, his expensive celebrity jackets, and his sexual abuse. I am familiar with the trads and they detest Pope Francis so much they want to start a schism. There are some trads in communion with Rome, others who have sort of disaffiliated themselves (like the Society of St. Pius X.) Pope John Paul II excommunicated Marcel Lefebvre in 1988 when the Pope expressly forbade Lefebvre from consecrating bishops, and Lefebvre went ahead and did it any way. Then, there are people to the right of SSPX who belong to various sedevacantist groups, like Mel Gibson. They have their ow chapels and follow different “leaders.” I have thought Carlo Viganò might join one of these groups now that he is excommunicated by his own actions.
I was raised as a Vatican II Catholic and don’t apologize for it. I am not nostalgic for the Latin Mass, although I do know some Latin hymns we sing some times for Mass. I wouldn’t mind attending a Spanish language Mass because I could follow it too.
When I was a trad Catholic. I sang in the Church choir, myself and the organist would sing Latin hymns, I also attended "underground" masses conducted by an old retired priest in Latin, and we waged a guerilla war against Archbishop Hunthausen of Seattle.
I belonged to Catholic Truth, we received the Wanderer, a newspaper put out by retired nuns and it called John XXIII the anti Christ and Pope John Paul and antiPope.
Once upon a time, I was the lawyer for the "Blue Army" and I am not even Catholic. I think Catholic Charities is the greatest, but there is a lot of institutionalized paranoia. The Jesuits were persecuted by the Dominicans during the Inquisition. Some priests were cleansed by fire, as if they were heretics. As recently as this year, Francis excommunicated bishops. You'd think they'd have rabbit ears for groups like Christian Truth, let alone the "old" Catholics. Domini, Domini.
The Wanderer is published by one branch of the Matt family. It was originally a newspaper published in German for German speaking Catholics, but after use of German was discouraged in World War I, it started publishing in English. After Vatican II, one of the Matt brothers sided with Vatican II reforms and he continued to publish the Wanderer, which is ultra conservative. The other brother strongly disagreed with Vatican II and started publishing a rival paper called the Remnant. Both papers are still in print and have subscribers.
I’ve done some reading of my own. The Wanderer is popular with trads still in the churc, and the Remnan with trads whole have broken with Rome. My own preference is for National Catholic Reporter.
I am a cradle Catholic who isn’t happy with the political activities of our hierarchy. Despite their efforts to act as ward heelers for Republicans, there are quite a few of us who are Democrats we don’t agree with the hierarchy’s attempts to practice medicine without licenses or to forbid women from decisions on their own fertility. They behave as though they haven’t lost their moral authority with concealing their own abusers. I don’t agree with their obsession with pelvic issues, although I do support their efforts to help migrants. I don’t like Archbishop Sample’s gutting Hispanic ministry in Portland.
Other countries do have Catholic politicians who vote in support of legality of abortion and contraception without the church making a big issue of it. It’s only the American hierarchy and GQP pols with the culture war obsessions who do this. I also don’t agree with the Opus Dei members and cooperators who are providing money and power to the Christian Nationalists. They truly have forgotten what Jesus was all about.
The bishops have unfortunately decided that religious freedom to them means the government has to accommodate them. Five of the six right wing SCOTUS justices are Catholic, Gorsuch is a former Catholic turned Episcopalian, but don’t forget
Justice Sotomayor is Catholic too, and she and I don’t support the majority’s damaging decisions.
The Catholic church has it in it's DNA since Charlemagne plucked a Catholic priest and made him Pope, to crown him as Emperor. Millions have been tortured, racked, burned, hung and slaughtered in the name of Jesus by this cult.
BTW I too was a Catholic, a Knighot of Collumbus, a trad rad member of Catholic Truth, and a subscriber to the Wanderer.
I can see the evangelicals and catholics going to war in the future.
I can see it happening too. The Evangelicals would think the Catholics weren’t Christians, so they would view it as a duty to suppress Catholicism. Catholics are Christians, so are the Eastern and Asian Orthodox Churches.
It will happen as they fight to determine who is going to be primacy in the theocracy.
Within the Catholic Church, there are groups that still reject the ecumenicism and reform of the '60s. I know people who attend the Latin mass, observe the old rules about meatless Friday, I had friends who were French Canadian, who refused recognize the Roman version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Lefebvre
Several variations on the theme. In this hemisphere wars for and against liberation theology. The priests that ran the Sandinistas in Nicaragua were Marxists.
Domestically there is a group that calls itself "Catholic" but is not recognized by Rome, the "National" or the "Old" Catholic Church. The "Old" Santa Barbara Church may/may not actually be more Santeria than Catholic. Internationally there are several "national" official churches. BTW Santa Barbara was decanonized by the Roman Catholic Church, and in her Santeria "path" is Chango or Shango, Santeria god of war.
We had a visible sect that wore Tony Alamo jackets. He called himself Catholic but ran the Pentecostal Alamo Christian Foundation with his wife, Susan, in 1969. The organization is now known as Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and was based in Dyer, Arkansas. Alamo was known for his abusive behavior towards his followers and was convicted of 10 counts of child rape in 2009. He was sentenced to 175 years in prison and died there in May 2017.
I heard of Tony Alamo, his expensive celebrity jackets, and his sexual abuse. I am familiar with the trads and they detest Pope Francis so much they want to start a schism. There are some trads in communion with Rome, others who have sort of disaffiliated themselves (like the Society of St. Pius X.) Pope John Paul II excommunicated Marcel Lefebvre in 1988 when the Pope expressly forbade Lefebvre from consecrating bishops, and Lefebvre went ahead and did it any way. Then, there are people to the right of SSPX who belong to various sedevacantist groups, like Mel Gibson. They have their ow chapels and follow different “leaders.” I have thought Carlo Viganò might join one of these groups now that he is excommunicated by his own actions.
I was raised as a Vatican II Catholic and don’t apologize for it. I am not nostalgic for the Latin Mass, although I do know some Latin hymns we sing some times for Mass. I wouldn’t mind attending a Spanish language Mass because I could follow it too.
When I was a trad Catholic. I sang in the Church choir, myself and the organist would sing Latin hymns, I also attended "underground" masses conducted by an old retired priest in Latin, and we waged a guerilla war against Archbishop Hunthausen of Seattle.
I belonged to Catholic Truth, we received the Wanderer, a newspaper put out by retired nuns and it called John XXIII the anti Christ and Pope John Paul and antiPope.
Once upon a time, I was the lawyer for the "Blue Army" and I am not even Catholic. I think Catholic Charities is the greatest, but there is a lot of institutionalized paranoia. The Jesuits were persecuted by the Dominicans during the Inquisition. Some priests were cleansed by fire, as if they were heretics. As recently as this year, Francis excommunicated bishops. You'd think they'd have rabbit ears for groups like Christian Truth, let alone the "old" Catholics. Domini, Domini.
The Wanderer is published by one branch of the Matt family. It was originally a newspaper published in German for German speaking Catholics, but after use of German was discouraged in World War I, it started publishing in English. After Vatican II, one of the Matt brothers sided with Vatican II reforms and he continued to publish the Wanderer, which is ultra conservative. The other brother strongly disagreed with Vatican II and started publishing a rival paper called the Remnant. Both papers are still in print and have subscribers.
Wow, how do you know all of this. I and my friend use to sneak into the church on Sunday before mass and leave copies in the pew.
I’ve done some reading of my own. The Wanderer is popular with trads still in the churc, and the Remnan with trads whole have broken with Rome. My own preference is for National Catholic Reporter.